OMG Burnett Should be starting this season!

[Frozen700]

THIS, my friend, is the telling statement, and why I have no argument with you.

Those things that you indicated you didn't say, I realize you didn't say - but your post was in defense of ogt who did say them.

My only point is that it's nuts to claim that a person CAN'T shuffle between LB positions because ALL of them do and have.



He doesn't lose because he wears people down over the long haul and they finally give up.



Hey, you're the one that's quoting a depth chart that even you admit doesn't exist ....... and I'm ignorant .....?



Oooh - a Cowboy elitist. I see now what the problem is. You're one of those guys who reads and listens and thinks you can learn football that way and have no real idea - you were in the chess club, right?

Sure Burnett is backing up Ayodele now, but you were talking about a DEPTH CHART, not simply what Wade has in mind now - before even going to training camp a depth chart that you now admit doesn't exist. What Wade is working with now may become part of the depth chart, and some things may not - but for now this concrete DEPTH CHART that you are hanging your hat on doesn't exist .... right?

I suppose you would have a coronary if once the real training camp start Phillips moved Burnett to another LB spot - after all, HE CAN'T DO THAT - IT'S A DEPTH CHART FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!



And you claim I don't know the Cowboys?

Junior Glymph has NEVER PLAYED in Phillips 3-4, he has only practiced in voluntary mini-camp so far.

But voluntary mini-camp means he is set in stone ...... right?





Diction refers to how you use words and form sentences moron - not spelling.

And names don't follow normal spelling rules - I assume you know Glymph isn't in the dictionary .......?

If you are going to present yourself as superior with the English language, at least take the time to look up what you are talking about so you can petend a little better.




You said he won't play there because of the depth chart, and you did say he couldn't play LILB (remember - different "skill sets") ..... seems like you are trying to smooth that over now.

The guy practiced everywhere - just because he didn't play ILB doesn't mean he didn't get a look there.

Thanks for the bone though - I feel privliedged to have a former chess player who learned his football through newspapers and TV cluing me in.

LMAO!!!!!! @ Chess Player....you 2 are funny....this has to be the most ongoing and intense argument..so far in the offseason

 

[Stautner]

No, it exists. Just because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Show it to me. Show me where Phillips has laid it out so you can know. Show me where Phillips has even suggested that he has all the positions set and there will be no changes.

For now, the only evidence is that there is no public depth chart.

I guess I will concede there is an OUTLINE of a depth chart in Phillips mind - obviously he has some things he his sure of and has thoughts on many others.

But that is not the same as a set depth chart - there is a reason for the tryout process and training camp and preseason - and very clearly how people respond in Phillips new defnse and in the position they have in mind and how they perform in general will iinfluence how the actual depth chart plays out.

You're right. He isn't making determinations as to starters yet. But he has made determinations as to positions played. He has had to do so and stick with it because they're all learning a new defense.

You really think he has made set in stone, unwavering determinations as to what positions? Training camp, the tryout process, what people look like in pads, how they respond to the new duties in the new defense ...... none of that could possibly have any influence?

What about Ratliff - he could be listed as a DE or NT because Phillips has said he will play both?

Players can and have been moved from their depth chart positions (ie. Tucker 2 years ago) despite "skill set" differences ........ you have continually avoided discussing that.

Did I ever even use the term "depth chart?"

No, I certainly didn't claim that..

You just claimed it in the first line of your last post.

Regardless, you have been claiming that Burnett not only cannot compete with James because he is backing up Ayodele and not James, and you have claimed that Burnett and the other LB's cannot be shuffled to other LB spots because of the different "skill sets".

Isn't this true?

Remember your claim that Burnett playing James LB spot would be like TO playing QB?

Wait a minute ........ weren't Drew Pearson, Hines Ward, Antwan Randal El and others QB's once ....... ?

I haven't backpedaled one bit. You don't read the posts thoroughly enough. When you misread something and someone points it out to you, they're not backpedaling. They're simply pointing out your inability to read thoroughly.

RESPOND TO THIS POST THEN ..........

LET'S EXAMINE FOR A MOMENT ogt's CLAIM THAT PLAYERS (focusing for now on LB's) CAN'T SHUFFLE TO POSITIONS OTHER THAN THE ONE THEY ARE LISTED ON IN THE DEPTH CHART (once it actually exists).

ELLIS: Played many years at DE and is now an OLB - even playing in coverage some last year - despite different "skill sets"

JAMES: Played a few years at OLB and now is a starting ILB.

AYODELE: Played DE in college, moved to OLB in the NFL, became an ILB when he came to Dallas.

WARE: College DE - now OLB. Shuffled back and forth at time between LOLB and ROLB - has played both weakside and strongside.

SPENCER: College DE being converted to NFL OLB.

CARPENTER: College OLB, has played primarily OLB so far in NFL but being converted to ILB.

BURNETT: Speed originally considered best for OLB, but being used now as ILB.

HOYTE: Was converted to FB last year despite originally being listed on the depth chart as a LB ...... somewhat different "skill sets".

GLYMPH: College and pro DE being converted to OLB.

Seems the coaches didn't get ogt's memo that these guys can only stick to one spot because of the different "skill sets" required for each position.

 

[jcollins28]

I bet John Kitna agrees that Burnett should be starting as well.

 

[Dough Boy]

No, it exists. Just because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Show it to me. Show me where Phillips has laid it out so you can know. Show me where Phillips has even suggested that he has all the positions set and there will be no changes.

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I've never saw the wind nor have I seen oxygen in its gaseous state, but i persume they both exist.

 

[theogt]

Show it to me. Show me where Phillips has laid it out so you can know. Show me where Phillips has even suggested that he has all the positions set and there will be no changes.

For now, the only evidence is that there is no public depth chart.

I guess I will concede there is an OUTLINE of a depth chart in Phillips mind - obviously he has some things he his sure of and has thoughts on many others.

But that is not the same as a set depth chart - there is a reason for the tryout process and training camp and preseason - and very clearly how people respond in Phillips new defnse and in the position they have in mind and how they perform in general will iinfluence how the actual depth chart plays out.

He's talked about it in press conferences. We've seen it in place during practices. How dense are you? This must be a joke. No one can really be this dumb.

You really think he has made set in stone, unwavering determinations as to what positions? Training camp, the tryout process, what people look like in pads, how they respond to the new duties in the new defense ...... none of that could possibly have any influence?

What about Ratliff - he could be listed as a DE or NT because Phillips has said he will play both?

Players can and have been moved from their depth chart positions (ie. Tucker 2 years ago) despite "skill set" differences ........ you have continually avoided discussing that.

Yes, I think that Burnett is not in competition with James and Carpenter for a LILB position. That's exactly what I've beeen telling you. Why would you just now be asking if that's what I think?

You just claimed it in the first line of your last post.

That was in reponse to your post saying I was talking about a depth chart.

Regardless, you have been claiming that Burnett not only cannot compete with James because he is backing up Ayodele and not James, and you have claimed that Burnett and the other LB's cannot be shuffled to other LB spots because of the different "skill sets".

Isn't this true?

I have not been claiming that Burnett cannot compete with James because he is backing up Ayodele. I said he is not competing with James because he is backing up Ayodele. This is where diction and reading comprehension come in. You have that of a 10 year old.

Remember your claim that Burnett playing James LB spot would be like TO playing QB?

It would be like that. Not exactly similar, but like it, yes.

Wait a minute ........ weren't Drew Pearson, Hines Ward, Antwan Randal El and others QB's once ....... ?

Yes, so?

RESPOND TO THIS POST THEN ..........

LET'S EXAMINE FOR A MOMENT ogt's CLAIM THAT PLAYERS (focusing for now on LB's) CAN'T SHUFFLE TO POSITIONS OTHER THAN THE ONE THEY ARE LISTED ON IN THE DEPTH CHART (once it actually exists).

ELLIS: Played many years at DE and is now an OLB - even playing in coverage some last year - despite different "skill sets"

JAMES: Played a few years at OLB and now is a starting ILB.

AYODELE: Played DE in college, moved to OLB in the NFL, became an ILB when he came to Dallas.

WARE: College DE - now OLB. Shuffled back and forth at time between LOLB and ROLB - has played both weakside and strongside.

SPENCER: College DE being converted to NFL OLB.

CARPENTER: College OLB, has played primarily OLB so far in NFL but being converted to ILB.

BURNETT: Speed originally considered best for OLB, but being used now as ILB.

HOYTE: Was converted to FB last year despite originally being listed on the depth chart as a LB ...... somewhat different "skill sets".

GLYMPH: College and pro DE being converted to OLB.

Seems the coaches didn't get ogt's memo that these guys can only stick to one spot because of the different "skill sets" required for each position.

Again, I've never said players can't player other positions. You're completely making that up.

 

[theogt]

lol.....naaaa i was just saying it looked like he had you....because you didnt respond back

but you did.....you got a record of holding you own around..thought he destroyed it

I was at dinner, then at a bar til 2 AM. Though it may seem untrue, I do have a life.

I bet John Kitna agrees that Burnett should be starting as well.

Jon Kitna probably agrees that Carpenter should be starting over James. Ayodele did not, however, have a bad game against Detroit.

 

[Frozen700]

I was at dinner, then at a bar til 2 AM. Though it may seem untrue, I do have a life.


Jon Kitna probably agrees that Carpenter should be starting over James. Ayodele did not, however, have a bad game against Detroit.

:laugh2::laugh1:

 

[Stautner]

I was at dinner, then at a bar til 2 AM. Though it may seem untrue, I do have a life.


Jon Kitna probably agrees that Carpenter should be starting over James. Ayodele did not, however, have a bad game against Detroit.

He merely said that Kitna probably wishes Burnett was starting, and if Ayodele had a good game against Detroit then why would you disagree with that?

 

[theogt]

He merely said that Kitna probably wishes Burnett was starting, and if Ayodele had a good game against Detroit then why would you disagree with that?

No, that's not what he said at all. You're just a wreck -- almost sad.

 

[Stautner]

I bet John Kitna agrees that Burnett should be starting as well.

No, that's not what he said at all. You're just a wreck -- almost sad.

Ok - he said Kitna probably AGREES ....... unlike you I can accept my misinterperetation. You on the other hand, NEVER misinterperet and will go to your grave screaming you are right when the evidence shows otherwise.

See. that's how intelligent conversation works - give and take and accepting what is wrong and sticking by what is right .........

Your stick your fingers in your ears and humming loudly approach doesn't quite fit that criteria.

Anyway, so what if he said he thinks Kitna would AGREE that Burnett should be starting ....... if Kitna thinks Burnett should be starting and/or jcollins thinks Kitna would AGREE that Burnett should be starting, then who are you to change his words and take it on yourself to tell him what he really means?

Don't you think he should get to decide what he means?

 

[theogt]

Ok - he said Kitna probably AGREES ....... unlike you I can accept my misinterperetation. You on the other hand, NEVER misinterperet and will go to your grave screaming you are right when the evidence shows otherwise.

See. that's how intelligent conversation works - give and take and accepting what is wrong and sticking by what is right .........

Your stick your fingers in your ears and humming loudly approach doesn't quite fit that criteria.

Anyway, so what if he said he thinks Kitna would AGREE that Burnett should be starting ....... if Kitna thinks Burnett should be starting and/or jcollins thinks Kitna would AGREE that Burnett should be starting, then who are you to change his words and take it on yourself to tell him what he really means?

Don't you think he should get to decide what he means?

I'm glad that after days of this you just now decided to engage in intelligent conversation.

 

[Frozen700]

Ok - he said Kitna probably AGREES ....... unlike you I can accept my misinterperetation. You on the other hand, NEVER misinterperet and will go to your grave screaming you are right when the evidence shows otherwise.

See. that's how intelligent conversation works - give and take and accepting what is wrong and sticking by what is right .........

Your stick your fingers in your ears and humming loudly approach doesn't quite fit that criteria.

Anyway, so what if he said he thinks Kitna would AGREE that Burnett should be starting ....... if Kitna thinks Burnett should be starting and/or jcollins thinks Kitna would AGREE that Burnett should be starting, then who are you to change his words and take it on yourself to tell him what he really means?

Don't you think he should get to decide what he means?

 

[Stautner]

I'm glad that after days of this you just now decided to engage in intelligent conversation.

There it is - there's the old "I'm rubber and you're glue" approach ........

Can't run and hide from it this time.

 

[silverbear]

all right man...since u apologized ill offer 1 2.......you said it wasnt an insult...but i felt as it was...but since u said you didnt mean to come off like that...then i guess i blew it out of proportion....my bad....even though i still disagree with the Burnett thing

TN, I'm a smarta$$, always have been... and sometimes, my attempts to be funny blow up in my face...

I can certainly see how you would have been offended by what I wrote, and should have chosen my words a bit more diplomatically...

It's all good, wild man... but your'e wrong about "the Burnett thing"...

<ducking for cover>

 

[Frozen700]

TN, I'm a smarta$$, always have been... and sometimes, my attempts to be funny blow up in my face...

I can certainly see how you would have been offended by what I wrote, and should have chosen my words a bit more diplomatically...

It's all good, wild man... but your'e wrong about "the Burnett thing"...

<ducking for cover>

lmao!!!!! @ ducking for cover....

yea man it was no prob.....it was my fault for being such an ***...and not knowing a joke from an insult....your a great guy...glad theres still civil people out there