Our mistake - firing Wade Phillips

[joseephuss]

Sorry, one season a trend dos not make, which is why I bought up HoF coaches. These are lik 2 game differences. It happens all the tme year to year. 1997 Bill Cowher was 11-5, followed by 7-9, 6-10, back to 7-9. In 2002, he was 13-3, 10-5, followed by 6-10. Bill Parcells in 85, was 10-6, followed by 14-2 and dropped to 6-9. Patriots, he was 5-11 in 1993 and 1994 10-6 back to 6-10.

And if you look at Wade's track record of 'losing teams' it was in December where they were 'lost'. Though they were in plyoff contention come till december (and management was trying to force him to make a QB switch) the implication being, Dallas record of 1-7 has little to do with what was in the past. And that was a major cluster of a year, unlike any other. And JG is hugely responsible for it.

Getting fired by 3 teams is the bigger trend to illustrate just how poor of a head coach he is.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I disliked Wade's tenure here as much as the next rational human being, but I don't ever remember him completely bungling away very winnable games the way Garrett does at least a couple of times per season.

Plus I always thought he was kind of hamstring having the Chosen One right behind him with his training Head Coach Headset on.

I partially agree on first part. Garrett does muff up more... But wade and his aww shucks was wearing me.

2nd part. Also, Partially agree. Wade as HC had job to do. Didn't get it done.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Wade was clearly carried by Parcells groceries and Romo's Houdini act to win games that should have been coaches losses.



Is the new acronym OMSHGROW?

(Our mistake shouldn't have gotten rid of wade)

why can't Garrett then with the same Houdini at QB win games? Why does he always find ways to lose them?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

why can't Garrett then with the same Houdini at QB win games? Why does he always find ways to lose them?

At times, and I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, but it's appeared that Romo has bailed Garrett out and won some games they probably shouldn't have with the really bad coaching going on here.

 

[Broges74]

Wade is a great coordinator. A poor HC. I'd take him in a flat second as DC.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

why can't Garrett then with the same Houdini at QB win games? Why does he always find ways to lose them?

Romo got Garrett 11-4 this year.
Garrett turned it into 8-7

3 game coaches blunder swing easily. Ok, ok, put one of the three on both of them.

 

[wileedog]

But wade and his aww shucks was wearing me..

I'm not defending him so much as pointing out he was stuck with a staff he couldn't hire/fire (or even control on the offensive side), and the worst kept secret in Valley Ranch was that Garrett was the hand-picked successor and Wade was just keeping the seat warm.

Personally Wade lost me at "A bye is like a playoff win."

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I'm not defending him so much as pointing out he was stuck with a staff he couldn't hire/fire (or even control on the offensive side), and the worst kept secret in Valley Ranch was that Garrett was the hand-picked successor and Wade was just keeping the seat warm.

Personally Wade lost me at "A bye is like a playoff win."

I hear ya.

Agreed. It was a stupid comment. Saying that when you are not making playoffs or losing a lot in,playoffs is one thing,p. If you are a proven winner and have some skins on the wall then you can say that lol

 

[cowboys1981]

why are you so focussed on 1/2 a season and deliberately forgetting the first three?

Both were here 3.5 years, whose team performed better?

Because that half season was the cause for him being fired and that's why it wasn't a mistake firing. To answer your question, neither team performed. The 1-7 guys never showed up. It was such a huge mistake, even Houston wouldn't hire him as a HC.

 

[khiladi]

Getting fired by 3 teams is the bigger trend to illustrate just how poor of a head coach he is.

How did Gregg Williams do after Wade? Garrett's track record?

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Romo got Garrett 11-4 this year.
Garrett turned it into 8-7

3 game coaches blunder swing easily. Ok, ok, put one of the three on both of them.

ergo Wade >> the red loser

 

[Nova]

Wade inherited the 2005 [Ware, Barber, Ratliff, Spears, Canty] draft coming into their prime.

By direct comparison, Jason Garrett was working with the 2009 draft coming into their prime.

Don't base your thoughts on results only. Both coaches have their downfalls, but just about the only thing Wade had an edge in was clock and game management and he's better in his respective coordinating field. He was still an awful motivator, awful at prep, and his regime was a total push over in the war room that led to depth and personnel problems that set us back greatly.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Wade inherited the 2005 [Ware, Barber, Ratliff, Spears, Canty] draft coming into their prime.

By direct comparison, Jason Garrett was working with the 2009 draft coming into their prime.

Don't base your thoughts on results only. Both coaches have their downfalls, but just about the only thing Wade had an edge in was clock and game management and he's better in his respective coordinating field. He was still an awful motivator, awful at prep, and his regime was a total push over in the war room that led to depth and personnel problems that set us back greatly.

how else are they supposed to be judged/based?

 

[khiladi]

Wade made Ratliff a NT.... Spears was not that good and got no pressure and Canty was simply over-rated. He also inherited Jacques Reeves, Anthony Henry, Pat Watkins and Bradie James and Akin Ayodele, a horrendous group of pass defenders. Why do you think Jerry invested so heavily in CBs?

And JG was getting the guys he wanted on offense...

 

[big dog cowboy]

Wade performed better over all. But who cares? Should have they stuck with him until the team lost 20 straight games just to prove that they'd quit on him?

It doesn't matter what they did in 2007 or 2009 under Wade. In the first half of 2010 it was painfully OBVIOUS the team QUIT on him. There is no way around that. So keeping him would have been an even worse idea than keeping Red J right now is.

Well said.

 

[FanSince61]

I was all for it, and I was wrong. In hindsight he was a great coach for us, Garrett was the problem and is the problem now.

Good news, he is available!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Nova]

how else are they supposed to be judged/based?

*The 1995 Dallas Cowboys were the greatest football team of all time because they were probably the only team to win it all in spite of their coaching.

The HC doesn't always get credit for success. They should be judged on what they actually did and/or did not do for the team.

Wade had the 2 playoff appearances, but he was basically just riding Parcell's guys to that success. Again, he was a better game manager, but he was pretty poor in everything else, especially the personnel department.

Garrett is a bad game manager, but in the other areas that Wade was putrid in.

Not to mention, you simply cannot isolate Wade from Garrett because Garrett's offense was always in place as well. In fact, his best [looking] season, the 2007 Cowboys were mostly ALL offense.

We should remember that both coaches have/had massive shortcomings. And that trading off a current problem of ours for a past one is not the appropriate response.

 

[Nova]

To put it shortly. Wade only had success because of the coach/regime before him, and a large reason why Garrett isn't having success is the coach/regime before him.

 

[George]

I was all for it, and I was wrong. In hindsight he was a great coach for us, Garrett was the problem and is the problem now.

Nah. You may not like Garrett but he is better than Wade, IMO

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Nah. You may not like Garrett but he is better than Wade, IMO

Garrett is the second worst head coach in our team's history behind Campo