Our mistake - firing Wade Phillips

[TellerMorrow34]

I'm no fan of Garrett, at all, but anyone who watched the way this team completely quit on Phillips and can still come here and post that we shouldn't have fired him is beyond football ignorant.

That's just being flat out dumb when it comes to what you're watching.

Did we need to watch that team go 1-15 and just get their butts handed to them every week in order to realise that Wade wasn't going to do anything about it? Please. Dumb. That's what this is and keeping him would have been one of the dumbest moves in franchise history.

Hiring him was a terrible idea in the first place. Great guy, good DC, but a terrible HC and that should have been evident from his previous HC experience.

Risen is right. He got hired because Jerry needed his puppet coach after Bill so he went out and got the sofest, easiest going, easiest to control guy he could possibly find.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I was all for it, and I was wrong. In hindsight he was a great coach for us, Garrett was the problem and is the problem now.

What?? Phillips' M.O has always been and will always be that is he is a great head coach for a few years given good talent because players enjoy playing for him and his easy going ways. However the guy pays no attention to detail, treats his players with kid gloves and doesn't believe in practicing hard. Eventually, his team's always quit on him like they did in Dallas, Denver and Buffalo.

Good d-coordinator, very poor head coach.

 

[Seven]

I agree we could have done a lot better. He would have been better off just coaching the D and worry about team matter with a real coach. I swear, why can't we ever get a real coach in Dallas? Would have loved to have Andy Reid here.

jerry jones. He wants, no craves, to be 'thee guy' who did it all.......his way.

The "He wants to win, he just doesn't know how" crowd are fooling themselves. jerry damn well knows 'how', he just refuses to do it. Period.

'He's the bestest owner in all of sports" makes me want to puke. He's a dictator holding fans as his hostage.

 

[khiladi]

If you can't judge Garrett based upon the staff Jerry allegedly picked, it's way more true for Wade Phillips... Again, Wade had no control over the offense, none whatseover to the point, he wouldn't even be involved in their practices.

In terms of footbal knowledge, Wade is light years ahead of Garrett, it's not even close.

 

[khiladi]

BTW, I don't get this idea where Wade has a history of losing his teams:

Denver, he was 9-7 followed by 7-9.
Buffalo, he was 10-6, 11-5, then 8-8

How is that a track record of losing teams before getting to Dallas? They started off 7-4 with scrib QBs then had the QB controversy. Ever since this season, the Bills haven't sniffed the playoffs.

There countless HOF coaches that have had similar track records.

 

[CyberB0b]

Of course he did.

This is a kid trying to be clever. Wade Phillips is a loser of a head coach. The mistake was in hiring him not firing him. We were in a prime position to make a nice run had the owner continued down the Parcells path of a real head coach with authority.

That loser brought us to the playoffs 2 times, won the division twice, only had 1 season of less than 9 wins (the season he was fired), and he brought us our sole playoff victory in over a decade. Give the guy a little credit.

Mr. Authority, Jason Garrett, hasn't had a winning season.

 

[joseephuss]

BTW, I don't get this idea where Wade has a history of losing his teams:

Denver, he was 9-7 followed by 7-9.
Buffalo, he was 10-6, 11-5, then 8-8

How is that a track record of losing teams before getting to Dallas? They started off 7-4 with scrib QBs then had the QB controversy. Ever since this season, the Bills haven't sniffed the playoffs.

There countless HOF coaches that have had similar track records.

So Wade is now a HOF worthy coach?

 

[khiladi]

So Wade is now a HOF worthy coach?

Really, that's quite a reach from what I stated... the premise was 'losing a team'...

 

[joseephuss]

Really, that's quite a reach from what I stated... the premise was 'losing a team'...

From the records you showed you could see a definite downward trend from where those respective teams started. He was losing those teams and given another year with each would have produced horrible records. Those franchises fired him before that could happen. Dallas didn't. They waited and sure enough he lost the team and he got fired mid-season.

There are not countless HoF coaches who had similar experiences. Perhaps you can find an example or two, but not countless. And when you use "countless" and "HOF" in the same sentence, it isn't a reach to ask you a question to clarify what exactly you are trying to say.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

BTW, I don't get this idea where Wade has a history of losing his teams:

Denver, he was 9-7 followed by 7-9.
Buffalo, he was 10-6, 11-5, then 8-8

How is that a track record of losing teams before getting to Dallas? They started off 7-4 with scrib QBs then had the QB controversy. Ever since this season, the Bills haven't sniffed the playoffs.

It's just one of those things that gets repeated so often people accept it as fact without any critical evaluation, kind of like "Romo always chokes."

Wade ends season 1-4 one time at Buffalo = Team quit on him.

Garrett ends season 1-4 in 2011 and 1-3 in 2013 = Team never quits on him.

 

[Seven]

I think the team didn't quit on Jason because there were too many athletes trying to make the team.

There was no 'team', really.

A bunch of castoffs, misfits, rookies and second/third stringers bowing at his feet.

If the season was two games longer............Dez would've been a candidate, IMO.

 

[khiladi]

From the records you showed you could see a definite downward trend from where those respective teams started. He was losing those teams and given another year with each would have produced horrible records. Those franchises fired him before that could happen. Dallas didn't. They waited and sure enough he lost the team and he got fired mid-season.

There are not countless HoF coaches who had similar experiences. Perhaps you can find an example or two, but not countless. And when you use "countless" and "HOF" in the same sentence, it isn't a reach to ask you a question to clarify what exactly you are trying to say.

Sorry, one season a trend dos not make, which is why I bought up HoF coaches. These are lik 2 game differences. It happens all the tme year to year. 1997 Bill Cowher was 11-5, followed by 7-9, 6-10, back to 7-9. In 2002, he was 13-3, 10-5, followed by 6-10. Bill Parcells in 85, was 10-6, followed by 14-2 and dropped to 6-9. Patriots, he was 5-11 in 1993 and 1994 10-6 back to 6-10.

And if you look at Wade's track record of 'losing teams' it was in December where they were 'lost'. Though they were in plyoff contention come till december (and management was trying to force him to make a QB switch) the implication being, Dallas record of 1-7 has little to do with what was in the past. And that was a major cluster of a year, unlike any other. And JG is hugely responsible for it.

 

[khiladi]

It's just one of those things that gets repeated so often people accept it as fact without any critical evaluation, kind of like "Romo always chokes."

Wade ends season 1-4 one time at Buffalo = Team quit on him.

Garrett ends season 1-4 in 2011 and 1-3 in 2013 = Team never quits on him.

Which is all the more reason to hate Garrett, cause his defenders keep spewing nothing but nonsense at he expense of people that actually accomplished something.

 

[tyke1doe]

Cowboys fans loved to pine for the old days. Bring back Wade, bring back Norv, Bring back Zimmer, Bring back Jimmy. Somebody inquire heaven whether Tom Landry is available to coach the Cowboys again.

 

[khiladi]

Oh yah, one more little factoid about 'facts' that prove JGs alleged talent:

Mike Singletary went 5-4 as interim HC and Mike Nolan was 2-5 before beng fired. And we all know how that turned out.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

So you're saying firing a coach that had this team at 1-7 wasn't a mistake? 8-8 sounds a lot better than the 1-7 ride we were on. I see the Texans didn't make the mistake in hiring him.

why are you so focussed on 1/2 a season and deliberately forgetting the first three?

Both were here 3.5 years, whose team performed better?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Cowboys fans loved to pine for the old days. Bring back Wade, bring back Norv, Bring back Zimmer, Bring back Jimmy. Somebody inquire heaven whether Tom Landry is available to coach the Cowboys again.

no one is saying bring back Wade, just that he gets a bad rap.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

why are you so focussed on 1/2 a season and deliberately forgetting the first three?

Both were here 3.5 years, whose team performed better?

Wade was clearly carried by Parcells groceries and Romo's Houdini act to win games that should have been coaches losses.



Is the new acronym OMSHGROW?

(Our mistake shouldn't have gotten rid of wade)

 

[wileedog]

Wade was clearly carried by Parcells groceries and Romo's Houdini act to win games that should have been coaches losses.



Is the new acronym OMSHGROW?

(Our mistake shouldn't have gotten rid of wade)

I disliked Wade's tenure here as much as the next rational human being, but I don't ever remember him completely bungling away very winnable games the way Garrett does at least a couple of times per season.

Plus I always thought he was kind of hamstring having the Chosen One right behind him with his training Head Coach Headset on.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

why are you so focussed on 1/2 a season and deliberately forgetting the first three?

Both were here 3.5 years, whose team performed better?

Wade performed better over all. But who cares? Should have they stuck with him until the team lost 20 straight games just to prove that they'd quit on him?

It doesn't matter what they did in 2007 or 2009 under Wade. In the first half of 2010 it was painfully OBVIOUS the team QUIT on him. There is no way around that. So keeping him would have been an even worse idea than keeping Red J right now is.