Our mistake - firing Wade Phillips

[Coy]

I was all for it, and I was wrong. In hindsight he was a great coach for us, Garrett was the problem and is the problem now.

The problem wasn't firing Wade, the problem was hiring Garrett.

 

[Deep_South]

When Jerry feels the heat, he throws someone else out of the kitchen. That is why Wade was fired, and why RHG might very well be fired next year, IMO. I do think it is possible Jerry might get creative with Garrett and make him a consultant or give him the title of "General Manager" instead of just letting him go, while continuing to do whatever he feels like doing with the team.

Still, there is no need to hang up the "Abandon hope, all ye who enter" sign as long as Romo comes back healthy and ready to play. If not, though, we might want to keep it handy.

 

[jnday]

I still wonder to this day why his team quit on him.
He supported his players.
He may have come off as a bumpkin, but I don't think he was a moron.
You can't be as successful a DC as he is and be a moron.

Maybe someone here knows more about the situation than I.

Wade had a bunch of overpaid, pampered , gutless wonders posing as pro football players. They were quitters that didn't respect the team, coach or their profession. I will never forgive those players and will be glad when the last one is gone.

 

[cml750]

I was all for it, and I was wrong. In hindsight he was a great coach for us, Garrett was the problem and is the problem now.

Wade, while better than Garrett(who isn't?) was not a great head coach. He is a great defensive coordinator.

 

[Picksix]

I was all for it, and I was wrong. In hindsight he was a great coach for us, Garrett was the problem and is the problem now.

That's like saying you shouldn't have broken up with your ex girlfriend who cheated on you, flaked on you, and generally treated you like crap in the last six months, just because she was good to you for the first couple years, and because your new girlfriend isn't much better.

 

[tantrix1969]

Both Jerry and Parcells wanted to see Romo play due to his escapability/playmaking ability. By all media accounts Romo outplayed Bledsoe during training camp in 06 but Parcells being old school wanted to start the season with an experienced QB. It was clear prior to that season that Parcells was preparing for a changing of the guard at QB by allowing Romo to play the entire game vs Seattle in the Cowboys first preseason game.

Romo looked terrific completing 76% of his passes with a passer rating (I know you'll love this) of 117.9. In the preseason finale Romo put up 349 yards on Minn completing 66% of his passes. Parcells was getting fed up with Bledsoe and when the opportunity came vs the Giants in week 7 he yanked him which marked the beginning of the Romo era and the end of Bledsoe's career.

Jerry was against starting Romo at first-

Jones hinted Tuesday he wanted to stick with the veteran. He explained Thursday that he actually was clinging to his preseason belief that Bledsoe would lead Dallas to the playoffs.

"I'm disappointed at the reason we're having to make this change," Jones said.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2639551

 

[Alexander]

Wade had a bunch of overpaid, pampered , gutless wonders posing as pro football players. They were quitters that didn't respect the team, coach or their profession. I will never forgive those players and will be glad when the last one is gone.

And we still have overpaid, pampered, gutless wonders posing as football players.

 

[Alexander]

That's like saying you shouldn't have broken up with your ex girlfriend who cheated on you, flaked on you, and generally treated you like crap in the last six months, just because she was good to you for the first couple years, and because your new girlfriend isn't much better.

All in all, I do find this thread funny.

I am not a fan of Garrett and I actually think Phillips did a better job at least if you look at the scoreboard, but in no way shape or form would I consider firing him a mistake.

 

[Corso]

Wade had a bunch of overpaid, pampered , gutless wonders posing as pro football players. They were quitters that didn't respect the team, coach or their profession. I will never forgive those players and will be glad when the last one is gone.

I'm not going to argue with that, but was that Wade's fault (although he obviously exacerbated the situation with his "Cupcake-ness") or was that Jerry's fault for having those players?
And what about Big Bill's part in all of this?

Supposedly it was Parcells who brought those gutless wonders onto the team.
If you're to believe Risen Star- he put the team in the right direction.
So did he? Or did he bring a bunch of panty-wastes on board that were ready to implode and Wade was the catalyst?
Some posters will have you believe if it wasn't for Parcells- this team would have been even worse.
Maybe they're right, but aren't those player he brought in become the same players that quit? That rolled over when the going got tough?

I agree with you- I am very happy those entitled goons are gone. Unfortunately we haven't replaced them with capable players for the most part.
They try harder- God Bless 'em, but that has not translated into anything meaningful.

 

[links18]

And we still have overpaid, pampered, gutless wonders posing as football players.

Name some names.....don't leave us hanging.......

 

[percyhoward]

Both Jerry and Parcells wanted to see Romo play due to his escapability/playmaking ability. By all media accounts Romo outplayed Bledsoe during training camp in 06 but Parcells being old school wanted to start the season with an experienced QB. It was clear prior to that season that Parcells was preparing for a changing of the guard at QB by allowing Romo to play the entire game vs Seattle in the Cowboys first preseason game.

Romo looked terrific completing 76% of his passes with a passer rating (I know you'll love this) of 117.9. In the preseason finale Romo put up 349 yards on Minn completing 66% of his passes. Parcells was getting fed up with Bledsoe and when the opportunity came vs the Giants in week 7 he yanked him which marked the beginning of the Romo era and the end of Bledsoe's career.

Yeah, I remember.

 

[Alexander]

Name some names.....don't leave us hanging.......

Miles Austin immediately comes to mind.

 

[Jerryrage]

I still wonder to this day why his team quit on him.
He supported his players.
He may have come off as a bumpkin, but I don't think he was a moron.
You can't be as successful a DC as he is and be a moron.

Maybe someone here knows more about the situation than I.

Let me explain an NFL football player for you. 90% of them don't care if they win or lose games, they lie,lie and lie. An NFL player only care about how well he does in games from a personal stand point, also to not get an injury so when the agents goes to negotiate a contract they have leverage over an owner or GM. Most of the players don't want to get into the playoffs, it's more risk for injury also more wear and tear on the body. You see a lot of players opt out of the pro-bowl now days. You have to understand this new NFL with salary caps and agents along with the NFL players bargaining agreement have changed the game forever.

One more thing that happen with Wade after he was fired was Jerry Jones came in a players meeting and said pretty much if you don't start playing well. I'll remove all of you from the roster and purge this team. He had to threaten them with money and contracts for them to start playing better. This just reinforced my explanation of an NFL player in today's game.

I just don't take the NFL as serious anymore. I was lucky to watch the last great team before salary caps and I'm thankful for it.

 

[xwalker]

Something I must have mentally blocked out and you bring up a very good point-

The sense of entitlement on those teams were sickening.
Garrett may have a ton of faults, but you can't say he's a coach who coddles players.

Yes, I just don't see that attitude anymore.

 

[Alexander]

Let me explain an NFL football player for you. 90% of them don't care if they win or lose games, they lie,lie and lie. An NFL player only care about how well he does in games from a personal stand point, also to not get an injury so when the agents goes to negotiate a contract they have leverage over an owner or GM. Most of the players don't want to get into the playoffs, it's more risk for injury also more wear and tear on the body. You see a lot of players opt out of the pro-bowl now days. You have to understand this new NFL with salary caps and agents along with the NFL players bargaining agreement have changed the game forever.

One more thing that happen with Wade after he was fired was Jerry Jones came in a players meeting and said pretty much if you don't start playing well. I'll remove all of you from the roster and purge this team. He had to threaten them with money and contracts for them to start playing better. This just reinforced my explanation of an NFL player in today's game.

I just don't take the NFL as serious anymore. I was lucky to watch the last great team before salary caps and I'm thankful for it.

I agree with a lot of this. Players are not the same anymore. They are mercenaries, who are ultimately out for the bucks, by and large.

The real game is often not even on the field, but over the bargaining table.

That is why I laugh when I see people think that what separates good teams from bad teams is "passion" and "trying hard".

These players can and do turn it on and off often due to economics and where they see themselves from a fiscal standpoint. This is not college football where pride and emotion weigh in nearly as much.

This is not the same game it used to be, nor are the players in it.

 

[Alexander]

Garrett may have a ton of faults, but you can't say he's a coach who coddles players.

He still can't get rid of players he may not want. Neither could Wade Phillips.

 

[Corso]

Let me explain an NFL football player for you. 90% of them don't care if they win or lose games, they lie,lie and lie. An NFL player only care about how well he does in games from a personal stand point, also to not get an injury so when the agents goes to negotiate a contract they have leverage over an owner or GM. Most of the players don't want to get into the playoffs, it's more risk for injury also more wear and tear on the body. You see a lot of players opt out of the pro-bowl now days. You have to understand this new NFL with salary caps and agents along with the NFL players bargaining agreement have changed the game forever.

One more thing that happen with Wade after he was fired was Jerry Jones came in a players meeting and said pretty much if you don't start playing well. I'll remove all of you from the roster and purge this team. He had to threaten them with money and contracts for them to start playing better. This just reinforced my explanation of an NFL player in today's game.

I just don't take the NFL as serious anymore. I was lucky to watch the last great team before salary caps and I'm thankful for it.

I won't dispute you as I don't know either way what the average NFL player thinks.
It does sometimes appear that way- I'll give that to you.

Especially when you have guys not even in the NFL yet like Clowney who puts his future career ahead of his team. And he's "supposed" to be there for an education. *Laughter*
Sad. I guess when millions are on the line (a number very few of us ever see) you become a more selfish person.
Human nature... Sometimes the term means something to aspire to have, sometimes it's a denigration.

 

[TrailBlazer]

Wade is a great DC. Not HC.

 

[Gaede]

Wade's last year was such a disaster that firing him was fine by me.

However, Garrett should've never been retained after season's end. That's the problem.

 

[jnday]

I'm not going to argue with that, but was that Wade's fault (although he obviously exacerbated the situation with his "Cupcake-ness") or was that Jerry's fault for having those players?
And what about Big Bill's part in all of this?

Supposedly it was Parcells who brought those gutless wonders onto the team.
If you're to believe Risen Star- he put the team in the right direction.
So did he? Or did he bring a bunch of panty-wastes on board that were ready to implode and Wade was the catalyst?
Some posters will have you believe if it wasn't for Parcells- this team would have been even worse.
Maybe they're right, but aren't those player he brought in become the same players that quit? That rolled over when the going got tough?

I agree with you- I am very happy those entitled goons are gone. Unfortunately we haven't replaced them with capable players for the most part.
They try harder- God Bless 'em, but that has not translated into anything meaningful.

I place the most blame on the players. Nobody forced them to quit. There is no excuse for a pro to quit.