One Too May Negative Cowboy Fans Out There

[The Grim Reaper]

There are positives. Even when we went 1-15 there were some positives. But when you talk about the team as a whole and what the have accomplished (or not accomplished) the last twelve years, well, that hasn't been positive.

Get back to me about being too negative when we start winning some playoff games, make it to the Super Bowl, win the Super Bowl. If I'm negative then, then you'll have a point. But that hasn't been the case. I wasn't negative in the early 90's. I wasn't negative in the mid 90's, other than realizing our drafting had gone in the tank once Jimmy left. The reality the last dozen years have been primarily negative so if one is realistic about that then they just may come off as being negative. Funny how it works that way.

So what you are saying is that if this team is good, if they win, if they bring home a 6th Super Bowl, you will become positive about this team?

Sounds like they need a seat for you here.

 

[jazzcat22]

when Romo shows he can still be a good qb without Owens than i'll start to think positive again.

So Owens made Romo a good QB. What happened with the other QB's, he couldn't make them look good?
Seems as if Owens was the problem.

And I wanted Owens to stay...so not knocking Owens.

 

[Doomsay]

It's simple really: If someone looks at this Cowboys team... one which has talent throughout the roster along with one of the better QB's in today's game... and can't really come up with anything positive, then that isn't being realistic. That is being WAY overly negative.

Offensively, the Cowboys are set at QB, RB, TE, have enough talent at WR, and the OL has some good players on it.

Defensively, the Cowboys have a proven attacking scheme, the best pass rusher in the game, good players throughout, one of the best defensive coordinators in the last twenty years, and just got a huge influx of youth and talent.

Not to mention that the team's scouting and drafting are light years ahead of where they were just 5 years ago, and that we seem to find good, young talent every year in the draft as well as after it. The team's philosophy is 1000 times better.

That is a whole lot to be positive about.

Now, if you want to say we have a head coach that hasn't proven himself in the postseason... then that is realistic. If you want to say that the whole team hasn't proven itself late in seasons... then that is realistic also. Say the team lacked discipline last year and that it remains to be seen if Phillips can become more strict on the players... then that is being realistic. Say Roy Williams has to prove himself. Say the OL needs to do a much better job. Say the DB's need to be better. All of that is realistic.

However, when a person looks at all that as a whole - both the positives and the negatives - and all they can manage to do is to tear the team down and point out shortcomings, then AT BEST that person is overly negative. At worst, he or she has personal issues with the team or it's front office.

Always pointing out the negatives and the downside of everything related to the Cowboys is not being realistic... and to think that average fans are too stupid to see the difference is pure, unadulterated BS. And you should stop wasting your time as well as ours in trying to convince anyone at all, that you are anything even close to neutral in your views.

JMO, of course.

Or, it's even "simpler". The same failed GM structure that has been in place since 1996 has produced 0 playoff victories. That's the only realistic stat that I know of.

 

[Hostile]

Or, it's even "simpler". The same failed GM structure that has been in place since 1996 has produced 0 playoff victories. That's the only realistic stat that I know of.

That actually isn't true at all. The front office staff has changed quite a bit.

 

[RS12]

There is a large difference being negative and being a realist.

Negative means nothing the team does suits you.

Being a realist simply means show me.

As I have said before, never let logic stand in the way of emotion.:laugh2:

Maybe we should start "the rose colored glasses forum" for those who dont like reality.

 

[Switz]

you will get plently of negative comments from a fan base that has seen 5 superbowl wins 8 trips to the big dance. 20 season in a row with a winning record and 19 of 20 in the playoffs...

yet the last 13 season only 5 trips to the playoffs and ZERO wins.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Last season I expressed a concern about all the penalties in the pre-season games. I was told I was being too negative.

How'd that work out for us?

 

[Hostile]

you will get plently of negative comments from a fan base that has seen 5 superbowl wins 8 trips to the big dance. 20 season in a row with a winning record and 19 of 20 in the playoffs...

yet the last 13 season only 5 trips to the playoffs and ZERO wins.

I can't argue with this.

 

[iceberg]

I can't argue with this.

who could?

i just got other things in my life to occupy my time than to hate things i can't control to the degree some hate it.

i had my moment w/the OL, but like many, it was a moment.

some people just seem to hate as a matter of preference - their choice too.

doesn't mean they're not annoying litlte spuds you wish would shut up from time to time though.

 

[TwoDeep3]

who could?

i just got other things in my life to occupy my time than to hate things i can't control to the degree some hate it.

i had my moment w/the OL, but like many, it was a moment.

some people just seem to hate as a matter of preference - their choice too.

doesn't mean they're not annoying litlte spuds you wish would shut up from time to time though.

Interesting comments. So any discourse that points out where the team might need to step up is hate?

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

This is a team that is dripping with talent.

Not all the positions are defined yet and some holes remain.

But overall, the Cowboys are an embarrassment of riches.

Yet, this is not a team going to the Super Bowl. Not with its poor leadership last season.
The Clown Wade Phillips will have to learn to yell and take players to task privately and publicly if necessary. Instead of constantly giving up the 8 yards or so, his defensive team has to step up and smash-mouth them every time they even attempt a 1 yards advance.

(cue in the "Battle Hymn of the Republicans")

But i will be damned if I just let my beloved cowboys throw away that chance or let the widow of opportunity close and say, "no more. Fie on you!"

This is a team that has 1-2 years to win it all. If not, there will be other teams on the ascendency. And then it is back to the Landryesque years of the 1980s: Playing scared and playing rigidly. Winning enough to get us low round drafts picks but not winning enough to go to the Super Bowl.

Now, look at the play Jimma inspired: a voracious, attacking defense.
A hardnosed running game by moose and emmitt that would pound opponents into submission. No prisoners. No retreat. Just slam it ahead.

Wade is the the anti-Jimma.

And that is too bad because we have the talent but not the leadership.

No, I will speak up and out about what is wrong with our teams, just as I am gratified by the right things we've done personnelwise, if not the recent (ugh!) draft. If you can call it a draft. More like a sale at the Good Will. Not top-tier, but someone has to take them.

I will stand up and say, nay, definers of the Cowboys future. You can do a lot better than Wade and RW and Brookings.
These are second-tier people and that is not what ah want in my beloved Cowboys.

I say, hey, hey, you, get off of my cloud!"

(Cue out out the Battle Hymn of the Republicans")

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

who could?

i just got other things in my life to occupy my time than to hate things i can't control to the degree some hate it.

i had my moment w/the OL, but like many, it was a moment.

some people just seem to hate as a matter of preference - their choice too.

doesn't mean they're not annoying litlte spuds you wish would shut up from time to time though.

I hate you, Iceberg.

 

[iceberg]

Interesting comments. So any discourse that points out where the team might need to step up is hate?

come back when comprehension sets in.

 

[TwoDeep3]

come back when comprehension sets in.

I feel so much better now that I find you cannot define your idea.

 

[iceberg]

who could?

i just got other things in my life to occupy my time than to hate things i can't control to the degree some hate it.

i had my moment w/the OL, but like many, it was a moment.

some people just seem to hate as a matter of preference - their choice too.

doesn't mean they're not annoying litlte spuds you wish would shut up from time to time though.

Interesting comments. So any discourse that points out where the team might need to step up is hate?

come back when comprehension sets in.

I feel so much better now that I find you cannot define your idea.

i said - and i'll type slowly.

"to the degree some hate it".
"i had my own moment (of hate) with the OL"

i *never* said any negative comment made you a hater.

my point is any pro-jones comment you gotta follow up with hate, you may be a hater.

try to start a pro jones thread w/o bach hating.

i understand it. i appreciate it. i get it. 13 years no post season win. yes, it sucks. no i won't worship jones, but i can't find any billboards to rent to voice my displeasure....

again - "to the degree some hate".

now, come back when comprehension sets in.

 

[TwoDeep3]

i said - and i'll type slowly.

"to the degree some hate it".
"i had my own moment (of hate) with the OL"

i *never* said any negative comment made you a hater.

my point is any pro-jones comment you gotta follow up with hate, you may be a hater.

try to start a pro jones thread w/o bach hating.

i understand it. i appreciate it. i get it. 13 years no post season win. yes, it sucks. no i won't worship jones, but i can't find any billboards to rent to voice my displeasure....

again - "to the degree some hate".

now, come back when comprehension sets in.

Dang, I wish I was a fan like you, with your understanding and comprehension.

Makes this last forty-nine years of following this team seem so...wasted.

 

[iceberg]

Dang, I wish I was a fan like you, with your understanding and comprehension.

Makes this last forty-nine years of following this team seem so...wasted.

hell dude. i just wish you'd hear me vs. argue cause you're bored.

and if that 49 years was followed in "hate" then *to me* it was wasted time.

some people find value in hate. i don't. hate is a waste of time to me.

for others it's all they got. esp after 49 years.

now - back up and tell me where i said any negative comment was hate. let's put down the claws and focus on what was actually said.

i said i don't get the hate, i said we *all* hate at times.

how did you get:

"So any discourse that points out where the team might need to step up is hate?"

out of my obviously saying we all hate *at times* to be pointing out where the team may need to "step up" and saying so should be ok?

do you really put the 2 comments in the same light?

 

[TwoDeep3]

hell dude. i just wish you'd hear me vs. argue cause you're bored.

and if that 49 years was followed in "hate" then *to me* it was wasted time.

some people find value in hate. i don't. hate is a waste of time to me.

for others it's all they got. esp after 49 years.

now - back up and tell me where i said any negative comment was hate. let's put down the claws and focus on what was actually said.

i said i don't get the hate, i said we *all* hate at times.

how did you get:

"So any discourse that points out where the team might need to step up is hate?"

out of my obviously saying we all hate *at times* to be pointing out where the team may need to "step up" and saying so should be ok?

do you really put the 2 comments in the same light?

I guess maybe the superiority posturing by your first post followed with your petulant answers puts me off.

You brought up hate. That word has no meaning when fans discuss their team.

Unless you're tossing out this new wave meaning that if you're not sucking at the trough of kool-aid you're a "hater."

Words have meaning. I take them at face value until you inform me your using gen-y speak. Then I ignore anything you have to say.

Now drop a couple of LOL's and a few l33t phrases and we can put this to bed.

 

[Bach]

I guess maybe the superiority posturing by your first post followed with your petulant answers puts me off.

You brought up hate. That word has no meaning when fans discuss their team.

Unless you're tossing out this new wave meaning that if you're not sucking at the trough of kool-aid you're a "hater."

Words have meaning. I take them at face value until you inform me your using gen-y speak. Then I ignore anything you have to say.

Now drop a couple of LOL's and a few l33t phrases and we can put this to bed.

 

[iceberg]

I guess maybe the superiority posturing by your first post followed with your petulant answers puts me off.

You brought up hate. That word has no meaning when fans discuss their team.

Unless you're tossing out this new wave meaning that if you're not sucking at the trough of kool-aid you're a "hater."

Words have meaning. I take them at face value until you inform me your using gen-y speak. Then I ignore anything you have to say.

Now drop a couple of LOL's and a few l33t phrases and we can put this to bed.

possibly. but you trying to say i said something i TOTALLY DID NOT SAY is kinda annoying also.

LOL
L33T

anything else to make you happy now?