Orlando Scandrick

[Idgit]

...With that being said, do you, or anyone else, have an answer for the two questions i posed above?

If so, it may actually help solve the debate of how good a slot corner Scandrick really is.

I don't. But then, like I said, I stopped taking your posts seriously when it became clear that you just want to complain about a player without any appreciation for the actual context.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Citing completion percentages is certainly not babbling.

In fact, that was my question to begin with. I'd honestly love to hear what some of the other slot corners completion percentages against were last year if anyone would post that information, that would be great. It would actually be the first relevant fact proposed toward ending this discussion.

Fine. We can grant that top slot corner is not proven by those figures alone. That does not mean anything more than that ie the opposite is not necessarily true. However it does disprove your assertions as to poor play. You are doing the proverbial 'missing the forest for a tree.' Belaboring a point to obfuscate the issue etc.

A 51% completion percentage with a 5.7 YPA is outstanding in my view.

 

[Bleu Star]

I really don't understand the hate for Scandrick here. When healthy he's one of the top slot cornerbacks in the league. I guess people like to latch onto the one bad game he had last year (Atlanta) and crucify him for that.

I love me some OScan..

But I am also equally excited about Webb, Wilcox, and Holloman.

Competition is the greatest motivator... I think it's time that statement goes in my sig.

 

[Chuck 54]

I think he is here for one more year and if Webb pans out he will be gone next year. The next play Scandrick makes will be his first.

Guess you don't remember his int for a TD that saved a game for us.

 

[Wood]

I really don't understand the hate for Scandrick here. When healthy he's one of the top slot cornerbacks in the league. I guess people like to latch onto the one bad game he had last year (Atlanta) and crucify him for that.

I think he signed a contract that suggested he should be one of better slot corner backs in league. But reality is that he is wildly inconsistent and is either injuring someone else or getting injured himself. He would be great on really good defense like Balt or Pitts but in Dallas he gets exposed.

 

[gmoney112]

Dude I don't need stats I actually watch the games. How much of that number is skewed by drops and over/under thrown balls? Whenever a team needs a 1st down and the game is on the wire it's typically a completed pass on Oscan....

Dude...bro... the slot is the hardest position to cover on the entire field. There's a reason why in go-to situations the slot wr is targetted. Do you even watch football?

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Fine. We can grant that top slot corner is not proven by those figures alone. That does not mean anything more than that ie the opposite is not necessarily true. However it does disprove your assertions as to poor play. You are doing the proverbial 'missing the forest for a tree.' Belaboring a point to obfuscate the issue etc.

A 51% completion percentage with a 5.7 YPA is outstanding in my view.

If you actually take the time to read my posts in the thread, you'll see i agree with you.

My main issue in this thread was with a poster who quoted an article that was written by a reporter who chose not to do the work to prove his statements, and take that article to try and prove that Scandrick was a "top slot corner in the NFL" when there is not enough relevant "stats/facts" in the article to say one way or the other.

I don't happen to think a 51 percent completion percentage against is bad, but if you happen to think that makes him "remarkable" in coverage (like the reporter claimed) or that it makes him a "top slot CB in the NFL" (as the poster claimed) how about you take the time to actually do the research and prove it to us, instead of stopping halfway and hoping everyone takes your word for it.

That being said, i still have my doubts that Scandrick is a "top slot CB in the NFL" based on watching his play in recent years and the fact that he only played 11 games last year when he had what seems to be a solid season for us. I don't think if we reviewed his entire body of work, not just last season, it would be nearly as consistent looking.

If he gives us a solid year next season, i might start to believe he is actually improving and it would make it much easier to buy that he is one of the better slot guys in the NFL.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I don't. But then, like I said, I stopped taking your posts seriously..

That's great, man.. how about you keep repeating it for everybody while you attempt to take this thread off track with more babbling?

Or if you'd like to actually contribute something of substance to the thread, you could attempt to inform the board as to what some other slot cornerbacks completion percentages against were in 2012 so that we could then compare the stat given to us for Scandrick with some others to actually prove he was one of the best in the league last season.

Either way.. but im waiting for someone to actually give that information because without it, the article posted, and the opinion that Scandrick is one of the "top slot CB's in the NFL" are statements that are simply unproven and not backed up with enough relevent facts.

 

[CF74]

Dude...bro... the slot is the hardest position to cover on the entire field. There's a reason why in go-to situations the slot wr is targetted. Do you even watch football?

Yeah dude..

 

[Idgit]

That's great, man.. how about you keep repeating it for everybody while you attempt to take this thread off track with more babbling?..

I wasn't taking the thread off track. I'm just getting in line with the others who are telling you you're complaining about nothing here. And I'm only repeating it because you keep replying without ever supporting your position.

It's fine if you choose to believe what you choose to believe without any actual reasons. But you explicitly ask people for evidence:

I'd absolutely LOVE to hear some kind of credible argument to back that up, some kind of facts or statistics that you've seen that allow you to make a statement [that Scandrick is a top slot CB] like that seriously. -RoyTheHammer

And you get a ton of direct responses from multiple posters.

Then you disregard the answers to your first question and instead follow up with a post that makes it clear that you have *no* idea what completions %s and YPAs looked like for slot guys in 2012. And follow *that* up by making it clear you also have no idea what Oscan's numbers look like from previous seasons.

The obvious question is, if you have zero idea of the relevant context from last season, and zero idea of the relevant context for Oscan from one season to the next, then why in the world are you boring us with your observations that you'd like to see him gone because it would save you money on Advil?

And, yes, I understand that I'm not contributing to the Scandrick statistics here. I chose to enter this thread simply to point out that you asked for supporting evidence, got it, ignored most of it, and then turned around and asked other posters to color in the rest of the coloring book for you.

All of which is perfectly fine if you hadn't entered the thread in the first place by condescending to Titleist...who promptly put you in your place. If you're going to take that sort of position with other posters, in my opinion, you should be expected to hold up your side of the argument.

And you're clearly not.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you actually take the time to read my posts in the thread, you'll see i agree with you.

My main issue in this thread was with a poster who quoted an article that was written by a reporter who chose not to do the work to prove his statements, and take that article to try and prove that Scandrick was a "top slot corner in the NFL" when there is not enough relevant "stats/facts" in the article to say one way or the other.

I don't happen to think a 51 percent completion percentage against is bad, but if you happen to think that makes him "remarkable" in coverage (like the reporter claimed) or that it makes him a "top slot CB in the NFL" (as the poster claimed) how about you take the time to actually do the research and prove it to us, instead of stopping halfway and hoping everyone takes your word for it.

That being said, i still have my doubts that Scandrick is a "top slot CB in the NFL" based on watching his play in recent years and the fact that he only played 11 games last year when he had what seems to be a solid season for us. I don't think if we reviewed his entire body of work, not just last season, it would be nearly as consistent looking.

If he gives us a solid year next season, i might start to believe he is actually improving and it would make it much easier to buy that he is one of the better slot guys in the NFL.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct

A 51% for a QB wouldn't put him even in the top 32. Same goes for the 5.77 YPA.

Now this depends on is where the stats came from. If it's pff then their methodology is awful IMO. Stats Inc OTOH...

 

[coult44]

If he has to stay, put him on ST only....And not any of them that require running to the play or making a tackle...

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I don't know how much money it would save the Cowboys, but i know for sure it would save me alot of money on Advil costs over the course of the season.

I needed hydrocodone.

 

[AllProRico]

I don't know how much money it would save the Cowboys, but i know for sure it would save me alot of money on Advil costs over the course of the season.

Dude we're Cowboys fans so you aren't saving much if we "get rid" of Scandrick. I know if I wasn't a fan of Dallas, i'd probably save a bunch of money on High Blood Pressure medicine but thems the breaks

 

[muck4doo]

I needed hydrocodone.

Yeah, this thread gives me a headache. OS isn't a horrible player, just wondering if he is worth the money, and who would we get instead.

 

[TheSport78]

Yeah, this thread gives me a headache. OS isn't a horrible player, just wondering if he is worth the money, and who would we get instead.

Yup and there's absolutely no way he is worth the money.

Scandrick is a one trick pony. He's a solid slot corner, but he doesn't have the ability or size to play on the outside. You don't pay those players multi-year lucrative contracts.

 

[Idgit]

Yup and there's absolutely no way he is worth the money.

Scandrick is a one trick pony. He's a solid slot corner, but he doesn't have the ability or size to play on the outside. You don't pay those players multi-year lucrative contracts.

What do you think is an appropriate amount to pay a slot CB in the NFL? Given that the slot CB spot is one of the most difficult spots to play, you have a problem with the $2M base for 2013? Or was it the $10M guaranteed?

The contract, at the time we gave it to him, was a solid deal for a long-term starter at a key position. If you're going to have a problem with Scandrick's money, it should probably be in 2014 when it jumps to $3.5M or 2015 when it goes to $5M.