CFZ Options for moving on from Dak?

[starfan1]

So you think we could get a first round pick for him…then why are we cutting him? To get a first round pick (unproven) QB?

some people on here dont think things through. besides the fact no one is giving a first for Dak but yes the learning curve for a first rounder takes us out of win now window anyway, Dak is plenty good enough to captain the ship. Is he Mahomes? heck no but hes good enough.Id be more worried about our defense. Our OC who has a propensity to go stupid at crucial moments.

 

[CouchCoach]

Let’s assume you trade him, now what?

Do you trust these people to pick his successor or do you think they might actually do worse?

How about getting him a new OC and some better personnel to support him? Let”s see him without Moore before we pu a fork in him.

Booger has gone all in on Prescott, even building him up prior to contract negotiations. He is not going anywhere so all of the remedies should start with that.

 

[goshann]

some people on here dont think things through. besides the fact no one is giving a first for Dak but yes the learning curve for a first rounder takes us out of win now window anyway, Dak is plenty good enough to captain the ship. Is he Mahomes? heck no but hes good enough.Id be more worried about our defense. Our OC who has a propensity to go stupid at crucial moments.

Lol u are definitely getting a first for dak

 

[Captain-Crash]

Let’s assume you trade him, now what?

Do you trust these people to pick his successor or do you think they might actually do worse?

How about getting him a new OC and some better personnel to support him? Let”s see him without Moore before we pu a fork in him.

Booger has gone all in on Prescott, even building him up prior to contract negotiations. He is not going anywhere so all of the remedies should start with that.

What's the difference between losing with dak and losing with any other guy?

 

[Shane612]

That's the only thing that matters.

He isn't going anywhere for a few years.

First off, Jerry loves him, so he’s not going anywhere…

Does Jerry really "love" Dak, or does he really have a choice, but to say he does?
He IS kinda stuck with him. Jerry sees what's happening. He hears what others are saying...
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If Cowboys1966 is correct, it seems Dak has all the advantages, and that's a win for Dak....like it or not.

 

[plasticman]

There is o ly one way Fak gets replaced and it would be similar to the last time the starting QB was replaced.

It would have to be by accident. That is, the Cowboys draft a QB that turns out to be a steal and he balls out while Dak is recovering from an injury.

What the Ciwboys should have been doing is drafting a QB every three years so they can develop competition.

 

[starfan1]

Lol u are definitely getting a first for dak

puff puff PASS
ok if you say so. if hes so bad that everyone here is trying to get rid of him he aint getting no first. Id be extremely shocked. in fact many on here would rank him wose than 20 and you think hes pulling a first. He isnt going anywhere anyway

 

[75boyz]

Let’s assume you trade him, now what?

Do you trust these people to pick his successor or do you think they might actually do worse?

How about getting him a new OC and some better personnel to support him? Let”s see him without Moore before we pu a fork in him.

Booger has gone all in on Prescott, even building him up prior to contract negotiations. He is not going anywhere so all of the remedies should start with that.

The only problem is Jerry kinda handpicked this OC.
Like he similarly handpicked the previous OC that became HC for a decade.
Let's hope the pattern doesn't continue.
But I wouldn't bet against it.

 

[CouchCoach]

What's the difference between losing with dak and losing with any other guy?

1000 less threads.

 

[Captain-Crash]

1000 less threads.

other than that it will be the same. heck, bring back jason garrett. I have a few more years left so I can watch us lose.

 

[CouchCoach]

The only problem is Jerry kinda handpicked this OC.
Like he similarly handpicked the previous OC that became HC for a decade.
Let's hope the pattern doesn't continue.
But I wouldn't bet against it.

I think Booger feels discovering a coach is a short cut to being a "football man" and he can hang his hat on that. He crashed and burned the first time and has crashed so far with this coach.

I think Moore confuses play calling with controlling the game. That's where he and someone like Norv Turner differed, Turner was about controlling the game and winning it. But Turner wasn't on orders to make his QB a star.

 

[5Stars]

First off, Jerry loves him, so he’s not going anywhere… There’s also that nasty no trade clause…But what if…

Impossible
Cut this offseason, pre June 1. 89m in dead money.

Not impossible,
Cut this offseason, post June 1. There is no point to do this as his P5 is guaranteed. Literally no reason to do this…

Possible but kills our 23 offseason.
Trade this offseason, pre June 1. A little cheaper than Outright cutting him as his guaranteed p5 would move with him. Still 58m in dead money.

Plausible
Trade this off-season, post June 1. This is the sweet spot. We would save 31m in cap space for 2023. We would still have 40 million in Dead money, but it would be spread over future years 2024 - 2026.

Trade - You ask why would anybody trade for him? The answer is that since we would eat his remaining signing bonus, the acquiring team would get him on a two year 65m non guaranteed contract. There is actually value in that… Still that no trade clause though.

So there you have it. The only realistic option for 2023 is a post June 1 trade, that Dak agrees to. I think we could get a first round pick for for him… Maybe something like the Carson Wentz deal between Philly and Indy - a 23 third rounder and conditional 24 first rounder. .

Unfortunately there is no option. JJ is rolling with his wonder boy.

 

[5Stars]

Sadly they will restructure Dak's contract to add cap space next season which means Dak will be here for at least the next 3-4 years so there is no point to wishful thinking of moving on from Dak.

How depressing.

 

[TwoDeep3]

First off, Jerry loves him, so he’s not going anywhere… There’s also that nasty no trade clause…But what if…

Impossible
Cut this offseason, pre June 1. 89m in dead money.

Not impossible,
Cut this offseason, post June 1. There is no point to do this as his P5 is guaranteed. Literally no reason to do this…

Possible but kills our 23 offseason.
Trade this offseason, pre June 1. A little cheaper than Outright cutting him as his guaranteed p5 would move with him. Still 58m in dead money.

Plausible
Trade this off-season, post June 1. This is the sweet spot. We would save 31m in cap space for 2023. We would still have 40 million in Dead money, but it would be spread over future years 2024 - 2026.

Trade - You ask why would anybody trade for him? The answer is that since we would eat his remaining signing bonus, the acquiring team would get him on a two year 65m non guaranteed contract. There is actually value in that… Still that no trade clause though.

So there you have it. The only realistic option for 2023 is a post June 1 trade, that Dak agrees to. I think we could get a first round pick for for him… Maybe something like the Carson Wentz deal between Philly and Indy - a 23 third rounder and conditional 24 first rounder. .

And all the players who are on this team, like Parsons, that are young and coming into their own will see the team starting over and wonder how many years it will take to have a viable QB.

Not to mention the fact to get a viable QB you need to either be at the top of the first round, or get someone else's cast off. Where is the capital to get to the top of the 1st? Are you certain these guys can find an adequate replacement? How do you know the team will not see an exodus of players and coaches when you jettison all the work they have done to make the team play-off worthy?

And your idea you can get a first round pick for Dak ignores the fact you are dumping him, the league and talking heads are saying he is crap, and unless the team you are trading him to will have been in a time warp and hasn't seen the results you think is imperative to a trade, then your theory here is wishful thinking.

 

[75boyz]

I think Booger feels discovering a coach is a short cut to being a "football man" and he can hang his hat on that. He crashed and burned the first time and has crashed so far with this coach.

I think Moore confuses play calling with controlling the game. That's where he and someone like Norv Turner differed, Turner was about controlling the game and winning it. But Turner wasn't on orders to make his QB a star.

Yeah, history could repeat itself with the Garrett Part II Jerry Redemption Plan, aka promoting Moore to HC.
Not the biggest Moore fan boy but I'm also not in the full blown scapegoating him for all this year's failures as many here have jumped in on.

I guess, like you said but in reverse for me, I wonder how Moore would do with a different QB. Maybe not a total black and white explanation but you could at least compare the 2's performance from there.

Or they could both either stink it up or flourish without the other as well showing a 50-50 blame split.

jmo

 

[Portnoy1]

For the record Dak is going literally nowhere, but I’ll play the game. If you did your ideal scenario, Aaron Rogers will likely be an FA you can grab next year.

Im fairly certain he won’t mind going to the team with the least sacks and pressures allowed in 2022. Again, 0 belief Dak goes anywhere, but if you ask me, you could get serious draft capital for Dak and pick up an extra first and nab Rodgers.

Rodgers , the current Rodgers that is owns 2 teams, the cowboys and the bears. So if he comes here, we better hope we’re playing the bears 12 times in a season because the Rodgers of today can’t do a whole lot and comes with a bunch of drama too

 

[Hadenough]

Dak is here the next two years, not even a question.

We have no one to replace him with.

Hahahahaha what is wrong with just dumping him and playing Jacoby Brissett. Lot cheaper and results would be similar. Or gee why not roll with Rush for a year and draft a QB. Either way careers are wasted with Dak, Rush or Brissett. Remember when I said trade up to draft Lawrence and people said oh he isn't as good as Dak. This team would be so much better off with a guy like Lawrence than with Dak and Parsons.

 

[starfan1]

Hahahahaha what is wrong with just dumping him and playing Jacoby Brissett. Lot cheaper and results would be similar. Or gee why not roll with Rush for a year and draft a QB. Either way careers are wasted with Dak, Rush or Brissett. Remember when I said trade up to draft Lawrence and people said oh he isn't as good as Dak. This team would be so much better off with a guy like Lawrence than with Dak and Parsons.

does lawrence play defense? some of yall are blind

 

[Hadenough]

does lawrence play defense? some of yall are blind

He would help the defense more than Dak did the second half. Way more talented player and has pedigree.

 

[starfan1]

He would help the defense more than Dak did the second half. Way more talented player and has pedigree.

Sure he’s more talented he should be he was the number 1 pick . As much as you all want complain oh Dak oh Dak he’s not the main issue

he played great Sunday barring 1 throw . Defense is the problem again and injuries are part of it but it’s gonna be the defense that sends us home