Orlovsky breaks down Dak's 15 interceptions from last season

[TheMarathonContinues]

I told you https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ . Stop prevaricating.

Because I asked you a simple question? I must’ve missed you saying it.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

For goodness sake, ive given you: Allen, Stafford and Cousins ......probably the three 'closest' contemporary comparisons. All are career stats, so Stafford and Cousins include some ropey offenses.

What do you want from me? I straight up said I can’t argue against it if the stats are correct. Now if you don’t mind I’m going to look at the stats and see where others rank in comparison.

 

[CowboyoWales]

What do you want from me? I straight up said I can’t argue against it if the stats are correct. Now if you don’t mind I’m going to look at the stats and see where others rank in comparison.

I'll wait for your response. I must say you've lost a lot of your usual bravado on your defense of Dak, which is refreshing, as it appears an aspect of his game that cant be ignored. I thought Cousins, Stafford and Allen were perfect comparisons......all players that are usually used in Dak hate/support threads.

 

[HungryLion]

I must be confused, isn't 11 + 8 =19
11 of the 15th were when we needed 10 plus yards.
The other eight were in third and long.

And I should listen to this guy

You definitely are confused.

He stated 11 were in situations needing over 10 yards. 8 were 3rd and long.

The 8, 3rd and longs can also be situations where you need 10+ yards.

So it’s not 11+8

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'll wait for your response. I must say you've lost a lot of your usual bravado on your defense of Dak, which is refreshing, as it appears an aspect of his game that cant be ignored. I thought Cousins, Stafford and Allen were perfect comparisons......all players that are usually used in Dak hate/support threads.

I support what my eyes see. If someone brings stats to the table i don’t argue against stats unless there’s holes there. My usual bravado? Interesting observation lol.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I support what my eyes see. If someone brings stats to the table i don’t argue against stats unless there’s holes there. My usual bravado? Interesting observation lol.

Lol, you do tend to argue most vociferously on most every Dak thread. I dont mind the support Dak position, so long as fans acknowledge the bad with the good.

As ive said this 'clutch' situation appears to be his kryptonite....but maybe, just maybe, a WCO (or TCO) where the decision making is taken away from him will help as he doesnt feel as if it's on him to (over)perform in those clutch scenarios.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Lol, you do tend to argue most vociferously on most every Dak thread. I dont mind the support Dak position, so long as fans acknowledge the bad with the good.

As ive said this 'clutch' situation appears to be his kryptonite....but maybe, just maybe, a WCO (or TCO) where the decision making is taken away from him will help as he doesnt feel as if it's on him to (over)perform in those clutch scenarios.

Well it’s flawed in the sense you showed stats for when they are losing within 4 and 2 minutes left in the game right? That’s not the only situations that are considered clutch moments. If a team is tied with 4 minutes left is that not a clutch moments?

And for the record I only argue in the “Dak sucks” threads that have no stats to back the claim up. Just opinion based threads.

 

[StarOfGlory]

Or Gallup can win his route.

You are keeping the faith I see. It's just not something I would count on going forward.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You are keeping the faith I see. It's just not something I would count on going forward.

Which part? On that particular play Gallup whether he was hurt or not ran that route incredibly sloppy.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Well it’s flawed in the sense you showed stats for when they are losing within 4 and 2 minutes left in the game right? That’s not the only situations that are considered clutch moments. If a team is tied with 4 minutes left is that not a clutch moments?

And for the record I only argue in the “Dak sucks” threads that have no stats to back the claim up. Just opinion based threads.

Seriously is that all you've got??? It may not be the only 'clutch moment', but it's as clutch as you can get as he cant just rely on the 'same 'ole' he needs to be accurate.

Splitting hairs about being tied, ff. The reason that being tied isnt 'as CLUTCH' is that in those circumstances he has the fall back that at least a FG will take the lead. Trailing and >2min remaining is the ULTIMATE clutch scenario, it's score or lose. (BTW, there's also the INT stats with the heavy propensity of 3rd Downs and 10/10+ yards).

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Seriously is that all you've got??? It may not be the only 'clutch moment', but it's as clutch as you can get as he cant just rely on the 'same 'ole' he needs to be accurate.

Splitting hairs about being tied, ff. The reason that being tied isnt 'as CLUTCH' is that in those circumstances he has the fall back that at least a FG will take the lead. Trailing and >2min remaining is the ULTIMATE clutch scenario, it's score or lose. (BTW, there's also the INT stats with the heavy propensity of 3rd Downs and 10/10+ yards).

So let me understand this if Dak is losing by 14 points under 2 minutes that’s considered a clutch moment but if the game is tied and under isn’t the ultimate clutch scenario?

Btw, do you have a direct link to those under 2 minute stats? Can’t seem to find them when I go to pro football reference.

 

[CowboyoWales]

So let me understand this if Dak is losing by 14 points under 2 minutes that’s considered a clutch moment but if the game is tied and under isn’t the ultimate clutch scenario?

Btw, do you have a direct link to those under 2 minute stats? Can’t seem to find them when I go to pro football reference.

Oooooo that sounds like you're questioning the stats, are you so incapable that you cant find them, you're not standing up well as the poster boy for defending Dak.. So is your argument that the stats arent accurate, or you dont think they're clutch.

You appear to want to nitpick around the figures rather rather than accepting that a 55 Rating when trailing >2 min remaining is appalling.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01/splits/

 

[Outlaw Heroes]

So let me understand this if Dak is losing by 14 points under 2 minutes that’s considered a clutch moment but if the game is tied and under isn’t the ultimate clutch scenario?

Btw, do you have a direct link to those under 2 minute stats? Can’t seem to find them when I go to pro football reference.

Dak's career split's page (he doesn't do well when the game is tied with less than 2 minutes either):

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01/splits/

Tony Romo's:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00/splits/

 

[GINeric]

I know, another Dak thread but this covers an issue we all have concerns....
I guess the question is whether or not it answers any concerns regarding the interceptions being an exception or a real problem.

Pretty good breakdown, but what's puzzling is..... if Orlovsky was so good at analyzing the field as a quarterback, why was he on the bench so much in his career?


Dak already had a better career and better pay than Orlovsky could have ever had, but he's a quarterback guru now?

Lol!! I wonder why nobody is knocking down his door to come work with their quarterbacks...

 

[GINeric]

It's year 8.

He is what he is.

He peaked in 2016.

There's many good quarterbacks who played only 6 full healthy seasons of football and had the same or even less playoff success at this same point in Dak's career.

People like Brees, P. Manning, M. Stafford, M. Ryan. Its funny how you never explained why things were simular for these quarterbacks within the same time frame. Your agenda gets easily crushed everytime. Make it difficult for me next time kid.

Hey are you going out to Richmond, VA this year for training camp? You better get one more pic with Snyder because he's selling the team.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Dead Cat Alert. The problem is that you can deny or deflect as much as you want, however, you yourself admit he isnt ELITE.....well (FOR ME), these clutch stats are the reason he's unable to reach Elite Status. The problem for certain elements of the fanbase is that these stats dont/cant be passed off onto other aspects of the team (as they are Career stats with a variety of offenses). It's something Dak is weak (possibly with a 55 Rating) very weak at.

Ignore it, deny it or dismiss it all you like, but it's not going away.....it's something Dak has to improve.

Dude...dduuuddee. what's with all emotion and anger. I was throwing a little sarcasm in there and you have gone ballistic. Let me venmo you some money and you go out and have a couple of beers on me.

Now, I do appreciate you contributing to the thread to get to page 18....

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So let me understand this if Dak is losing by 14 points under 2 minutes that’s considered a clutch moment but if the game is tied and under isn’t the ultimate clutch scenario?

Btw, do you have a direct link to those under 2 minute stats? Can’t seem to find them when I go to pro football reference.

There is and has been a "close and late" stat for decades. Try that one.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dak's career split's page (he doesn't do well when the game is tied with less than 2 minutes either):

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01/splits/

Tony Romo's:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RomoTo00/splits/

Oooooo that sounds like you're questioning the stats, are you so incapable that you cant find them, you're not standing up well as the poster boy for defending Dak.. So is your argument that the stats arent accurate, or you dont think they're clutch.

You appear to want to nitpick around the figures rather rather than accepting that a 55 Rating when trailing >2 min remaining is appalling.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01/splits/

So i've been analyzying these stats..They are abysmal indeed.....but I kept asking for the links because I knew there's something there that i'm not seeing. So looking at the link presented....I decided to look at his stats in 2022.

2022:

Trailing, < 2 min to go - 75% Completion Rate, 105 QB Rate
Trailing, < 4 min to go - 88% Completion Rate 148.1 QB Rating

Tells a completely different story than the one you painted @CowboyoWales but then I thought....you know what? He got hurt in 2022 so maybe the stats were skewed somewhat. So then I went to 2021....

2021:
Trailing, < 2 min to go - 67% Completion rate 87 QB Rating
Trailing, < 4 min to go - 65% Completion rate and 95.3 QB Rating

Once again...paints a completely different picture that he's this terrible performer in the clutch.

 

[CowboyoWales]

So i've been analyzying these stats..They are abysmal indeed.....but I kept asking for the links because I knew there's something there that i'm not seeing. So looking at the link presented....I decided to look at his stats in 2022.

2022:

Trailing, < 2 min to go - 75% Completion Rate, 105 QB Rate
Trailing, < 4 min to go - 88% Completion Rate 148.1 QB Rating

Tells a completely different story than the one you painted @CowboyoWales but then I thought....you know what? He got hurt in 2022 so maybe the stats were skewed somewhat. So then I went to 2021....

2021:
Trailing, < 2 min to go - 67% Completion rate 87 QB Rating
Trailing, < 4 min to go - 65% Completion rate and 95.3 QB Rating

Once again...paints a completely different picture that he's this terrible performer in the clutch.

That's the reason why stats, without analysis is next to useless........

The 2022, 3 for 4, came in which game.....the Texans, hardly an achievement or statement performance, though give him his due he beat up on the weak.

Then the 2021 stats (22 for 32), something like 16 for 24 came in 'blow out' lost games (Chiefs and Bronco's) where we trailed by more than a TD and PRESSURE WAS OFF. The other interesting aspect of the performances >2min is the reliance on long Gregg the Leg FG .....and that Cooper Rush was the only QB to manage a TB on a >2min drive when trailing.

The relevance of the 55 Rating is the outcome relevance is the outcome, not the stat. Stats mean nothing if they dont accumulate and achieve anything.

 

[CowboyoWales]

So i've been analyzying these stats..They are abysmal indeed.....but I kept asking for the links because I knew there's something there that i'm not seeing. So looking at the link presented....I decided to look at his stats in 2022.

2022:

Trailing, < 2 min to go - 75% Completion Rate, 105 QB Rate
Trailing, < 4 min to go - 88% Completion Rate 148.1 QB Rating

Tells a completely different story than the one you painted @CowboyoWales but then I thought....you know what? He got hurt in 2022 so maybe the stats were skewed somewhat. So then I went to 2021....

2021:
Trailing, < 2 min to go - 67% Completion rate 87 QB Rating
Trailing, < 4 min to go - 65% Completion rate and 95.3 QB Rating

Once again...paints a completely different picture that he's this terrible performer in the clutch.

That's the reason why stats, without analysis is next to useless........

Then the 2021 stats (22 for 32), something like 16 for 24 came in 'blow out' lost games (Chiefs and Bronco's) where we trailed by more than a TD and PRESSURE WAS OFF.

....another example of the meaningless Dak stats is the LVR game 2021. The two minute offense produced a very respectable rating for Dak 6 for 9, but the drive ended in a Zuerlein FG = eventually lost. The 66% >2min completion means nothing when we lose.