Twitter: Our limited passing game

[lukin2006]

300 yard passing game are over rated anyways…

 

[xwalker]

he is missing the forest because of the trees. he is honed in on having an elite QB and that's the only way to win. his agenda is to post as much as he can and argue and win arguments. nothing else matters.

oh, yeah I forgot. he is also the cowboys superfan who is better than everybody else, because apprantely he is the only one that cares about winning superbowls and the rest just care about regular season wins. his words.

Yes, like this offseason when I posted that in 2021 the Cowboys were 2nd in passing yards (The Bucs with Tom Brady were 1).
- The responses where that stats didn't matter...

 

[cnuball21]

You totally missed the point of @Hadenough 's post and if you think it's about win percentage you may as well forego games and just concentrate on stats.... for instance the Allan loss to Mahomes in playoffs is a negative in the percentage but threw a 136 rating.
It's a fair point to say that if Dak has a weakness its when the game is on the line, in a close situation and the game's on his arm.

Cool. Dak balled out against GB and we lost. Allen’s also won games where he played worse than he did in an L but the D stepped up.

That’s why it’s a team sport and it’s not smart to hang W/Ls solely on the QB.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Cool. Dak balled out against GB and we lost. Allen’s also won games where he played worse than he did in an L but the D stepped up.

That’s why it’s a team sport and it’s not smart to hang W/Ls solely on the QB.

You're changing the goal posts. Nothing detracts from my point the the win percentage against winning teams is a flawed incomplete stat...especially when you dont factor in game importance.

 

[gimmesix]

@Rockport posted a video yesterday where Jesse Holley was talking abt the route concepts in Kellen’s offense. He basically said most teams will have one receiver that is responsible to win his matchup while the other side will have scheme in place to help them get open. He said in the Cowboys offense all receivers are expected to win their route without much scheme help. He went on to say this is when the offense bogs down because there is no where to go with the ball. I found it kind of interesting because teams that can stop our run game will also usually snuff out the pass game. No run game makes PA ineffective and if what he is saying is accurate it correlates to what happens when our offense faces good defenses. Take it FWIW

Rocky’s video
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/hangin’-with-the-boys-computer-man.504080/

This is a carryover from Garrett. Sadly, some of that bad philosophy had to rub off.

 

[CATCH17]

Less Dak is a good thing.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

This is a carryover from Garrett. Sadly, some of that bad philosophy had to rub off.

Meanwhile Kurt Warner literally draws you a picture showing you how guys are running wide open on nearly every play and the QB throws it to the wrong guy at the wrong time. The failure is not having realistic expectations of the QB and matching the scheme to him. For Dak I like the idea of keying on a specific receiver and just throwing to him,,, it has limited possibilities but in this case less is more.

 

[gimmesix]

Meanwhile Kurt Warner literally draws you a picture showing you how guys are running wide open on nearly every play and the QB throws it to the wrong guy at the wrong time. The failure is not having realistic expectations of the QB and matching the scheme to him. For Dak I like the idea of keying on a specific receiver and just throwing to him,,, it has limited possibilities but in this case less is more.

The thing is that you can isolate on different plays to prove virtually any point. There's a lot that goes into every play, the lineup, the movement, the pre-read, the read, the matchups, the execution ...

Garrett was bad about relying too heavily on the execution, and Moore does that at times. Other times, he creates matchup issues. Sometimes the read takes the QB to a player who is expected to get open because of the matchup that was created but doesn't while another player executes and gets open quickly. Other times, the QB works through his progression and a player who wasn't open initially comes open but the QB has moved on.

There are some things I'd like to see us do better than we do from a scheme standpoint. There are some things I'd like to see us do better from an execution standpoint.

 

[cnuball21]

You're changing the goal posts. Nothing detracts from my point the the win percentage against winning teams is a flawed incomplete stat...especially when you dont factor in game importance.

Then we agree. Winning percentage against winning teams is a flawed stat.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Just win dont care about Dak's stats.........Now ..We are winnning but Dak cant throw over 300 yards. Same posters same goal post moving, nothing to see here....keep winning with ball control and a great defense and who cares what the Dak war soldiers say.

 

[Sevenup3000]

Thats surprising Rodgers is really fading without a top teir WR. Allen suffered the first couple years until he learned and got better. He played against Brady and the Patriots. Those winning percentages don't tell the true story. Allen played great against Mahomes and the Chiefs it's just who had the ball last. Dak has not looked good against the 49ers or Rams and was suspect against Seattle but those are playoff games. The bigger the game the more Dak seems to struggle.

1. Allen has had a number of playoff games including against the Ravens and Colts that were anything but elite QB play.

You talk about Allen vs. Chiefs and how he played well...You do know Dak played very well vs the Packers, but like Allen, lost, right?

2. The bigger the game the more Dak seems to struggle? Just off the top of my head...Dak played well against Tom Brady the first game of last year but lost. First game, SNF, against the Defending SB Champs. Pretty big game that Dak only lost because, as you said, Tom just had the ball last.

This thing you people do when you all get anemia and suddenly can't remember games or instances that disprove your narratives are hiliarious. Like you people will literally say, "Dak has never won a game while trailing in the 4th" when not 3 weeks prior, the Dak threw a game winning pass after trailing by 10 in the 4th. You people will then just move the goal post after being proven wrong.

 

[CowboyFrog]

1. Allen has had a number of playoff games including against the Ravens and Colts that were anything but elite QB play.

You talk about Allen vs. Chiefs and how he played well...You do know Dak played very well vs the Packers, but like Allen, lost, right?

2. The bigger the game the more Dak seems to struggle? Just off the top of my head...Dak played well against Tom Brady the first game of last year but lost. First game, SNF, against the Defending SB Champs. Pretty big game that Dak only lost because, as you said, Tom just had the ball last.

This thing you people do when you all get anemia and suddenly can't remember games or instances that disprove your narratives are hiliarious. Like you people will literally say, "Dak has never won a game while trailing in the 4th" when not 3 weeks prior, the Dak threw a game winning pass after trailing by 10 in the 4th. You people will then just move the goal post after being proven wrong.

This whole narrative is a huge goal post move from "We dont win because Dak is throwing for 400 yards"..its actually funny to watch.

 

[CowboyoWales]

This whole narrative is a huge goal post move from "We dont win because Dak is throwing for 400 yards"..its actually funny to watch.

@Sevenup3000 decrying another QB's individual games doesn't deter from Dak's perceived weakness in crucial games in pressure situations.
Personally I like Dak, many positives,(overall game management and getting our Offense moving) but his Achilles Heel appears that 4thQ win in games that matter.

 

[cnuball21]

@Sevenup3000 decrying another QB's individual games doesn't deter from Dak's perceived weakness in crucial games in pressure situations.
Personally I like Dak, many positives,(overall game management and getting our Offense moving) but his Achilles Heel appears that 4thQ win in games that matter.

So what games have mattered this year? (they all matter but just to play along with your narrative)

I’d argue all the divisional games and the MN games were the biggest we’ve had. Clean sweep.

 

[Qcard]

1. Allen has had a number of playoff games including against the Ravens and Colts that were anything but elite QB play.

You talk about Allen vs. Chiefs and how he played well...You do know Dak played very well vs the Packers, but like Allen, lost, right?

2. The bigger the game the more Dak seems to struggle? Just off the top of my head...Dak played well against Tom Brady the first game of last year but lost. First game, SNF, against the Defending SB Champs. Pretty big game that Dak only lost because, as you said, Tom just had the ball last.

This thing you people do when you all get anemia and suddenly can't remember games or instances that disprove your narratives are hiliarious. Like you people will literally say, "Dak has never won a game while trailing in the 4th" when not 3 weeks prior, the Dak threw a game winning pass after trailing by 10 in the 4th. You people will then just move the goal post after being proven wrong.

Dak Haters will ALWAYS MOVE the Goalpost

It has NEVER been about Football

 

[Sevenup3000]

@Sevenup3000 decrying another QB's individual games doesn't deter from Dak's perceived weakness in crucial games in pressure situations.
Personally I like Dak, many positives,(overall game management and getting our Offense moving) but his Achilles Heel appears that 4thQ win in games that matter.

Dak Prescott's Best Plays from 445-Yd Game vs. Patriots

 

[ak47kaehu]

One common thread among these three teams is they all lost their #1 WR in the offseason.

Our team threw our stud #1 out like he was garbage or something.....when they realized the error of their ways they proceeded to try and trade/ spend the same amount for some average receiver from the Texans and when that failed tried to sign some other one legged loud mouthed dude all for the same money they were paying that #19 stud wr....

 

[CowboyFrog]

@Sevenup3000 decrying another QB's individual games doesn't deter from Dak's perceived weakness in crucial games in pressure situations.
Personally I like Dak, many positives,(overall game management and getting our Offense moving) but his Achilles Heel appears that 4thQ win in games that matter.

No doubt but we have had this problem for 26 years as a team, I agree Dak is part of the team and deserves as much blame as the next player (Love Zack Martin but he also has this record)...My only point was towards the guys who said "We cant win because Dak is throwing for 400 yards and we dont run the ball" and now we win with ball control and defense and the narrative shifts to "Look Dak cant throw for 300 yards so he sucks"..just funny to watch them spin thier narrative.

 

[stilltheguru]

We’re complaining about the number 1 scoring offense in the league lol?

Literally had a dang near 4500 passing season last year, it’s not like we can’t throw. I don’t get it do we want balance or do we want stats?

Also, rarely do passing yardage leaders win the SB. It’s been proven to not be a sustainable winning strategy. The way we win now is much more reliable, you just need to make crucial plays in crucial moments; not pass for 400 yards.

You must not see who made the thread lol.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Dak Prescott's Best Plays from 445-Yd Game vs. Patriots

So what's your point? It was a week 6 game vrs a Pat's team that were 2-3. This is exactly the non-pressure game that Dak flourishes in. If Dak could do it in the play-offs or any must win game that would be something.
Im not calling Dak out, but it does appear something missing from his resume.