OMG Burnett Should be starting this season!

[silverbear]

i was going off what i seen last season.....those 2 forced fumbles came last season.....and they were great play

most of those plays came last year....including the INT....obviously your just another Stat hunting, espn watching dream *****.

Actually, I rarely watch ESPN... haven't for years...

So, three plays in a season gets you all worked up?? When one of them was more or less a gift??

He had alot of great QB pressure last season....

No, he didn't... no matter how often you say that, no matter how insistently you say it, it still won't be true... any great QB pressure you saw from Kevin Burnett was entirely in your mind... here's the TRUTH:

He had one sack, and ONE quarterback hurry, for the entire season... both came in the third game, against Tennessee... the Boys as a team had 33 sacks, and 52 hurries, in 17 games (counting the playoff game against Seattle)... in the other 16 games, he had ZERO sacks, ZERO hurries...

You call THAT "great QB pressure"??

no need to attack me over my opinion on a damn player....

Disagreement is not an "attack", man... OK, the JOKE about getting a hit of what you're smoking might have come off as insulting, but it WAS meant entirely as a light-hearted comment... but if you were offended, since I really didn't mean to be offensive, I reckon it won't destroy me to offer an apology for that...

But if you think I'm supposed to sit back and ignore it when you talk silliness, well, that ain't gonna happen... in no way, shape or form has Kevin Burnett performed anywhere CLOSE to what you've claimed he has... does that mean I think he's a "bust"?? Not even close, I don't think we've seen his best football yet...

But thus far, he simply hasn't been anywhere near as good as you'd have us believe...

and actually looking at players instead of going off stats and watching espn all day....

Saw every game the Cowboys played, almost never watch ESPN... if that's the best you've got, you really ought to stop before you embarrass yourself further...

Beyond that, you can sneer at my stats all you like, but the stats DO tell the story about how a player has played... one sack and one hurry in seventeen games played do NOT constitute "great QB pressure"... one interception on a tipped ball and two fumbles forced in 17 games do NOT amount to making a lot of big plays...

get a life...

This from the guy who just complained about the lack of originality in my "can I have a hit of that" remark... yeah, "get a life" is REAL original...

i bet thats all you really do is smoke your life away watching espn... 40 years old and living with your 75 yr old mother

55 years old, we buried my Mom the day before 9/11, don't smoke... and as we've already established, I'm no fan of ESPN...

If this is an example of how intelligently you generally wager your money, you're a bookie's wet dream... LOL...

But I'm not surprised that you resorted to that sort of insult, you obviously have nothing of substance with which to defend the claims you made, that I shredded... so why not try to distract everybody from the way I've proven that your opinion of Kevin Burnett is ridiculous??

 

[silverbear]

Groupie?

look who's talking...im a groupie for liking a player?

When you start puffing a player FAR beyond what he's actually done, yeah, you come off as a groupie...

 

[silverbear]

I think you just sounded like a valley girl. Others may think you sounded like a groupie.

I am not ragging on you for liking a player, it was the way you posted it.

It was all in fun and just joking around so don't take it any other way.

As far as Silverbear being on my...

That is for my wife and I am sure that as sexy as I am, and I really am pretty darn sexy, Silverbear has no interest in that way. Well...truth be told he probably does, as I said I am sexy, but still he would not follow through with his desires.:laugh2:

You have my personal guarantee that you're safe... ROTFLMAO...

 

[theogt]

WAIT! HOLD THE PRESSES ogt ...... I've got 2 new questions for you!

1. Where is the depth chart you are talking about? The Cowboys website lumps ALL LB's together on the depth chart - no separation between the two ILBer spots and not even a pecking order at this point - so I'm wondering where your info is coming from that Burnett is restricted to being Ayodele's backup ............

Wow. Your ignorance is showing. Dallas, like most teams, doesn't have a depth chart on their website during the off-season. I can remember the day they took it down. Why? Because I know what the hell I'm talking about.

I get my info from (1) listening to Wade Phillips, and (2) reading reports from OTAs and mini-camps. You've shown that you know jack **** about the Cowboys.

Honestly, who doesn't know that they take the depth charts down during the off-season? I'll tell you who, casual fans don't know.

2. Who, according to your mysterious info, is DeMarcus Ware's backup?

Here's why I ask: presumably Ellis and Spencer are on one side, James and Carpenter at one ILB spot, Ayodele and Burnett at the other ....... who does that leave to backup Ware? Junior Glympf? Oliver Hoyte (ILB isn't he?)? John Saldi or the remaining no-name guys that haven't even made the team and most of whom wont?

It's not mysterious. It's well documented. His backup has been Junior Glymph, who by all reports, has been playing pretty well in Phillips' 3-4. He had a pretty good pre-season and training camp last year, too, so I think he might just be a serviceable backup.

Here's the point - if Ware destroyed his knees and we needed a long term replacement do you really think Glympf, Hoyte, Saldi or some guy we have never heard of would be our solution, or do you think we might move someone (Carp/Spencer?) into that spot so we could get our best players on the field?

Holy ****balls!!!! Can you even spell his name right? It's Glymph. My god, you spell like and have the diction of a 10 year old.

 

[theogt]

lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this argument you 2 are having is funny as hell....but damn i never seen the OGT lose an argument.... you may have him here

Get real. This guy's a novice who doesn't know **** about the Cowboys.

 

[silverbear]

Burrnet is extremely athletic and has the ability to be a major pass rusher.

Actually, that was NOT his rep coming out of college... he had all of 2.5 sacks in his last TWO seasons at Tennessee, 1.5 in 2003, 1.0 in 2004... in his best season, he had 3.5 sacks, for his 4 year career he had a TOTAL of 8 sacks... here's what NFL.com had to say, in their draft analysis:

However, he struggles to defeat the reach block on the blitz and while he has the burst to close on the quarterback, he does not do this with consistency (momentum will take him out of the play, as his stiff hips prevent him from generating sharp stop-and-go action). Burnett is not considered a solid pass rusher, as he does not have effective rip and club moves to split double teams, nor does he deliver a fluid swim move to get an edge and slip off blocks.

He's real good when it comes to chasing plays from sideline to sideline, the kind of linebacker that Jimmy Johnson would have loved... some folks say he's pretty good in coverage, some say he's not much, I tend to lean more to the pretty good in coverage side...

But a dangerous pass rusher, he simply is not...

The good news is, Wade Phillips' system might fit him better than Bill Parcells' did... I'm certainly not writing off his chances of making a bigger impact this year than he has thus far in his career...

 

[silverbear]

From his draft bio..

IR, I saw that quote from the Vols' assistant coach, but I dismissed it as so much hogwash... the plain truth is, even if Tennessee did use him as an edge rusher in the nickel, he only had 2.5 sacks in his last 2 seasons, 8 sacks for his 4 year career... if you look at those numbers, you know that whatever that assistant coach said about his edge rushing skills, it was nothing more than a propaganda job designed to help Burnett's draft stock...


If he was an effective pass rusher, he would have had better sack stats... he hasn't put up anything in the way of sack (or even hurry) stats since he's been in the NFL, either...

Kevin Burnett brings some skills to the table, pass rush ability is not one of them...

 

[theogt]

Another one of your baseless, substanceless comments meant to avoid the truth and how you have been spewing BS.

Come on answer the questions:

1. Where is the depth chart you are consulting? The Cowboys haven't issued it .......

Pay attention. Read the reports. Listen to the PCs (or recap them word for word like I do). Do all that and you'll know the information the rest of us know. Until that time, stop acting like you know a damn thing.

2. Who, by your mysterious depth chart, is Ware's backup? And let me remind you that you can't say Ellis, Spencer, Capenter or Burnett, because according to you they are bound to other spots on the depth chart and can't make a move because of the different "skill set" requirements.

Covered in a previous post.

3. How do you explain ALL the players in the NFL that from time to time - and some frequently - play positions other than the one listed on the depth chart?

Ummm...they play multiple positions. Tough question, really.

4. How do you explain that despite your claim that Burnett only possesses the "skill set" for one LB spot, he has been tried and shuffled in and out of most of the LB spots in Dallas at one point or another?

Actually, he wasn't given a shot at ILB for Parcells. He played exclusively OLB and nickel LB. I'm not saying he can't play LILB. I've never said that. I've said that he won't play LILB and isn't in competition with Bradie and Carpenter for the position.

GOT ANYTHING WITTY (in your mind at least), or will you come up with another doozy response like having a player attempt to play 2 different LB spots is like having Larry Allen as a placekicker ....... that fits right with your suggestion that it's like TO playing QB doesn't it?

Dude, I'm just throwing you a bone here. Trying to help keep you up to speed with the team. Obviously you're a little behind. Just read my posts and you'll learn something.

 

[silverbear]

Then I stand corrected about what the pre-draft write ups were saying about Burnett. I thought I remembered them saying he was good in coverage, but maybe I'm just thinking that he used to play safety and assumed that he could cover.

Either way, thanks for the correction, IR.

Scouting reports were mixed on Burnett's cover skills, I saw some that thought he wasn't all that, some thought he was pretty good, and had a lot of potential to be good at that in the NFL...

 

[silverbear]

I don't think he's a prototype 3-4 OLB, but I think they were projecting that he could/would add 15 lbs. of muscle to get into the 6'3" 250-255 range .. which he never could.

His deficiencies in pass coverage are a little baffling. This is a smart guy who was a converted safety. I don't know what the deal is, other than maybe he's not a natural or instinctive football player.

That's it, in a nutshell... but a player who isn't particularly instinctive can reasonably be expected to improve in coverage the more he learns the defense... a player who isn't instinctive can improve those instincts, sometimes significantly, the more reps he has... his recognition improves...

 

[Stautner]

And as of now, based on OTA's, Burnett is the WILB backup to Ayodele. And I have NOT claimed that its set in stone.

...

THIS, my friend, is the telling statement, and why I have no argument with you.

Those things that you indicated you didn't say, I realize you didn't say - but your post was in defense of ogt who did say them.

My only point is that it's nuts to claim that a person CAN'T shuffle between LB positions because ALL of them do and have.

lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this argument you 2 are having is funny as hell....but damn i never seen the OGT lose an argument.... you may have him here

He doesn't lose because he wears people down over the long haul and they finally give up.

Wow. Your ignorance is showing. Dallas, like most teams, doesn't have a depth chart on their website during the off-season. I can remember the day they took it down. Why? Because I know what the hell I'm talking about.

Hey, you're the one that's quoting a depth chart that even you admit doesn't exist ....... and I'm ignorant .....?

I get my info from (1) listening to Wade Phillips, and (2) reading reports from OTAs and mini-camps. You've shown that you know jack **** about the Cowboys.

Oooh - a Cowboy elitist. I see now what the problem is. You're one of those guys who reads and listens and thinks you can learn football that way and have no real idea - you were in the chess club, right?

Sure Burnett is backing up Ayodele now, but you were talking about a DEPTH CHART, not simply what Wade has in mind now - before even going to training camp a depth chart that you now admit doesn't exist. What Wade is working with now may become part of the depth chart, and some things may not - but for now this concrete DEPTH CHART that you are hanging your hat on doesn't exist .... right?

I suppose you would have a coronary if once the real training camp start Phillips moved Burnett to another LB spot - after all, HE CAN'T DO THAT - IT'S A DEPTH CHART FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

It's not mysterious. It's well documented. His backup has been Junior Glymph, who by all reports, has been playing pretty well in Phillips' 3-4. He had a pretty good pre-season and training camp last year, too, so I think he might just be a serviceable backup.

And you claim I don't know the Cowboys?

Junior Glymph has NEVER PLAYED in Phillips 3-4, he has only practiced in voluntary mini-camp so far.

But voluntary mini-camp means he is set in stone ...... right?

Holy ****balls!!!! Can you even spell his name right? It's Glymph. My god, you spell like and have the diction of a 10 year old.

Pay attention. Read the reports. Listen to the PCs (or recap them word for word like I do). Do all that and you'll know the information the rest of us know. Until that time, stop acting like you know a damn thing.

Diction refers to how you use words and form sentences moron - not spelling.

And names don't follow normal spelling rules - I assume you know Glymph isn't in the dictionary .......?

If you are going to present yourself as superior with the English language, at least take the time to look up what you are talking about so you can petend a little better.

Actually, he wasn't given a shot at ILB for Parcells. He played exclusively OLB and nickel LB. I'm not saying he can't play LILB. I've never said that. I've said that he won't play LILB and isn't in competition with Bradie and Carpenter for the position.

Dude, I'm just throwing you a bone here. Trying to help keep you up to speed with the team. Obviously you're a little behind. Just read my posts and you'll learn something.

You said he won't play there because of the depth chart, and you did say he couldn't play LILB (remember - different "skill sets") ..... seems like you are trying to smooth that over now.

The guy practiced everywhere - just because he didn't play ILB doesn't mean he didn't get a look there.

Thanks for the bone though - I feel privliedged to have a former chess player who learned his football through newspapers and TV cluing me in.

 

[theogt]

Hey, you're the one that's quoting a depth chart that even you admit doesn't exist ....... and I'm ignorant .....?

Who said one doesn't exist? It's simply not posted on the website. For all intents and purposes one does exist, and if you'd pay attention, you'd know who is lined up where.

Oooh - a Cowboy elitist. I see now what the problem is. You're one of those guys who reads and listens and thinks you can learn football that way and have no real idea - you were in the chess club, right?

Sure Burnett is backing up Ayodele now, but you were talking about a DEPTH CHART that you now admit doesn't exist.

I suppose you would have a coronary if one the real training camp start Phillips moved Burnett to another LB spot - after all, HE CAN'T DO THAT - IT'S A DEPTH CHART FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!

He could do it. But he won't.

And you claim I don't know the Cowboys?

Junior Glymph has NEVER PLAYED in Phillips 3-4, he has only practiced in voluntary mini-camp so far.

But voluntary mini-camp means he is set in stone ...... right?

I'm pretty sure I've seen him out on the field playing in the Phillips 3-4. There's video online somewhere, if you'd like to see it too.

Diction refers to how you use words moron - not spelling.

That might be why I said that you "spell like and have the diction of a 10 year old." Try reading sentences twice before replying. It may help in your comprehension.

And names don't follow normal spelling rule.

Oh my.

If you are going to set your self up as superior with the English language, at least take the time to look up what you are talking about so you can at least petend.

LOL!

You said he won't play there because of the depth chart, and you did say he couldn't play LILB (remember - different "skill sets") ..... seems like you are trying to smooth that over now.

I never said he couldn't. And I didn't say he would not player there because of the depth chart.

I said, he isn't challenging Bradie or Carpenter for the position.

The guy practiced everywhere - just because he didn't play ILB doesn't mean he didn't get a look there.

No, he pretty much started out at OLB behind Ware and stayed there almost exclusively his entire tenure. Parcells' ILBs need to be big and able to take on guards in the running game. Burnett is just not a proto-typical Parcells 3-4 ILB (too weak/small).

Thanks for the bone though - I feel privliedged to have a former chess player who learned his football through newspapers and TV cluing me in.

Great. I'm glad you've learned a few things.

 

[Stautner]

LET'S EXAMINE FOR A MOMENT ogt's CLAIM THAT PLAYERS (focusing for now on LB's) CAN'T SHUFFLE TO POSITIONS OTHER THAN THE ONE THEY ARE LISTED ON IN THE DEPTH CHART (once it actually exists).

ELLIS: Played many years at DE and is now an OLB - even playing in coverage some last year - despite different "skill sets"

JAMES: Played a few years at OLB and now is a starting ILB.

AYODELE: Played DE in college, moved to OLB in the NFL, became an ILB when he came to Dallas.

WARE: College DE - now OLB. Shuffled back and forth at time between LOLB and ROLB - has played both weakside and strongside.

SPENCER: College DE being converted to NFL OLB.

CARPENTER: College OLB, has played primarily OLB so far in NFL but being converted to ILB.

BURNETT: Speed originally considered best for OLB, but being used now as ILB.

HOYTE: Was converted to FB last year despite originally being listed on the depth chart as a LB ...... somewhat different "skill sets".

GLYMPH: College and pro DE being converted to OLB.

Seems the coaches didn't get ogt's memo that these guys can only stick to one spot because of the different "skill sets" required for each position.

 

[superpunk]

^^^^dude has lost his damn mind....

 

[theogt]

Can't != Won't*











* Stautner, that mean's they're not the same term.

 

[Vintage]

Phillips has Burnett at WILB for some reason. I think its probably safe to assume that Phillips thinks he is suited best for that position, as of now.

If he didn't think so, Burnett wouldn't have gotten the reps at OTAs/minicamps.

Maybe Phillips changes his mind in training camp - who knows. But as of now, Burnett is at WILB.

I'd assume its because it requires less taking on blockers and more 'free flowing' to the ball carrier (taking advantage of his speed/athleticism/quickness) while hiding his weaknesses (size/taking on blockers)

 

[Stautner]

Who said one doesn't exist? It's simply not posted on the website. For all intents and purposes one does exist, and if you'd pay attention, you'd know who is lined up where.

He could do it. But he won't.

I'm pretty sure I've seen him out on the field playing in the Phillips 3-4. There's video online somewhere, if you'd like to see it too.

That might be why I said that you "spell like and have the diction of a 10 year old." Try reading sentences twice before replying. It may help in your comprehension.

Oh my.

LOL!

I never said he couldn't. And I didn't say he would not player there because of the depth chart.

I said, he isn't challenging Bradie or Carpenter for the position.

No, he pretty much started out at OLB behind Ware and stayed there almost exclusively his entire tenure. Parcells' ILBs need to be big and able to take on guards in the running game. Burnett is just not a proto-typical Parcells 3-4 ILB (too weak/small).

Great. I'm glad you've learned a few things.

The reason it isn't on the website is that it DOESN'T EXIST ...... use a little common sense please.

Sure he has ideas and is working people in certain places, but that isn't a DEPTH CHART - that's just going through the process that helps determine what the DEPTH CHART will be.

He's working on it - Phillips is just getting his first look at these guys - and without pads - he has ideas in his head, hasn't made his determinations yet. It isn't set yet.

Yes, you said he isn't challenging James/Carpenter, and the reason you gave was the DEPTH CHART (remember - the CHART that doesn't exist yet?).

And you also claimed it was because he didn't have the skill set to play anywhere other than where he was on the depth chart - nor do any of our LB's.

*SEE MY PREVIOUS POST FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS.

Keep backpeddling - maybe you can at least convince yourself you didn't say what you did.

 

[theogt]

The reason it isn't on the website is that it DOESN'T EXIST ...... use a little common sense please.

No, it exists. Just because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

He's working on it - Phillips is just getting his first look at these guys - and without pads - he has ideas in his head, hasn't made his determinations yet. It isn't set yet.

You're right. He isn't making determinations as to starters yet. But he has made determinations as to positions played. He has had to do so and stick with it because they're all learning a new defense.

Yes, you said he isn't challenging James/Carpenter, and the reason you gave was the DEPTH CHART (remember - the CHART that doesn't exist yet?).

Did I ever even use the term "depth chart?"

And you also claimed it was because he didn't have the skill set to play anywhere other than where he was on the depth chart - nor do any of our LB's.

No, I certainly didn't claim that.

*SEE MY PREVIOUS POST FOR DISCUSSION ON THIS.

Keep backpeddling - maybe you can at least convince yourself you didn't say what you did.

I haven't backpedaled one bit. You don't read the posts thoroughly enough. When you misread something and someone points it out to you, they're not backpedaling. They're simply pointing out your inability to read thoroughly.

 

[Frozen700]

Actually, I rarely watch ESPN... haven't for years...

So, three plays in a season gets you all worked up?? When one of them was more or less a gift??



No, he didn't... no matter how often you say that, no matter how insistently you say it, it still won't be true... any great QB pressure you saw from Kevin Burnett was entirely in your mind... here's the TRUTH:

He had one sack, and ONE quarterback hurry, for the entire season... both came in the third game, against Tennessee... the Boys as a team had 33 sacks, and 52 hurries, in 17 games (counting the playoff game against Seattle)... in the other 16 games, he had ZERO sacks, ZERO hurries...

You call THAT "great QB pressure"??



Disagreement is not an "attack", man... OK, the JOKE about getting a hit of what you're smoking might have come off as insulting, but it WAS meant entirely as a light-hearted comment... but if you were offended, since I really didn't mean to be offensive, I reckon it won't destroy me to offer an apology for that...

But if you think I'm supposed to sit back and ignore it when you talk silliness, well, that ain't gonna happen... in no way, shape or form has Kevin Burnett performed anywhere CLOSE to what you've claimed he has... does that mean I think he's a "bust"?? Not even close, I don't think we've seen his best football yet...

But thus far, he simply hasn't been anywhere near as good as you'd have us believe...



Saw every game the Cowboys played, almost never watch ESPN... if that's the best you've got, you really ought to stop before you embarrass yourself further...

Beyond that, you can sneer at my stats all you like, but the stats DO tell the story about how a player has played... one sack and one hurry in seventeen games played do NOT constitute "great QB pressure"... one interception on a tipped ball and two fumbles forced in 17 games do NOT amount to making a lot of big plays...



This from the guy who just complained about the lack of originality in my "can I have a hit of that" remark... yeah, "get a life" is REAL original...



55 years old, we buried my Mom the day before 9/11, don't smoke... and as we've already established, I'm no fan of ESPN...

If this is an example of how intelligently you generally wager your money, you're a bookie's wet dream... LOL...

But I'm not surprised that you resorted to that sort of insult, you obviously have nothing of substance with which to defend the claims you made, that I shredded... so why not try to distract everybody from the way I've proven that your opinion of Kevin Burnett is ridiculous??

all right man...since u apologized ill offer 1 2.......you said it wasnt an insult...but i felt as it was...but since u said you didnt mean to come off like that...then i guess i blew it out of proportion....my bad....even though i still disagree with the Burnett thing

 

[Frozen700]

Get real. This guy's a novice who doesn't know **** about the Cowboys.

lol.....naaaa i was just saying it looked like he had you....because you didnt respond back

but you did.....you got a record of holding you own around..thought he destroyed it