Oline has allowed 6 sacks so far in practice today

Alexander

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Apparently you have no clue what I base my opinions on, so please don't speak for me.

This is what I will take as you being incapable of refuting any point I was trying to make. I asked a simple question before if there were other reports about it being significantly better from anyone else other than Rafael Vela and you chose to cling to the "light year's" comment and provide nothing else.

Off you go.
 

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This is what I will take as you being incapable of refuting any point I was trying to make. I asked a simple question before if there were other reports about it being significantly better from anyone else other than Rafael Vela and you chose to cling to the "light year's" comment and provide nothing else.

Off you go.

It's not my fault you haven't followed WG's practice tweets threads every single day after practice. It's also not my fault that you didn't watch the blue-white scrimmage. So please don't guise your ignorance by oddly harping on one overly-positive report.
 

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It's not my fault you haven't followed WG's practice tweets threads every single day after practice. It's also not my fault that you didn't watch the blue-white scrimmage. So please don't guise your ignorance by oddly harping on one overly-positive report.

I am harping on a positive report? You are hanging everything you have on it.

And you do not know what I have followed via Twitter or anything else--"so please don't speak for me".Two can play your juvenile game if you like.
 

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I get a kick out of the Nervous Nellies. To a point. Certainly wouldn't want to be in a boardroom with any of them.
 

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Yesterday wasn't a good day for Smith and a couple other guys but from all accounts Leary played well as did Arkin.

It's not like we're getting these "The Cowboys offensive line gave up 6 sacks today" reports every day... Because we're not.

Also no one touched upon the positive reports today about the offensive line creating some running lanes.

Maybe it's time to start a thread, "Cowboys defense can't stop the run".
 

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I get a kick out of the Nervous Nellies. To a point. Certainly wouldn't want to be in a boardroom with any of them.

You have to admit the offensive line is a legitimate concern. It's not like this is some fabricated problem area where people are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

We set franchise records for futility with our running game last year and the only true upgrade we made was at center. So yeah I'm nervous.
 

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I am harping on a positive report? You are hanging everything you have on it.

And you do not know what I have followed via Twitter or anything else--"so please don't speak for me".Two can play your juvenile game if you like.

The point is, if you track my posting history, you'd understand that my enthusiasm is not based on a single Vela report. I was quite high on Frederick pre-draft, though everyone on this board told me he isn't a "scheme fit." I practically have a mancrush on Smith, and I've been high on Leary's potential for quite some time. I've also always thought Arkin was intriguing because, if developed, he's a perfect fit for a ZBS, and I think it's funny how people are stunned by the fact that it took a while for him develop considering everyone knew he was a project when drafted. Free I could do without--in fact, I'm quite high on Parnell's performance last season. I hate Mack, though I thought Livings was serviceable (if also easily replaceable).

The point is, I have a basis and a history to support all my opinions on this line, so please don't act like I've somehow picked my opinions from thin air. Your only supports seems to be this line's performance last year--well, guess what chief, we've replaced then entire interior of the line with players drafted (or signed as a UFA) and developed by the Cowboys.
 

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You have to admit the offensive line is a legitimate concern. It's not like this is some fabricated problem area where people are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

We set franchise records for futility with our running game last year and the only true upgrade we made was at center. So yeah I'm nervous.


I do admit that improving the O-line is a concern. Perhaps the team's chief concern. But it is after all just one practice. And we are hearing some conflicting reports.

In the end, I'm inclined to think people could take a lesson from burm here. Outside of RS, I don't know that anyone has been a more vocal critic of this team's failings along the O-line. But as even he recognizes, one bad practice (if, in fact, it was as bad as reported -- again, we're getting conflicting reports) shouldn't cause anyone to get ready to jump ship.
 

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It will be better if Fred and Leary are starters on opening day. It will be questionable if Bern goes down and they have to go with Fred, Arkin, or a FA at guard.
 

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You have to admit the offensive line is a legitimate concern. It's not like this is some fabricated problem area where people are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

We set franchise records for futility with our running game last year and the only true upgrade we made was at center. So yeah I'm nervous.
I wouldn't really say that nervous is an accurate term. Most fans realized that it is a major problem and expect it to hold the offense back. It is not a question of if it's a problem, the question is how big the problem will be. Before injuries, upgrades were needed. After injuries the concern becomes fielding linemen that shouldn't he on a NFL roster. It can ruin the Cowboys season again, much like the dline. The trenches are still the problem.
 

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I do admit that improving the O-line is a concern. Perhaps the team's chief concern. But it is after all just one practice. And we are hearing some conflicting reports.

In the end, I'm inclined to think people could take a lesson from burm here. Outside of RS, I don't know that anyone has been a more vocal critic of this team's failings along the O-line. But as even he recognizes, one bad practice (if, in fact, it was as bad as reported -- again, we're getting conflicting reports) shouldn't cause anyone to get ready to jump ship.

I agree. One practice shouldn't be the cause for overreaction.

For me I'm more concerned with all the injuries. Since there's not as much talent on the line as we'd all like, I thought a little continuity would help. But thanks to all the injuries these guys can't even work together to build that rapport as a unit.

It's a bit of a double whammy and I'm sure that's why we're seeing some of these ugly practices.
 

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This o-line stuff is very depressing. To me it was the most pressing need the last two seasons and of course we didn't really do a whole lot to try and make this unit better.
 

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Let's look at who was projected to start before camp. Everyone pretty much had Free, unknown, Frederick, Leary, Smith. As of right now everyone one of those guys will likely be in the starting lineup. Either Arkin, Costa or Bernadeau will fill the hole at RG unless they do the unthinkable and put Costa at C and Frederick at G. I think that OL can be significantly better than the one of a year ago.

As far as the camp reports have gone, it has pretty much been:

Smith - looks good but has trouble with Ware. It's not like he is the only one that struggles with Ware. I have some concerns, but not freaking out since SMith did so well the second half of last year.

Free - Looks to be much better than he was a year ago, all reports have indicated improvement

Frederick - most reports say he looks like a vet out there, making the calls, good rapport with Romo

Arkin - looks improved in ability to anchor, he and Free are handling twists and stunts well, gets to second level and out on screens

Leary - Looks much improved, knows what he should be doing, very stout at the point

That pretty much has been the consensus of the reporting. So for the most part we are freaking out about backups and guys most of us wanted out of the lineup like Livings. Maybe Bernadeau comes in and pushes for a G spot. I think Costa is solid depth. We do need a third T for sure, I don't think we have anyone that is worthy of being counted on. Maybe Bell is the answer there once he is in shape.

We still have 5 weeks left in camp to sort this out. We can still pursue a vet like Waters or Moore or Hangartner. It's too early to be panicking.
 

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It's too early to be panicking.

The flailing Oline play around Dallas has been going on for years, Jerry Jones figures Dallas can get lucky on the Oline as he repeatedly refuses to address the problem fully.

The main problem is that everyone else in the NFL from Coaches, Commentators, Players and Fans alike all know the Cowboys weakest link year in year out.

To beat Dallas attack the obvious weak link, especially when the season is on the line, ending our year again which has become very frustrating.
 

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I don't even understand what everyone is overreacting to. We all knew O-line was going to be our weak point again this year so why does it come as any surprise? We had a tanking defensive as much as our O-line last year and still managed to go 8-8.
 

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The flailing Oline play around Dallas has been going on for years, Jerry Jones figures Dallas can get lucky on the Oline as he repeatedly refuses to address the problem fully.

The main problem is that everyone else in the NFL from Coaches, Commentators, Players and Fans alike all know the Cowboys weakest link year in year out.

To beat Dallas attack the obvious weak link, especially when the season is on the line, ending our year again which has become very frustrating.

Huh?

Only the ledge-jumpers are overreacting to yesterday's training camp... And that's due to the sacks that were given up.

Of course there is total disregard to the parts about how well the line blocked yesterday for the running game.

There is equal disregard for frequent tweets and articles talking about the positive play by Free, Arkin, Leary and Frederick.

It's more fun to talk about the total offensive line failure since 1904 and how the Cowboys haven't put any resources into it over the past decade.
 
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