Oline has allowed 6 sacks so far in practice today

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Huh?

Only the ledge-jumpers are overreacting to yesterday's training camp... And that's due to the sacks that were given up.

Of course there is total disregard to the parts about how well the line blocked yesterday for the running game.

There is equal disregard for frequent tweets and articles talking about the positive play by Free, Arkin, Leary and Frederick.

It's more fun to talk about the total offensive line failure since 1904 and how the Cowboys haven't put any resources into it over the past decade.

they have invested resources with the likes of Livings, Bernardau and Free, not exactly top talent in my humble opinion.
 

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I wouldn't really say that nervous is an accurate term. Most fans realized that it is a major problem and expect it to hold the offense back. It is not a question of if it's a problem, the question is how big the problem will be. Before injuries, upgrades were needed. After injuries the concern becomes fielding linemen that shouldn't he on a NFL roster. It can ruin the Cowboys season again, much like the dline. The trenches are still the problem.

I agree with this. Though, to be fair, when you're down three players at any position group, you're going to be in the position of fielding players who aren't NFL starting-caliber. This is the case no matter what you feel about our original starters.
 

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they have invested resources with the likes of Livings, Bernardau and Free, not exactly top talent in my humble opinion.

Free has done well in camp so far.

The other two? We don't even know if either will be a starter.
 

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guys like Arkin and Leary will start by default. Not a managerial move, we don't have a choice.

That's not necessarily true.

Like Broaddus has said that the Cowboys brain trust was pulling for Leary starting over Livings since camp opened.

And Bern could still be the starter at RG.
 

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There's got to be a team out there with a good backup guard that needs a receiver or something we have a lot of.

I don't play Romo this week, period. Let Orton take a pounding in his place.
 

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That's not necessarily true.

Like Broaddus has said that the Cowboys brain trust was pulling for Leary starting over Livings since camp opened.

And Bern could still be the starter at RG.

OK, so we planned for this? Right. No, I'm not buying it. We could use Costa at Guard which is not necessarily bad IMO.
 

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OK, so we planned for this? Right. No, I'm not buying it. We could use Costa at Guard which is not necessarily bad IMO.

Planned for Leary to make a competitive push at LG?

Yes it was planned.
 

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Vela >> Pessimist_cowboy

ive been at almost every practice . i live in so cal and i can tell you first hand the cowboys are worried about the OL. Mickey spangnola said they are really panicking and stephen jones said it on his radio show today . It has not been better this year so far. Im a diehard cowboy fan . Not a troll at all but i tell it like it is. Our OLINE sucks and until we fix our run game wont improve from 31st.

Vela:

Ronald Leary took his spot as starting left guard, with Nate Livings out. Leary was solid in pass protection, part of a line which again gave Tony Romo time to stand in the pocket and work his progressions. With the exception of a defensive red zone drill, where the offense tried unsuccessfully to move the ball forward from its own 2-yard line, the line did its job.

It also started creating more run creases for the back, both to the left and right, and inside and outside.

I heard earlier this week, before Nate Livings' knee woes, that the front office hoped that Leary would win the left guard role. Leary is now running with the ones. With the other four starters, Smith, Frederick, Arkin and Free all working together from day one, the line is light years ahead of the '12 bunch, which did not get its projected starters on the field together until the last days of the preseason, and just as quickly lost them to injury.

That improved continuity is showing results.

Doug Free: He looks very settled into Bill Callahan's system, far more so than a year ago. He knows it so well now that he's mentoring all the backups at his spot and on his side of the line.....Free is not getting much correction on his technique, and he's getting better at creating a push on his edge every day. That's a continuation of his December '12 work, where Free started to excel in the run game. If he can keep his pass protection in sync with his run blocking, the RT spot should be solid.
 

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OK, so we planned for this? Right. No, I'm not buying it. We could use Costa at Guard which is not necessarily bad IMO.

Yes, Jerry gave Leary fifth round money because he didn't want Leary to eventually start. What are you even talking about? The Cowboy have been high on Leary for a while.
 

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One issue that is being overlooked is fatigue.

They have had about 9 OL available for most practices for 5 positions. That's not even enough for 2x depth.

They have had about 15 DL available for most practices for 4 positions. That's almost 4x deep.
 

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Panthers released Geoff Hangartner which comes as a surprise to his OL teammates.
 

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season will be same old same old . Talented offense , terrible Oline will get romo killed , Murray injured , no play action , no time for the deep ball , lead league in holding and false starts yada...yada

What did you think would happen when the team held on to Nate Livings and Benradeau as starters? They are both scrubs and now they are not even playing. We had chances to pick up quality vets in FA but sat back and did barely anything. Now we are trying to make things work with scrubs. Heck we even brought back the worst RT in the whole league last year. You simply can't squeeze blood out of a turnip. I don't know if Smith will even develop into the player we thought he would be. He is pretty much just average from everything I am hearing.
 

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One issue that is being overlooked is fatigue.

They have had about 9 OL available for most practices for 5 positions. That's not even enough for 2x depth.

They have had about 15 DL available for most practices for 4 positions. That's almost 4x deep.

Yeah, good idea.. lets look for some excuses to explain our horrible Oline.
 

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Ignore the issue in the off season - this is the result.

Bingo.. we will go the whole year with it and then barely address it in the draft and FA next year. There will be plenty of players to pick from in FA and we will have the money to get some decent talent, but we will stick with what we have because Jerry is the type of guy that doesn't like to give up on players. We like to keep them until they are practically worthless.. and pay them handsomely too.
 

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Hate to interrupt a good rant, but you're going to be thin at OG when your two starting OGs go down from the start of camp. If we'd replaced Livings and Bernardeau with two All Pro guards, and those guards were hurt, we'd be in the same boat we're in now.

And we haven't moved Costa into the lineup and slid Frederick over yet, either. We do have position flexibility we consciously put in place in case we need it.

I'll also throw out that I'm certain we didn't keep the OGs we've got on the roster because 'Jerry doesn't like to give up on players.' We went out and got the players Garrett and Callahan thought were a good system fit, and then they got hurt; both of them. Two training camps in a row. We're developing talent behind them, but, like every other team in the league, we don't go three-deep at every OL position.
 

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Almost all the picks came against Orton. If we lose Romo, we aren't winning anything anyway. Might as well just go with Tanney as #2.

Despite the sacks, the offense did move the ball in 1's v 1's and scored several TD's, so while the sacks are frustrating, the potential of this offense is being seen.

I would have felt better if the report said that the OL sucked wind and the Defense completely dominated today. Now, I'm stuck with the OL gave up 6 Sacks but the D gave up 6 TDs as well.


You can't win! LOL..........
 
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