On June 22, 2017 Derek Carr was signed a 5-year $125m contract extension

[Northern_Cowboy]

My point was the argument you guys keep making is "He's not the best quarterback in the league so he shouldn't be paid like one"is flawed. His contract will be outside of the top 10 in 2 to 3 years. But you guys live in the now and don't see the future of things so continue to panic and pray and hope Dak gets hurt so he doesn't get paid I guess.......

I got your point my point was that the Raiders as an example screwed up making Carr the highest paid QB, so why should we follow that pattern and do the same for Dak

 

[Stash]

He would be really good here.

I'm not sure he has what it takes mentally. I still see too many braindead moments for a guy who's been in the league this long.

The physical talent is elite, I'm not sure the mental side will ever get there.

 

[baltcowboy]

He was?

Dak threw for 200 yards and no TDs that day. Ryan threw for close to 300 and one TD (and one interception).

Ryan is a better QB than Dak.

Who won the game? Dak's clutch plays on the final drive won the game. That game meant everything for both teams. We went on to make the playoffs. They went into the tank.

 

[xwalker]

All I know is the numbers for these players are just getting ridiculous real quick. Imagine what Mahommes is going to get.

Everyone fans/media/teams should switch to discussing pay in terms of percent of the salary cap.

Carr's 25M average was 14.97% of the cap when signed.

If the cap increases at the rate that it's been increasing the past 5 years, it will be about 203M for 2020.

15% of 203 is about 31M.

Aaron Rodgers 2013 contract: 17.9%
Aaron Rodgers 2018 contract: 18.9%

Russell Wilson 2019 contract: 18.6%

18.9% of 203 is 38.7M.

 

[CATCH17]

I'm not sure he has what it takes mentally. I still see too many braindead moments for a guy who's been in the league this long.

The physical talent is elite, I'm not sure the mental side will ever get there.

Ask Dak to carry a team with his arm and lets compare. It wouldn't be close.

Dak just plays everything close to the vest and he gets a lot of good looks because of Zeke.

If I can get Derek Carr 20ish million or Dak for mid 30's then this isn't even a conversation.

Carr > Dak

 

[Stash]

I just don't get why people are freaking out about having to sign him now.

I mean they are perfectly content, apparently handing him $33MM, so why would they care if you have to pay him $38MM next year if he has a great 2019 season?

It's so they can sleep at night, knowing the quarterback is under contract long term, deserved or not. Just get it signed, and then worry about whether or not he's actually worth it.

But if the demands are as high as some have reported? No problem. Play it out. Play out this year for $2 million and risk an Alex Smith injury, or poor play. And then get tagged for the next two years or let go into free agency if things go south.

You go ahead and take that risk guys.

 

[Stash]

Ask Dak to carry a team with his arm and lets compare. It wouldn't be close.

Dak just plays everything close to the vest and he gets a lot of good looks because of Zeke.

If I can get Derek Carr 20ish million or Dak for mid 30's then this isn't even a conversation.

Carr > Dak

I'll also focus on the decision making, and not just arm talent, thanks. Dak is far better there.

 

[Sydla]

Who won the game? Dak's clutch plays on the final drive won the game. That game meant everything for both teams. We went on to make the playoffs. They went into the tank.

Oh so one game and one season is all that matters? Should we look at 2017 and how they fared head to head and what team made the playoffs and what team didn't?

Or is 2018 the only year that matters?

 

[kumizi]

Lmao are you using Derek Carr as a good example of why Dak should get paid big money? Dak fans aren’t too bright.

Carr was better at the time than Dak is now and that contract has still been a fail for the team.

 

[baltcowboy]

Oh so one game and one season is all that matters? Should we look at 2017 and how they fared head to head and what team made the playoffs and what team didn't?

Or is 2018 the only year that matters?

Dak is 26, while Ryan is in his 30s. Dak has the better future. I believe.

 

[Sydla]

Dak is 26, while Ryan is in his 30s. Dak has the better future. I believe.

Ryan has done it already. Dak hasn't.

Ryan is the better QB. Note, I am not suggesting we acquire Ryan.

But right now, one is a better QB than the other.

 

[CATCH17]

I'll also focus on the decision making, and not just arm talent, thanks. Dak is far better there.

Because Dak doesn't have to carry a team.

That's my whole point. WE get a QB with better arm talent and won't be forced to carry the load.


Derek Carr would have time to throw, a RB to rely on, and a really talented group of WR's.

 

[Swanny]

Funny you bring up Ben Rothlisberger, Russel Wilson and Tom Brady as guys you wouldn't let walk but when they were 26 like Dak is now they were either as good as Dak or slightly worse. You'r paying for potential with Dak as well. I'm sorry but if you think Dak and Trent Differ or anything alike you have no idea what you're talking about. I know that's a easy comparison to make because Trent wasn't slinging the football all over the field but that's just very lazy and misinformed.

Then we are going to agree to disagree. No point in arguing when we just aren't going to agree. You have your opinion I have mine.

All I can say is that Dak hasn't shown enough to this point to be worth a large chunk of salary cap space. Let the guy play out this season and we should know much more. I hope he proves that he is worth every cent he is asking for.

 

[DFWJC]

There are other reasons the objectors object

I stay out of this contract argument and just want him signed.
But no
Other than football or salary cap,
no, there are not other phanthom reasons

 

[CATCH17]

Ryan has done it already. Dak hasn't.

Ryan is the better QB. Note, I am not suggesting we acquire Ryan.

But right now, one is a better QB than the other.

I agree and Matt Ryan is overrated too but at least he can throw for 30+ TD's.

We're going to pay a QB stupid money who has never thrown 30 TD's.. lol

 

[Stash]

And

Because Dak doesn't have to carry a team.

That's my whole point. WE get a QB with better arm talent and won't be forced to carry the load.


Derek Carr would have time to throw, a RB to rely on, and a really talented group of WR's.

Undeniably so, but again, I wonder if he'll ever have enough of the mental part of the game to put it all together? I still see a player capable of making some ridiculous, bush-league decisions at times.

The arm talent is undoubtedly there.

 

[baltcowboy]

Ryan has done it already. Dak hasn't.

Ryan is the better QB. Note, I am not suggesting we acquire Ryan.

But right now, one is a better QB than the other.

I hear you. I just think Ryan is like what the talking heads say about Dak. He is product of the talent around him. Best reciever in the game, strong running game and good offensive line. You take the line away. He is average. Like last year.

 

[Sydla]

Either they don’t get it or just playing stupid. Not sure which it is.

To some, it's simply a question of do you pay an average QB a big contract under the guise of "oh well, in 5 years it won't be that big a contract".

Pay the QB big money because he's a big time QB. Not because, hey, in a few years, his money won't look that bad. That's a really bad business.

Because in 3 years, if Dak Prescott is an average QB that can't get the team over the hump, it won't matter where he ranks in the pecking order of QB pay. The only thing that will matter is the Cowboys are taking a massive cap hit for a QB that can't get it done.

That's the point.

 

[Brax]

.............Derek Carr was signed a five-year, $125 million contract extension with $70 million in total guarantees which made him the highest paid player in the NFL.

Did Derek Carr's agent come to the table and say his client was the best quarterback in the league and deserved to be the highest paid player in the league? Of course not. But they knew the power of inflation. They knew that the higher the salary cap got the higher the salary of quarterbacks would get.

So where do you think that contract ranks just 2 years later?

1. Seahawks QB Russell Wilson: $35 million
2. Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger: $34 million
3. Packers QB Aaron Rodgers: $33.5 million
4. Eagles QB Carson Wentz: $32 million
5. Falcons QB Matt Ryan: $30 million
6. Vikings QB Kirk Cousins: $28 million
7. 49ers QB Jimmy Garoppolo: $27.5 million
8. Lions QB Matthew Stafford: $27 millio
9. Raiders QB Derek Carr: $25 million


So in just TWO YEARS........Derek Carr went from being the highest paid quarterback in the league to #9. And actually with the Tom Brady extension he may actually be #10 if I'm not mistaken.

So what's my point? I'm sure its obvious to many. Dak may sign a contract that makes him top 3 highest paid but with guys like Goff, Mariota, Winston, Mayfield, Allen, Darnold, etc. coming up in the next couple of years? That deal won't even be top 10 especially if you factor in the veterans who will need new deal coming up.

We get it, it's just his turn to get paid regardless that's he's a middle (15-25) level QB. I know hater, troll, stupid, (insert what ever name you and your buddies like) don't get it because it doesn't fit the narrative you want to project, but paying top money for a lower tier QB just doesn't make sense. Play him out and franchise him ,as for a trade maybe they can get their 4th back because there isn't any team stepping up to pay Dak #1 money and give up any #1 pick. Paying Dak average QB money with incentives for performance is all Dak is worth. Dak will never be a top 10 let alone 5 QB in my opinion and paying him elite money is just plain stupid. In your world and the rest of the Dak devotee's just pay the man because it's his turn not because of his performance. It is just a plain dumb way to view it.

 

[Sydla]

I hear you. I just think Ryan is like what the talking heads say about Dak. He is product of the talent around him. Best reciever in the game, strong running game and good offensive line. You take the line away. He is average. Like last year.

Like last year?

Ryan threw for nearly 5000 yards, completed nearly 70% of his passes, threw 35 TDs against only 7 interceptions with a rating of 108 and a QBR of 70.

Matt Ryan was not "average" last year. Come on dude.