Optimistic about O Line

fortdick

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,496
Reaction score
745
It is slow right now in the football world, and a lot of prognosticating about who will do what this season is filling time. There have been some predictions that the Boys will be world beaters, and some that they will be roadkill. Those that say TO will be a distraction are just haters. But those that say our O Line wasn't improved enough to make a run are not seeing the big picture.

First, we did strengthen our O Line with one very big acquisition; Flozell Adams. Prior to Flo going down with the knee injury, our offense was rated near the top of the NFL. With Flo back, we should be able to protect Bledsoe and buy him time to find some pretty good receivers.

Kosier is not Larry Allen. But then again, Larry Allen wasn't Larry Allen last year either. With Kosier at LG, we lose the explosion at the LOS that Larry gave us, but we gain a presence in the second level and the ability to pull - one of the main prerequisites for a LG. Heck, maybe we can even throw a screen pass now.

Riveria is healthy now, Pettiti has a year of experience and conditioning, Peterman and Gurode look to compete, and Columbo may sneak in if he is healthy. And let's not forget Fabini who can start right away if Pettiti doesn't show improvement.

All that is great, but what everyone is forgetting is the changes we have made in personnel at other positions. With TO and TG wide, and two tight ends that can catch, opposing defenses cannot continue to load up against the run. Instead of the eight man front we saw most of last year, we will be blocking seven, and probably six most of the season. I see the nickle becoming the base defense against the two TE offense. You have to double TO, and then play man up on Glenn, Witten, and either Fasano or Hannam.

This new personnel package and scheme will relieve a lot of pressure on the O Line. Against 4-3 defenses, that means no corner or safety blitzing. Against 3-4 defenses, pressure off the corners should be eased.

Taken as a whole, Parcells has done a great deal to help our O Line without adding a mess of new people. I think the threat of our passing game will open up the running game, and JJ will have the year we have all thought he was capable of.

JMHO.
 

The30YardSlant

Benched
Messages
24,287
Reaction score
0
We need to stop kidding ourselves, our O-Line, even if it performs well above expectations, will still be middle of the road, possible even bottom half of the league.

We have ONE potential probowler on our line (unless Rivera magically returns to his pre-2005 form), we don't even know which of our fumble-prone centers will start, our RG has a hard time blocking LBs, let alone DTs, and our RT is in the twilight of his career and coming off an injury.

I don't see how one can be overly optimistic about a line like that.
 

austintodallas

Consider Yourself Sucked
Messages
2,413
Reaction score
1
I agree with fortdick. The additions of TO and the increased two TE sets should take a lot of pressure off the line.
 

iceberg

rock music matters
Messages
34,404
Reaction score
7,932
HeavyHitta31 said:
We need to stop kidding ourselves, our O-Line, even if it performs well above expectations, will still be middle of the road, possible even bottom half of the league.

We have ONE potential probowler on our line (unless Rivera magically returns to his pre-2005 form), we don't even know which of our fumble-prone centers will start, our RG has a hard time blocking LBs, let alone DTs, and our RT is in the twilight of his career and coming off an injury.

I don't see how one can be overly optimistic about a line like that.

wow - we agree on something?
 

Vintage

The Cult of Jib
Messages
16,714
Reaction score
4,888
No, its a fact our OL is better.

Remember

Flozell > Tucker
Kosier > Allen
Fat Johnson > Skinny Johnson
Older Rivera > Rivera last year
Pettit > Pettiti

Or some foolish nonesense like that; proves it is a FACT!
 

burmafrd

Well-Known Member
Messages
43,820
Reaction score
3,379
Fabini started 119 straight games and a pectoral injury is not a leg injury.
The Hotel should be solid. Maybe even better then that.
Kosier will be able to reach people that LA could only look at.
Johnson - heavier and stronger- should be better as well.
RIvera appears to be healthy and that makes him a Pro Bowl guard.
Petitti is stronger and fitter and has experience.
Gurode knows that if he ever wants a big contract he has to produce this year.
Columbo is healthy and he was a first rd pick.
Peterman is also healthy and should show something.
Barring injuries- as always- I see our line maybe reaching top 10 in the NFL.
That should be more then enough to get the job done.
 

Chief

"Friggin Joke Monkey"
Messages
8,543
Reaction score
4
I don't see it.

First, you have to factor in the injuries that are inevitable. One, two or maybe three of these guys will probably get hurt. They may miss one or two games, or the whole season. Happens every year.

Flozell, an underachiever for most of his career, is going to be coming off of a major knee injury. Ask Erik Williams how difficult that is.

Rivera's back may be better, but he's not any younger.

Pettiti will be better, but he has nowhere to go but up.

Johnson has to play a lot better, IMO.

Gurode is an enigma.

Peterman has to show something or he's a bust.

And I don't think the ceiling is very high for Fabini or Kosier. The best we can hope for is that they're solid.

This clearly is the weak link of the team.
 

dmq

If I'm so pretty, why am I available?
Messages
7,436
Reaction score
941
I'll say this, no way will our OL be as bad as last year.
 

fortdick

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,496
Reaction score
745
HeavyHitta31 said:
We need to stop kidding ourselves, our O-Line, even if it performs well above expectations, will still be middle of the road, possible even bottom half of the league.

We have ONE potential probowler on our line (unless Rivera magically returns to his pre-2005 form), we don't even know which of our fumble-prone centers will start, our RG has a hard time blocking LBs, let alone DTs, and our RT is in the twilight of his career and coming off an injury.

I don't see how one can be overly optimistic about a line like that.

The scheme and receiving corp will ease the pressure that was brought last year. If you wered planning to play against the Boy's offense, how would you defend against the passing game? Are you going to cover all four receivers man to man? Zone? The quick pass to TO will stop all that.
 

The30YardSlant

Benched
Messages
24,287
Reaction score
0
Vintage said:
No, its a fact our OL is better.

Remember

Flozell > Tucker
Kosier > Allen
Fat Johnson > Skinny Johnson
Older Rivera > Rivera last year
Pettit > Pettiti

Or some foolish nonesense like that; proves it is a FACT!

Which isnt saying much
 

The30YardSlant

Benched
Messages
24,287
Reaction score
0
fortdick said:
The scheme and receiving corp will ease the pressure that was brought last year. If you wered planning to play against the Boy's offense, how would you defend against the passing game? Are you going to cover all four receivers man to man? Zone? The quick pass to TO will stop all that.

I've heard this every year for the last 3 years. I'll believe it when I see it.
 

burmafrd

Well-Known Member
Messages
43,820
Reaction score
3,379
Fabini started 119 games for a team that was usually a playoff team or at least a contender. SO that makes him VERY SOLID.
the Hotel is considered a top 10 to a top 5 LT by every publication, scout, etc.
Rivera is a multi pro bowl guard that was injured and now is healthy.
BY THE WAY- Erik's injury was a WHOLE LOT WORSE.
 

Vintage

The Cult of Jib
Messages
16,714
Reaction score
4,888
burmafrd said:
Kosier will be able to reach people that LA could only look at.

You mean take on LB's after the DT has already pushed him aside.

Johnson - heavier and stronger- should be better as well.

Being heavier makes up for lack of skill?

RIvera appears to be healthy and that makes him a Pro Bowl guard.

This one is my favorite. Being healthy makes him a Pro Bowl Guard. ****, our whole OL is Pro Bowl then.

Petitti is stronger and fitter and has experience.
Gurode has experience too....


Columbo is healthy and he was a first rd pick.

Mike Mamula is healthy and was a 1st round pick too. You don't see the Eagles clamoring for him. Mike Williams was the 5th overall draft pick; and not to many teams were interested in him either.

Peterman is also healthy and should show something.

Like what? How to ride the pine?

Barring injuries- as always- I see our line maybe reaching top 10 in the NFL.
That should be more then enough to get the job done.

Top 10? Oh God.....
 

The30YardSlant

Benched
Messages
24,287
Reaction score
0
burmafrd said:
Fabini started 119 games for a team that was usually a playoff team or at least a contender. SO that makes him VERY SOLID.

What kind of skewed logic is that?

Troy Hambrick was a starter on a playoff team, was he "solid"?
 

fortdick

Well-Known Member
Messages
6,496
Reaction score
745
Ya gotta remember where we were before Flo got hurt last eyar. We were at, or near the top, in offense. We have more depth, so we don't have to depend on a Tucker to fill in. Fabibi, Columbo, even McQuist are an improvement over Tucker. Heck, a blocking dummky would be better than Tucker! At least you would have to go around it.
 

Alexander

What's it going to be then, eh?
Messages
62,482
Reaction score
67,294
Vintage said:
You mean take on LB's after the DT has already pushed him aside.

At least Kosier will be able to get to the second level. Allen couldn't.

This one is my favorite. Being healthy makes him a Pro Bowl Guard. ****, our whole OL is Pro Bowl then.

When he was healthy he was. So--

Top 10? Oh God.....

Now this I agree with. We weren't top ten at any time last year and won't this year. That's wishful thinking. We just need to play middle of the road and let things come into place. Anything less spells disaster.
 

Vintage

The Cult of Jib
Messages
16,714
Reaction score
4,888
HeavyHitta31 said:
What kind of skewed logic is that?

Troy Hambrick was a starter on a playoff team, was he "solid"?

So was Quincy....:lmao:
 

burmafrd

Well-Known Member
Messages
43,820
Reaction score
3,379
Vintage - please try and see the light.
RIVERA IS A MULTI PRO BOWL GUARD. Do you GET THAT?
Johnson has a problem with big NT and DT's but he does the rest of the job very well.
Columbo was getting high marks before his injury.
Kosier had a lot of teams interested in him. We made him a priority- so right now I say he is a plus.
The potential is there for a top 10 line.
Just how hard is that for you to understand vintage? 6 Straight years as a starter for Fabini.
YES THAT MAKES HIM SOLID. If you cannot see that then your opinons are a joke.
 
Top