Orlovsky breaks down Dak's 15 interceptions from last season

[SteveTheCowboy]

Oh boy. Hmmmm....let me try and explain.

A "ceiling"... is a measure of how GOOD someone can be...at their best.

Like.... let's say u love golf, and play all the time. On your best day, when ur really focused and feeling it...you can score a 75. But despite all ur practice and time on the course....ur average score is 85. You're even capable of a 100 on bad days. You will never break 70....you just don't have the g*d-given athleticism, flexibility and eye hand coordination to do it.

As a golfer, your ceiling is mid 70s
Your floor is 100.
You're average / mean is 85.

Ceiling = mid 70s. You have done it. It's rare...(maybe one in every 15 rounds or so)..but u can do it, and you have. That's ur best. Ur ceiling.

2017 was Wentz's 75 on the course. He's played 8 seasons...with the one great one. That's Wentz's CEILING. Last year was his floor.

I'm surprised you wasted your time trying to explain that.

Go tOSU!

 

[Mr Cowboy]

I trust Mike Martz's take more that this moron!

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

I'm surprised you wasted your time trying to explain that.

Go tOSU!

It's never a waste of time to try an educate someone.

Except in this case.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's never a waste of time to try an educate someone.

Except in this case.

Be mature. Just because we disagree doesn’t mean you have to be a ******* about it.

I'm surprised you wasted your time trying to explain that.

Go tOSU!

You can mind your business you’re sensitive about anything someone says to you so you really should mind your business.

 

[DandyDon52]

no worries , dak is the best mistake corrector jerry had ever seen !!

 

[CowboyoWales]

Exactly lol. Optimistically waiting to see that as well.

There you go.....knock yourself out.

Career figures...... against players that always seem to be his comparisons

Dak - >2 min (trail) Att 150 Rating= 55.................. >4 (trail) Att 258, Rating = 73
Cousins - >2 min.....Att 256 Rating = 81 ................. >4......... Att 418 Rating = 86
Stafford - >2 min... Att 329 Rating = 85 ................. >4 ......... Att 604 Rating = 85
Allen - >2 min........ Att 90 Rating = 96 ................. >4.......... Att 149 Rating = 96

Just for those that see 'Hater' in every post, it's not a comparison between Dak et al, it's showing that this is the area in which he struggles. Now we can say there's other factors (YES), but it still doesnt overcome the fact that in Dak's career, with different rosters, OC's and schemes, appear to struggle.

Yes @vlad I agree the figures are so extreme (especially when Dak's Rating when leading with >4mins is something like 146) that they seem to indicate a specific concern. This why there appears such a divide between his great figures (reg. season and when leading) and verses figures when performing under mental pressure/stress.

 

[CowboyoWales]

There you go.....knock yourself out.

Career figures...... against players that always seem to be his comparisons

Dak - >2 min (trail) Att 150 Rating= 55.................. >4 (trail) Att 258, Rating = 73
Cousins - >2 min.....Att 256 Rating = 81 ................. >4......... Att 418 Rating = 86
Stafford - >2 min... Att 329 Rating = 85 ................. >4 ......... Att 604 Rating = 85
Allen - >2 min........ Att 90 Rating = 96 ................. >4.......... Att 149 Rating = 96

Just for those that see 'Hater' in every post, it's not a comparison between Dak et al, it's showing that this is the area in which he struggles. Now we can say there's other factors (YES), but it still doesnt overcome the fact that in Dak's career, with different rosters, OC's and schemes, appear to struggle.

Yes @vlad I agree the figures are so extreme (especially when Dak's Rating when leading with >4mins is something like 146) that they seem to indicate a specific concern. This why there appears such a divide between his great figures (reg. season and when leading) and verses figures when performing under mental pressure/stress.

Now @TheMarathonContinues we can argue our subjectivity, but we cant IGNORE those stats. What that indicates is regardless of: OC's, WEAPONS, Scheme's ......Dak's composure appears to be a concern (further highlighted in the majority of the 2022 INT's coming 3rd D and/or Long yardage).

The bottom line is that we are basing our progression on LUCK/HOPE, that we arent trailing late on. I realize it's not insurmountable, though if I, some British guy who's never played the game can see this then EVERY team is aware of this.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This is only the 4th Dak interception thread. And only on page 5...... If it was the 10th such thread I could understand you all losing steam come on people let's regurgitate it all again....it should be to page 18 by now

 

[CowboyoWales]

This is only the 4th Dak interception thread. And only on page 5...... If it was the 10th such thread I could understand you all losing steam come on people let's regurgitate it all again....it should be to page 18 by now

Dead Cat Alert. The problem is that you can deny or deflect as much as you want, however, you yourself admit he isnt ELITE.....well (FOR ME), these clutch stats are the reason he's unable to reach Elite Status. The problem for certain elements of the fanbase is that these stats dont/cant be passed off onto other aspects of the team (as they are Career stats with a variety of offenses). It's something Dak is weak (possibly with a 55 Rating) very weak at.

Ignore it, deny it or dismiss it all you like, but it's not going away.....it's something Dak has to improve.

 

[vlad]

There you go.....knock yourself out.

Career figures...... against players that always seem to be his comparisons

Dak - >2 min (trail) Att 150 Rating= 55.................. >4 (trail) Att 258, Rating = 73
Cousins - >2 min.....Att 256 Rating = 81 ................. >4......... Att 418 Rating = 86
Stafford - >2 min... Att 329 Rating = 85 ................. >4 ......... Att 604 Rating = 85
Allen - >2 min........ Att 90 Rating = 96 ................. >4.......... Att 149 Rating = 96

Just for those that see 'Hater' in every post, it's not a comparison between Dak et al, it's showing that this is the area in which he struggles. Now we can say there's other factors (YES), but it still doesnt overcome the fact that in Dak's career, with different rosters, OC's and schemes, appear to struggle.

Yes @vlad I agree the figures are so extreme (especially when Dak's Rating when leading with >4mins is something like 146) that they seem to indicate a specific concern. This why there appears such a divide between his great figures (reg. season and when leading) and verses figures when performing under mental pressure/stress.

That’s awesome man -thanks for the time fishing all this out. Is there a website i can use for this type of stuff?

Btw i wasnt talking s, not my style, was genuinely appreciative and curious.

Also one of my best friends is from Wales. lol

 

[vlad]

There you go.....knock yourself out.

Career figures...... against players that always seem to be his comparisons

Dak - >2 min (trail) Att 150 Rating= 55.................. >4 (trail) Att 258, Rating = 73
Cousins - >2 min.....Att 256 Rating = 81 ................. >4......... Att 418 Rating = 86
Stafford - >2 min... Att 329 Rating = 85 ................. >4 ......... Att 604 Rating = 85
Allen - >2 min........ Att 90 Rating = 96 ................. >4.......... Att 149 Rating = 96

Just for those that see 'Hater' in every post, it's not a comparison between Dak et al, it's showing that this is the area in which he struggles. Now we can say there's other factors (YES), but it still doesnt overcome the fact that in Dak's career, with different rosters, OC's and schemes, appear to struggle.

Yes @vlad I agree the figures are so extreme (especially when Dak's Rating when leading with >4mins is something like 146) that they seem to indicate a specific concern. This why there appears such a divide between his great figures (reg. season and when leading) and verses figures when performing under mental pressure/stress.

That is pretty damning compared to those viewed as similar. I really thought he was liking up stats during garbage time…which makes me wonder when he’s actually piling those up, unless we’re leading that much of the time as that 146 implies. Thx again man

 

[Captain-Crash]

the glitch or just chokes?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Be mature. Just because we disagree doesn’t mean you have to be a ******* about it.

You can mind your business you’re sensitive about anything someone says to you so you really should mind your business.

I will decide what's my business.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

There you go.....knock yourself out.

Career figures...... against players that always seem to be his comparisons

Dak - >2 min (trail) Att 150 Rating= 55.................. >4 (trail) Att 258, Rating = 73
Cousins - >2 min.....Att 256 Rating = 81 ................. >4......... Att 418 Rating = 86
Stafford - >2 min... Att 329 Rating = 85 ................. >4 ......... Att 604 Rating = 85
Allen - >2 min........ Att 90 Rating = 96 ................. >4.......... Att 149 Rating = 96

Just for those that see 'Hater' in every post, it's not a comparison between Dak et al, it's showing that this is the area in which he struggles. Now we can say there's other factors (YES), but it still doesnt overcome the fact that in Dak's career, with different rosters, OC's and schemes, appear to struggle.

Yes @vlad I agree the figures are so extreme (especially when Dak's Rating when leading with >4mins is something like 146) that they seem to indicate a specific concern. This why there appears such a divide between his great figures (reg. season and when leading) and verses figures when performing under mental pressure/stress.

Where are these stats coming from is what I asked? Where are you getting them from?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I will decide what's my business.

Yeah that wasn’t your business I decided for you.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Now @TheMarathonContinues we can argue our subjectivity, but we cant IGNORE those stats. What that indicates is regardless of: OC's, WEAPONS, Scheme's ......Dak's composure appears to be a concern (further highlighted in the majority of the 2022 INT's coming 3rd D and/or Long yardage).

The bottom line is that we are basing our progression on LUCK/HOPE, that we arent trailing late on. I realize it's not insurmountable, though if I, some British guy who's never played the game can see this then EVERY team is aware of this.

We been doing that since almost Dak Day 1. Jerry even said "don't mess with a streak". Running one of the world's greatest empires on...Vegas luck?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Now @TheMarathonContinues we can argue our subjectivity, but we cant IGNORE those stats. What that indicates is regardless of: OC's, WEAPONS, Scheme's ......Dak's composure appears to be a concern (further highlighted in the majority of the 2022 INT's coming 3rd D and/or Long yardage).

The bottom line is that we are basing our progression on LUCK/HOPE, that we arent trailing late on. I realize it's not insurmountable, though if I, some British guy who's never played the game can see this then EVERY team is aware of this.

If the stats are correct I can’t argue for it. In order for me to get a broader picture I need to see his stats and where he compares with others in that same time frame.

 

[CowboyoWales]

That is pretty damning compared to those viewed as similar. I really thought he was liking up stats during garbage time…which makes me wonder when he’s actually piling those up, unless we’re leading that much of the time as that 146 implies. Thx again man

Yep, if nothing else it needs serious consideration. He is an excellent Bus Drive, so long as the bus is running perfectly. What I could never understand is that Dak Regardless Fans would deflect blame to: Scheme's, Weapons, OC's, O-Line's, running game, receivers, but that he can overcome those external deficiencies in lesser games and scenario's but finds it difficult to step up in the more crucial scenario's.

the glitch or just chokes?

No idea, but what i'd guess, that as he can perform when in his comfort zone he suffers from apprehension (turning possibly into internal panic) as soon as he has to extend himself or when he has to think. The INT's situation and throwing into tight windows again potentially enhances the apprehension he has when he has to rely on his talents

 

[CowboyoWales]

Where are these stats coming from is what I asked? Where are you getting them from?

I told you https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ . Stop prevaricating.

 

[CowboyoWales]

If the stats are correct I can’t argue for it. In order for me to get a broader picture I need to see his stats and where he compares with others in that same time frame.

For goodness sake, ive given you: Allen, Stafford and Cousins ......probably the three 'closest' contemporary comparisons. All are career stats, so Stafford and Cousins include some ropey offenses.