Twitter: OLine trending in the right direction

[America's Cowboy]

It's called passing off.

I'm really trying hard to be respectful here.

I played on the Oline. Was an All State player. I know the Oline. Did you play on the Oline???

 

[America's Cowboy]

PFF ratings has its flaws for sure but their stats are more indicative of productivity than your eye test and comprehension.

Did you play on the Oline? I doubt any of those PFF wannabe nerds did, hence why they don't understand what they are watching half the time.

 

[BAT]

I played on the Oline. Was an All State player. I know the Oline. Did you play on the Oline???

Nope, never played OL.

But my brother and I played DL at D1 level. My brother actually played both ways so we worked on his combo blocking recognition, communication, punch technique and footwork a LOT.

And I coached peewee and HS for many years.

 

[ChuckA1]

If the offense eventually gets back to where it was last year, I could see Jerry trading for one dominant player on defense either at DT or MLB. That could transform the defense into an even more dominant force by the time the playoffs come around.

Can you really see the FO trading for a DT? The need is certainly there for a mean 1T so I sure hope you are correct

 

[America's Cowboy]

Nope, never played OL.

But my brother and I played DL at D1 level. My brother actually played both ways so we worked on his combo blocking recognition, communication, punch technique and footwork a LOT.

And I coached peewee and HS for many years.

With your experience, I find it puzzling how you fail to realize in the 1st gif how it was Tyler Smith's fault that DE got past him and got to Cooper Rush. It doesn't matter that the TE chipped the DE inside. That DE is still Tyler's responsibility.

Farniok and Biadasz were engaged by themselves with their own opponents.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Can you really see the FO trading for a DT? The need is certainly there for a mean 1T so I sure hope you are correct

They screwed up big time by cutting John Ridgeway and allowing the Commanders to pick him up.

 

[BAT]

With your experience, I find it puzzling how you fail to realize in the 1st gif how it was Tyler Smith's fault that DE got past him and got to Cooper Rush. It doesn't matter that the TE chipped the DE inside. That DE is still Tyler's responsibility.

Farniok and Biadasz were engaged by themselves with their own opponents.

It was Tyler's man but he was pushed inside, the interior OL and even RB should have seen and helped.

No one is denying Tyler is still raw and has a lot to improve but there is also no denying that the communication and recognition on left side is bad.

 

[America's Cowboy]

It was Tyler's man but he was pushed inside, the interior OL and even RB should have seen and helped.

No one is denying Tyler is still raw and has a lot to improve but there is also no denying that the communications and recognition on left side is bad.

How could Farniok have helped when he was engaged 1-on-1 with the DT?

The RB could not have helped because his job was to fake the handoff and run up the middle to find an open spot for a dump off underneath if needed.

Yes, the TE chipping the blitzing DE inward caught Tyler Smith off guard since Tyler was stepping outward to get in pass protection, but that DE was still Tyler's responsibility. You always protect your inside FIRST during pass protection because that is the quickest way to your QB.

 

[Starforever]

Tyler was caught off guard, due to Simi pushing the DE, and his momentum moving him further inside than expected. Once these guys have time together, they will be okay.

 

[BAT]

How could Farniok have helped when he was engaged 1-on-1 with the DT?

The RB could not have helped because his job was to fake the handoff and run up the middle to find an open spot for a dumb off underneath if needed.

Yes, the TE chipping the blitzing DE inward caught Tyler Smith off guard since Tyler was stepping outward to get in pass protection, but that DE was still Tyler's responsibility. You always protect your inside FIRST during pass protection because that is the quickest way to your QB.

I agree that the DE was Tyler Smith's primary responsibility but I'm just saying a more vet OL would have recognized and at least made an effort to help on the free rusher.

And the point remains, is that even with Tyler's poor technique and recognition he is still better than Farniok at LG because he is the more effective at run AND pass blocking.

Cowboys OL across the board are near elite as run blockers, that includes Farniok (and Biadasz).

Cowboys simply need to run more. Period.

But Farniok, even when his technique is perfect struggles vs power at POA when pass blocking. This is same issue that Biadasz has as well.

The best 5 OL are still:

Peters-Tyler-Biadasz-Zack-Steele

With Farniok at FB.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I agree that the DE was Tyler Smith's primary responsibility but I'm just saying a more vet OL would have recognized and at least made an effort to help on the free rusher.

And the point remains, is that even with Tyler's poor technique and recognition he is still better than Farniok at LG because he is the more effective at run AND pass blocking.

Cowboys OL across the board are near elite as run blockers, that includes Farniok (and Biadasz).

Cowboys simply need to run more. Period.

But Farniok, even when his technique is perfect struggles vs power at POA when pass blocking. This is same issue that Biadasz has as well.

The best 5 OL are still:

Peters-Tyler-Biadasz-Zack-Steele

With Farniok at FB.

Nope. Disagree, except for agreeing on running the ball.

Explain how any veteran Olineman could have helped Tyler Smith with each man responsible with which Dlineman prior to the snap? I'm curious to see what you're thinking or seeing that I'm not.

Farniok has held up very well against power rushes. He only got pushed backwards 1 time in pass protection simply because he stood up too high. The other 3 or 4 times DJ Reader eventually got past him was because Farniok was leaning forward too much while Reader was clearly grabbing Farniok's jersey in between his shoulders and pulling down, thus causing Farniok to fall off balance leaning forward while Reader then swept by him. Tricky veteran dirty play by Reader, but it was a learning experience for Farniok. Stay balance with legs bent and buttocks set down while you fight to keep from being grabbed and pulled forward.

Peters can be beat due to his oversize, age and stiffness by quicker and powerful DEs/LBs. What saves him much is his girth against slower edge rushers.

 

[blueblood70]

Farniok has played really well. Why would we want to start changing things up?

Farniok has been gaining valuable experience and we are able to evaluate him as he plays. That’s a win/win for the Cowboys.

Let’s see what the young guys can do. So far it’s good enough, and they will get better with time. I hope they let this play out and let Peters get back into game shape over the next several weeks.

Id like Biasdsz out farinok in at C

so short term

73-Peters-Farinok-martin-steele

Mcgovern comes back and see if he gets his spot back..

 

[DuncanIso]

Id like Biasdsz out farinok in at C

so short term

73-Peters-Farinok-martin-steele

Mcgovern comes back and see if he gets his spot back..

dont get all the #BiadaszHate

 

[ChuckA1]

Nope. Disagree, except for agreeing on running the ball.

Explain how any veteran Olineman could have helped Tyler Smith with each man responsible with which Dlineman prior to the snap? I'm curious to see what you're thinking or seeing that I'm not.

Farniok has held up very well against power rushes. He only got pushed backwards 1 time in pass protection simply because he stood up too high. The other 3 or 4 times DJ Reader eventually got past him was because Farniok was leaning forward too much while Reader was clearly grabbing Farniok's jersey in between his shoulders and pulling down, thus causing Farniok to fall off balance leaning forward while Reader then swept by him. Tricky veteran dirty play by Reader, but it was a learning experience for Farniok. Stay balance with legs bent and buttocks set down while you fight to keep from being grabbed and pulled forward.

Peters can be beat due to his oversize, age and stiffness by quicker and powerful DEs/LBs. What saves him much is his girth against slower edge rushers.

Do you think he'd be better at LG, leaving Smith at LT considering his age?

 

[America's Cowboy]

Do you think he'd be better at LG, leaving Smith at LT considering his age?

If you're asking about Peters, I have to say no to playing LG. At Peters' age, he seems too stiff to bend lower to play LG. Guards need to stay low to better handle bullrushes from big DT, plus to be more balanced and agile when needed to cross block, sweep or go to the second level to find a LB to block. You have to be quick on your feet and mobile to play Guard. I don't see Peters being able to do that very well due to his age and wear and tear. He's better staying at Tackle.

 

[blueblood70]

dont get all the #BiadaszHate

don't hate him but hes the weak link sees him far too often late on help& stretch zone, and hes getting pushed back into the pocket A LOT..hes good but again best 5 correct, let him be the swing g/C..i think Farniok at C might be better long term.

 

[Verdict]

Can you really see the FO trading for a DT? The need is certainly there for a mean 1T so I sure hope you are correct

Possibly. The Cowboys have kept their powder dry and have a little bit of cap room left.

Let’s say that this defense is very stingy but one player might turn them into the old Raven defense or something just shy of the 85 Bears defense. If Jerry thinks he can win a SB with that player, why wouldn’t he do it.

There will be a team that is “done” by the trade deadline who will be looking to get some salvage value on a player that they know they won’t resign. If the best they can do is a 3rd round comp pick for losing the player, why wouldn’t they take a late second for that same player?

If Jerry swings and misses he will end up with a 3rd round salvage value out of. that pick. Better yet trade a 3rd and a 5th for that same player. It really only costs the Cowboys a 5th because they net a 3rd round comp pick back.

 

[Verdict]

The Dallas defense better be up for the Philadelphia Eagles for about the next five seasons...

The Eagles is not the team to be worried about, in my opinion. Hurts will not have time to hang out in the pocket and smoke a cigarette when they play the Cowboys. If Hurts beats the Cowboys, it will be due to the Cowboys letting him run wild on broken down plays.

 

[BAT]

Id like Biasdsz out farinok in at C

so short term

73-Peters-Farinok-martin-steele

Mcgovern comes back and see if he gets his spot back..

Is Farniok better with the line calls than Biadasz?

Biadasz is a former Rimington winner and very experienced center.

Because their run blocking ability is near equal and they both struggle at POA vs the bigger DTs in pass pro.

All things being equal, I'd stick with Biadasz in the pivot.

 

[BAT]

Possibly. The Cowboys have kept their powder dry and have a little bit of cap room left.

Let’s say that this defense is very stingy but one player might turn them into the old Raven defense or something just shy of the 85 Bears defense. If Jerry thinks he can win a SB with that player, why wouldn’t he do it.

There will be a team that is “done” by the trade deadline who will be looking to get some salvage value on a player that they know they won’t resign. If the best they can do is a 3rd round comp pick for losing the player, why wouldn’t they take a late second for that same player?

If Jerry swings and misses he will end up with a 3rd round salvage value out of. that pick. Better yet trade a 3rd and a 5th for that same player. It really only costs the Cowboys a 5th because they net a 3rd round comp pick back.

I pray you are right because Stephen & Jerry had the opportunity to do this in offseason but chose NOT to sign Von Miller.

If Jones braintrust do acquire an elite MLB or elite NT this season or even next offseason then I will become a believer.