OT: Breaking News on the gambling story...

[BrAinPaiNt]

I know that... you are mistaking my post... I was also referring to a previous post...

My point was that gambling is legal about everywhere... being part of an illegal gambling operation is risky business, especially when you are a player or coach...

If betting is a person's thing, and they want to do it on the up and up, then why not bet legally...

This thing could get VERY ugly before it is over...

Gambling is legal in many places as you said, and then there are places where it technically is not legal but for the most part nobody does anything about it...heck if the small area I live has two betting places that are not legal and have been around for years and everyone knows about it...you get the picture.

The problem comes down to if they bet on their own sport as they would or could have a part in some outcomes.

The funny thing about being legal or illegal concerning gambling really boils down to Taxes, in other words who is getting paid or not getting paid.

 

[Sarge]

Is Gretzky guilty of something just because he knew Tocchet financed a gambling ring? Or would he have had to have placed bets to be guilty of something?

He's guilty of nothing if that is the case. You don't get thrown in jail if you don't tell the police that you know a bookie.

We'll see how it unfolds.

 

[Big Country]

What in the name of heck does he have to gamble for??? It's not like he lives week to week... I for one don't give a flip about friggin' hockey... Hockey to me is WWF with sticks... They could have canceled this season too for all I care... I'd rather watch basketball anyway.

 

[junk]

What in the name of heck does he have to gamble for??? It's not like he lives week to week... I for one don't give a flip about friggin' hockey... Hockey to me is WWF with sticks... They could have canceled this season too for all I care... I'd rather watch basketball anyway.

If anyone should gamble, it certainly shouldn't be those living week to week. If you are living week to week and counting on gambling to supplement your income, then I guess its no surprise you are living week to week.

Anybody that has any clue about hockey knows that it is a little more than "WWF with sticks". Its my personal opinion that hockey requires the highest level of ability of ANY professional sport. If you can stand up, you can play basketball. You need to be able to ice skate just to try to play hockey. Not to mention the overall speed of the game, the reflexes and coordination required to shoot, pass and stick handle.

Even the "WWF" aspect that I assume you are referring to, fighting and checking, require a high degree of skill and coordination. Imagine trying to stand up on hockey skates when you are about to be hit by someone skating full speed....or to hit some one full speed while they are simultaneously moving....or trying to simply stand up while someone is pulling you off balance and throwing punches.

You may not like hockey, but calling it WWF with sticks is ignorant.

 

[blindzebra]

Is Gretzky guilty of something just because he knew Tocchet financed a gambling ring? Or would he have had to have placed bets to be guilty of something?

There is a thing called aiding and abating.

If you have knowledge of a crime and do nothing, there are legal ramifications.

 

[Hostile]

There is a thing called aiding and abating.

If you have knowledge of a crime and do nothing, there are legal ramifications.

Knowledge isn't aiding and abetting.

 

[Longboysfan]

Is Gretzky guilty of something just because he knew Tocchet financed a gambling ring? Or would he have had to have placed bets to be guilty of something?

Maybe that was what the wife was doing for him.

You never know.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Janet Jones is/was HOT. What would she be participating in a gamblingbling ring for?

Because she could.

 

[Nors]

Is Gretzky guilty of something just because he knew Tocchet financed a gambling ring? Or would he have had to have placed bets to be guilty of something?

This story is not new - been out for a few days. Wiretap has Wayne talking/knowing of gambling ring. His wife bet $500K in last month.

They nailed the NJ State cop who was in Kahoots in running gambling ring. There are supposed ties into Philadelphia organized crime that will come out soon.

Is it illegal for Gretz to know of this, know his wife is illegally gambling? Maybe not, not sure how the NHL will view his relationship with Tochett and organized crime figures. He's in big, big trouble here. Is it good news that Tochet/Gretzky have gambling ties to organized crimes, ability to fix games? Its just bad.

Unless it stops right here - Gretz may be out of the NHL on this.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Wow....that could tarnish the Great One's image...

As forgiving as society is I wouldnt count on it.

Whats acceptable in society is set very low. Standards-wise.

 

[Hostile]

If you have money and want to gamble, just do it legally.

What's so hard to figure out about that? Gretzky and his wife live in Phoenix. There are casinos there. It isn't far to Vegas. Especially by plane.

No matter what Gretzky's role in this is, you ought to know better.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Wire taps should be illegal.

 

[Nors]

If you have money and want to gamble, just do it legally.

What's so hard to figure out about that? Gretzky and his wife live in Phoenix. There are casinos there. It isn't far to Vegas. Especially by plane.

No matter what Gretzky's role in this is, you ought to know better.

Unless they were in with Tochet and just gambling through their buddy. Maybe Tochet was giving them kickbacks, reduced vig or worse - Jones and Gretzky were in with Tochett.


Gretzky has a lot of damage control to do here. The association is as bad as the actions.

 

[Nors]

Wire taps should be illegal.

People doing illegal things should not be doing illegal things.


Not sure about internet, but years spent in Telecom...... EVERY phone call is being recorded, monitored in some capacity

 

[Reality]

First of all, I never gamble money .. my philosophy is that just assume you did gamble your money, lost it all and then won the same money back you started with and there you go ..

That being said, I don't see why this kind of gambling is illegal. If it's because of not being able to accurately collect taxes on winnings, why not simply allow anyone to run a gambling network, but require they register for a gambling license? That way, only people caught doing it without a license would be breaking the law and it would lead to a lot more accountability for the huge amounts of money that now change hands in what are deemed "illegal gambling rings."

 

[Reed]

Im sorry but wiretaps should not be illegal, just let the criminals and corrupt rule, yay, great idea, hah

 

[Nors]

First of all, I never gamble money .. my philosophy is that just assume you did gamble your money, lost it all and then won the same money back you started with and there you go ..

That being said, I don't see why this kind of gambling is illegal. If it's because of not being able to accurately collect taxes on winnings, why not simply allow anyone to run a gambling network, but require they register for a gambling license? That way, only people caught doing it without a license would be breaking the law and it would lead to a lot more accountability for the huge amounts of money that now change hands in what are deemed "illegal gambling rings."

I agree - but its not legal. But the crime families involved in Providence, New York and this case Philly are a very violent lot. To have owners, coaches and players associating brings in the tainted games and thrown games. Gamblers get in trouble and do desperate things.


Gretzky may need to be thrown out of Hockey.

 

[Nors]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?id=2324030


back to topic of thread - good summary article on Pending arrests/sting.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

My theory is that it is just some cop looking for glory by bringing down a pro athlete just like the prosecutor who went after Irvin.

 

[trickblue]

My theory is that it is just some cop looking for glory by bringing down a pro athlete just like the prosecutor who went after Irvin.

OK Mr. Cochran...