OK. Jerry is Done

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If you simplify it to that degree, you could be correct. But you can't simplify it to that degree, and resolve the question as to whether or not the failure to win another SB after XXX is due to Jerry. And in say, 1996, at 32 years of age I doubt Stephen had as much input as he does now, at age 53, so what happened in the late 1990's may not be the same as what's happening now.

Put it this way, if Stephen and McClay and Garrett all said this draft "We need to draft Vander Esch in the first round if he's there at 19" and Jerry said "Ok, let's do it", then in the simple way you put it, yes Jerry made the "final" decision. But if Vander Esch flops, who's responsible? Again, in the simplest terms, it's Jerry.

In that instance Jerry did nothing but rubber stamp the decision of Stephen, et al. So any failure of Vander Esch is due in actual circumstances to Stephen, et al, but Jerry will of course be "responsible" because as I learned in college "You can designate authority but you can't designate responsibility".

But you can't use such simplicity to discuss how and why the Cowboys haven't been back to the SB or had much playoff success in the last 22 years, there's just more to it than who makes the "final" decision...
That’s right. That’s the role Jerry has always taken and it has better results usually with better influence. Some fans are just assuming that influence is coming more from Stephen.
 

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great point. I agree. Jerry is still running the business side..ie promotional stuff..sales,marketing the team. That's always been his forte. The man sure knows how to sell a product.Thats never changed. That's why I call him PT Barnum. Birds of a feather really. Stephen Jones is more of a behind the scenes guy and sticks to player moves etc. He is a good mix with JG and MCclay. I like where the team is headed,altho I think behind closed doors,JG may be on a short leash this year.
This is a much sounder assumption crediting Will and Jason with their influence since we can date the better decisions to when they became involved.
 

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The problem is the NFL is forever changing . You have to adapt along with it , or be left behind. Of course in Business you want an EGO and Balls ... But this is an NFL team and it take more then that. If Jerry wants to run the Business side of the team liek that awesome, he has shown that he is one of the best. Proof is the value of the Cowboys and everything Jerry touches. Jerry says all the time that the Cowboys are a family business. I agree and disagree with him some what.

With family members in all the top positions in the team no one is held accountable. In the real world a GM or other positions they are . Its either perform or die. You cant fire the GM when he is the owner. So it leaves room for the same mistakes over and over. You know in past 23 years there is only 3 NFC team to not be in a conference Championship game , Cowboys , Commanders and Lions. two of those teams have meddling owners.

The Cowboys have a roster built since 2014 that could of went to the Super Bowl EASY. You can blame Garret all you want , but he is only a small problem and honestly no one knows for sure how much. Watching All or Nothing , showed that when Jerry speaks everyone just nods and agrees.
Pretty well said.
 

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:facepalm:.......if JERRY won those three SB'S in the early 90's, why hasn't HE been able to win just ONE in the last 22 years?............here's a hint.....HE didn't put those SB teams together........he just happened to own the team that someone else build for him......long time fans already know that.
Yep and the reason we’re still in this position of Jerry trying to prove he can build a championship team without a HC like Jimmy because he didn’t recieve the credit he wanted for being a football guy. Tick tock...
 

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Stephen Jones does not run the Cowboys. Jerry Jones runs the Cowboys. Nothing gets done without the approval of Jerry. Stephen is an adviser and not a very good one considering his equally horrific track record.
We’ll see how much everyone likes Stephen with no better results. Some just want to believe Jerry’s passed the baton because they’re desperate for more hope. I get it. That’s fine. We all need something to believe in.

We’ve seen better personnel decisions and drafts made this era under Bill with no better results. Bill grave error. Not drafting an elite QB.

Even with the apparent better team building with Jason and Will in the War Room we’re still lacking that sustained elite QB. The mistake Tom and Jimmy didn’t make.
 

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We’ve seen better personnel decisions and drafts made this era under Bill with no better results

Bill brought in Bledsoe, who was a pretty good quarterback, who led the Pats to the SB. At the time Bledsoe was only 33, so he didn't need to draft a quarterback with a high draft pick.

Didn't work out, but at the time it was widely viewed as a good move.

Bill's health was never that good, though it wasn't noted as the reason for his retirement from the Cowboys, given past history it was probably a pretty big factor.

3 years is not normally long enough to build your own team, there are exceptions of course...
 

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Bill brought in Bledsoe, who was a pretty good quarterback, who led the Pats to the SB. At the time Bledsoe was only 33, so he didn't need to draft a quarterback with a high draft pick.

Didn't work out, but at the time it was widely viewed as a good move.

Bill's health was never that good, though it wasn't noted as the reason for his retirement from the Cowboys, given past history it was probably a pretty big factor.

3 years is not normally long enough to build your own team, there are exceptions of course...
First of all Bill was here 4 years not 3.

Bledsoe was brought in only after Testerverde didn’t work out and of course Quincy smoked out. Bledsoe was a last ditch move well past his prime much like Testerverde not a longe range plan.

We knew Bill wasn’t going to be here long but it obviously wasn’t his health as this is the first mention I’ve ever heard of that excuse as it was more the meddling of Jerry which ran Bill off just as he appeared to have found a QB in Romo.
 

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"Bill Parcells, 1992, age 50. Parcells had heart-bypass surgery during a coaching hiatus after winning the Super Bowl with the New York Giants before heading the New England Patriots"
After a two-year absence, the Giants returned to the playoffs in 1989 as NFC Eastern Division champions. In 1990 the team captured its second Lombardi Trophy with a dramatic 20-19 victory over the Buffalo Bills in Super Bowl XXV. Parcells, citing health concerns, left the sidelines for a two-year stint in television"

He may not have said he left Dallas due to his health, in part or in whole, but he did have heart problems...
 

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"Bill Parcells, 1992, age 50. Parcells had heart-bypass surgery during a coaching hiatus after winning the Super Bowl with the New York Giants before heading the New England Patriots"
After a two-year absence, the Giants returned to the playoffs in 1989 as NFC Eastern Division champions. In 1990 the team captured its second Lombardi Trophy with a dramatic 20-19 victory over the Buffalo Bills in Super Bowl XXV. Parcells, citing health concerns, left the sidelines for a two-year stint in television"

He may not have said he left Dallas due to his health, in part or in whole, but he did have heart problems...
I had open heart surgery 4 years ago and feel like a new man. At least until I need another valve replacement. They last 10-20 years if you don’t die from a blood clod causing a stroke. Bypasses though usually last rest of life.

Again, your really reaching on Bill leaving due to health issues. Lol
 

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"Bill Parcells, 1992, age 50. Parcells had heart-bypass surgery during a coaching hiatus after winning the Super Bowl with the New York Giants before heading the New England Patriots"
After a two-year absence, the Giants returned to the playoffs in 1989 as NFC Eastern Division champions. In 1990 the team captured its second Lombardi Trophy with a dramatic 20-19 victory over the Buffalo Bills in Super Bowl XXV. Parcells, citing health concerns, left the sidelines for a two-year stint in television"

He may not have said he left Dallas due to his health, in part or in whole, but he did have heart problems...
 

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That’s unrelated to his Cowboys tenure your using to support your speculation. Sorry.. nice try.
 

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Didn't say it was the whole reason, just a factor...

"In his interview with Mike and The Mad Dog, Bill Parcells stated that his reason for stepping down as head coach was not about the losses.
It was more about all of the long hours he no longer could put in, because he is getting older."
 

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That’s unrelated to his Cowboys tenure your using to support your speculation. Sorry.. nice try.

No it's not. The NFL is a tough grind for coaches as well as players, if you choose not to believe he left partly because of health, fine.

But it's true, nonetheless...
 
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