Optimistic about O Line

[Vintage]

I don't think anyone is saying they'll be as bad or worse.

That's almost impossible.

What I think we're saying is that this is still the team's weak link and could very well hold back the entire offense. There's a serious lack of talent in this group.

Quit. Your logic is unappreciated.

Clearly, I am wrong, and we have a top 10 OL.

I was just confused and didn't see all the talent hiding.

 

[burmafrd]

Heavy- I chalenge you to show me ONE PLAYER IN THE NFL that has not been embarrassed on one play. YET you judge Kosier on that play alone.
NOW THAT IS DUMB.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Vintage. SHOW ME WHERE KOSIER is just getting pushed aside?
SHOW ME. SHOW SOME PROOF. Otherwise you are nothing but hot air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEGbk5ILBII&search=kyle Kosier

Now have funn prying your foot from your mouth

 

[The30YardSlant]

The TALENT is there on the O line. Whether it can all be brought out and do we have the coaching to do it is more the question.

Talent? What talent?

 

[justbob]

The scheme and receiving corp will ease the pressure that was brought last year. If you wered planning to play against the Boy's offense, how would you defend against the passing game? Are you going to cover all four receivers man to man? Zone? The quick pass to TO will stop all that.

I think the scheme will help take pressure off the line to a degree. I believe
that a bigger,stronger,and heathy pettitti(?) --with16 games of experience
under his belt--will be much better then last. Add that to the scheme and
he should be have more sucess with less help.
Larry Allen was and has been toast for several years. I still think that
The boys think they have a young lineman that has turned the corner in Kosar
. He should be a improvement over Larry Allen and hopefully can slow down a few of the players that Flozell lets run buy. If Flozell wants to play, He can
still be very good.
With the watered down league and the lack of any real depth on most teams.
I think what we have is a line that will work --maybe not be great --but
will work. Add taht to the young hungry much we have on defense--
I see a better and brighter year. And thats my bright and shiny outlook on life under the Star:starspin

 

[Vintage]

Talent? What talent?

Columbo and Kosier and Peterman and Gurode and Johnson and Le PeTiti and Pro Bowl Health Rivera.....

 

[fortdick]

JJ was supposed to run all over the field last year as well. And when your line is so pitiful it cant block a rush 5 on 4, it doesnt matter how many weapons you have. You can have the best gameplan in the world, it doesnt mean anything if you dont have good players to run it with.

That did not answer the question. We faced a lot of eight man fronts last year. Witten was held back to block, and Key was not a threat deep. That left Glenn, who was doubled. With only two receivers in the pattern we were dead. Now, we have four at any given time. That is a huge difference.

Plus, we were one of the best offenses in the league until Flo went down. Just to say that our O Line was pitiful at the end of last year, so it will be pitiful this year is no argument.

 

[burmafrd]

One play is how you judge Kosier? Just one play?
Name me one player in the NFL that has NOT BEEN EMBARRASED on one play.
NAME ME ONE.

 

[Vintage]

I hope to God I am forced to eat crow on this next year...

I really do....I'd love nothing more than have to create a thread admitting I am wrong...

But I just don't think it will be necessary.

 

[Vintage]

One play is how you judge Kosier? Just one play?
Name me one player in the NFL that has NOT BEEN EMBARRASED on one play.
NAME ME ONE.

Peterman.

 

[Idgit]

I don't see it.

First, you have to factor in the injuries that are inevitable. One, two or maybe three of these guys will probably get hurt. They may miss one or two games, or the whole season. Happens every year.

Flozell, an underachiever for most of his career, is going to be coming off of a major knee injury. Ask Erik Williams how difficult that is.

Rivera's back may be better, but he's not any younger.

Pettiti will be better, but he has nowhere to go but up.

Johnson has to play a lot better, IMO.

Gurode is an enigma.

Peterman has to show something or he's a bust.

And I don't think the ceiling is very high for Fabini or Kosier. The best we can hope for is that they're solid.

This clearly is the weak link of the team.

Clearly the weak link of the team, but it's otherwise a pretty strong team. Gotta have a weakest link somewhere.

The line last year, when healthy, was pretty average. What I like about this year is that we've gone about adding versatility. Because Kosier can play anywhere but center, and Fabini can swing to either tackle position, and Gurode can play center or guard, we should be able to use our best 7 linemen most of the year, even when injuries crop up.

The trick is having a line that's flexible enough that you can count only ever playing your best linemen. It's not too difficult to get 7 decent or above-average linemen on a team. Backing up every starter with a starting-quality alternate is really hard to do.

Oh, and I think you're underestimating Johnson, Chief. He's a pretty solid player right now, and he benefits this year by finally being able to pull left. Mobility alone with he and Kosier makes our running game a lot less predictable.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

This clearly is the weak link of the team.

but it's not as weak as last year, the only spot that we haven't improved upon on the line is Rivera IMO

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You mean take on LB's after the DT has already pushed him aside.

all reports are that Kosier is strong, so I don't think he'll be getting pushed around alot

Being heavier makes up for lack of skill?

uh, that was his biggest knock, being light, I've never heard anything, or seen anything, that says that Johnson isn't skilled

This one is my favorite. Being healthy makes him a Pro Bowl Guard. ****, our whole OL is Pro Bowl then.

I'll give you that is our weakest link on the line

Gurode has experience too....

not in his head

Mike Mamula is healthy and was a 1st round pick too. You don't see the Eagles clamoring for him. Mike Williams was the 5th overall draft pick; and not to many teams were interested in him either.

DeMarcus Ware is healthy and was a 1st round pick, what's your point?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What kind of skewed logic is that?

Troy Hambrick was a starter on a playoff team, was he "solid"?

c'mon, Fabini was actually a huge contributor on those Jet playoff teams

 

[Vintage]

Columbo is several years removed from being 1st rounder.

Ware isn't. Furthermore, Ware actually lived up to being a 1st round pick. Columbo never did. So continually saying "Colombo was a 1st rounder" means little.

Fact of the matter is; he has never lived up to it; and is a backup on a team that has OL troubles.

 

[The30YardSlant]

That did not answer the question. We faced a lot of eight man fronts last year. Witten was held back to block, and Key was not a threat deep. That left Glenn, who was doubled. With only two receivers in the pattern we were dead. Now, we have four at any given time. That is a huge difference.

Plus, we were one of the best offenses in the league until Flo went down. Just to say that our O Line was pitiful at the end of last year, so it will be pitiful this year is no argument.

And we couldnt block half of them

 

[burmafrd]

I am familiar with Columbo- he was doing well untill his injury. AND HE HAD the talent and was a legitimate first rd pick. He has spent several years rehabbing AFTER the Bears team doctor MISDIAGNOSED his injury.

 

[wileedog]

Columbo is several years removed from being 1st rounder.

Ware isn't. Furthermore, Ware actually lived up to being a 1st round pick. Columbo never did. So continually saying "Colombo was a 1st rounder" means little.

Fact of the matter is; he has never lived up to it; and is a backup on a team that has OL troubles.

In fairness Columbo hasn't seen the field much due to a serious injury. There's no way he can be compared to the proven bustness that is Mike Williams.

Not saying that he's a lock to be anything good either, but the jury is still very much out.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Don't just focus on personnel. Think about game plan. HH31, again, how would you cover TO, Glen, and two TE's? I only see six defenders in the box against this offensive scheme. JJ runs all over the field. That is the point!

forget it, notice how everyone is just brushing that aside? it's because it's a good arse point

 

[burmafrd]

Up untill Flo went down Bledsoe was being mentioned for the Pro Bowl.
Now granted our run blocking was never very good- but it was serviceable mostly. Too many leakers got through to the backfield= mostly due to Rivera being unable to prevent it. Also more then a few got by LA as well.
If we can ratchet up the run blocking and match the pass blocking of early last season we will be good enough.