Our offseason signings sucked...

[BigDFan5]

I hate it when we sign players to be backups and all they end up being are backups. What a waste.

:laugh1:

 

[icyhot]

way too early to label any signings in the offseason as busts

You are a fan of another team and you seem to have more reasoning than someone who claims to be a fan.

 

[LarryCanadian]

I like the TO (from a playmaking sense) pick up. I like Vandy (prior to current problems) as the most accurate kicker in NFL history.

The only thing I do agree with is that I think the team would have been better off siging one Hutchinson over Fabini and Kosier, one average and one declining Oline. We continue to have questions on oline.

Similar to year before, I think it was a bit shortsighted to sign Rivera (whom I still like regardless) instead of Wahle. Spring the extra $1-2 Million since we had the cap room and get a more certain player whom you have a better chance of relying on for a longer time. Fabini is older and coming off injury. Rivera was older, and Kosier, while capable, didn't show a likelihood of ever being dominant.

Someone crunch those numbers, but I'm guestimating for the price of Fabini, Kosier, and Rivera, plus $2-3 Million per season, we could maybe have had Wahle and Hutchinson, who aren't likely to decline over next 2-3 years where 2 of the names above will start wearing away at whatever tread might be left. Would anyone here take that trade, even if it was $4 million more net per year Salary Cap. I think I might. Both those players were available for cash, no draft picks, If I remember correctly, and before this offseason and last year, I feel (and based on Adam's awesome numbers) the Cowboys were
in excellent cap shap currently and for forseeable future.

While I'm hopeful on Oline, I feel some cheapness at that position might end up costing us competition for a Superbowl this season and next. It remains the only glaring question mark. I guess I would have preferred going after one more younger name guy for Oline and worrying a bit less about depth. Despite the fact he got injured, I had hopes for LeCharles Bentley or Hutchinson for a big offensive trench improvement in offseason.

We'll see how it shakes out. Can't complain about effort bringing in TO and Vandy though, that is Jerry working hard at making the team a winner at least in terms of ability and not character.

Larry

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Anyone else get this feeling?

That Fabini only made this team because we paid him so much that he better contribute something?
And that Boiman was a waste of money?
And that Vanderjagt looks like he's just going to continue our kicking problems... this time, at a higher pricetag?
And that Coleman is entirely unneeded?
And that even T.O. who is no doubt a fine player, is just causing a lot of unnecessry contraversy and spending for a guy who may be past his peak years and is going to keep guys like Rector, Hurd and Austin from being able to get enough PT to ever come into their own?

Ayodele sounds like he was the only worthy one but now we seem to have more depth at LB than ever so was he even worth the signing?

Not saying we shouldn't have attempted to upgrade these positions... I was all for siging a FS, RT, K, and WR.
But it's ironic how most of them now seem to be unnecessary.

Forget all those guys, I'm having a bad hair day and Zimmy sucks!

 

[stag hunter]

And that even T.O. who is no doubt a fine player, is just causing a lot of unnecessry contraversy and spending for a guy who may be past his peak years and is going to keep guys like Rector, Hurd and Austin from being able to get enough PT to ever come into their own?

You might be the only person in the country losing sleep that Austin isn't getting on the field because TO is stealing his PT...

 

[jja050575]

Anyone else get this feeling?

That Fabini only made this team because we paid him so much that he better contribute something?
And that Boiman was a waste of money?
And that Vanderjagt looks like he's just going to continue our kicking problems... this time, at a higher pricetag?
And that Coleman is entirely unneeded?
And that even T.O. who is no doubt a fine player, is just causing a lot of unnecessry contraversy and spending for a guy who may be past his peak years and is going to keep guys like Rector, Hurd and Austin from being able to get enough PT to ever come into their own?

Ayodele sounds like he was the only worthy one but now we seem to have more depth at LB than ever so was he even worth the signing?

Not saying we shouldn't have attempted to upgrade these positions... I was all for siging a FS, RT, K, and WR.
But it's ironic how most of them now seem to be unnecessary.

Do I detect a gun in your hand pointed at your head?

 

[Qwickdraw]

I agree. This isn't like you QD. Why the sudden negativity? This team looks the best it has since 1995 and suddenly you're unhappy with things?

You're a quality poster, I just don't know why you got so negative all of the sudden.

Thank you Asthma.
According to EVERYONE else, all I do is post negative topics.

I was just initiatinga discussion. Not necessarily negative. And from the looks of the response numbers... a discussion I got.

Although I made sure to state that I wasn't complining in this thread (just discussing irony) and that I didn't think Carpenter was a bust (just a bad 1st round pick)...
here am shielding missles for complaining and calling Carp a bust.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Anyone else get this feeling?

That Fabini only made this team because we paid him so much that he better contribute something?
And that Boiman was a waste of money?
And that Vanderjagt looks like he's just going to continue our kicking problems... this time, at a higher pricetag?
And that Coleman is entirely unneeded?
And that even T.O. who is no doubt a fine player, is just causing a lot of unnecessry contraversy and spending for a guy who may be past his peak years and is going to keep guys like Rector, Hurd and Austin from being able to get enough PT to ever come into their own?

Ayodele sounds like he was the only worthy one but now we seem to have more depth at LB than ever so was he even worth the signing?

Not saying we shouldn't have attempted to upgrade these positions... I was all for siging a FS, RT, K, and WR.
But it's ironic how most of them now seem to be unnecessary.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[AsthmaField]

Thank you Asthma.
According to EVERYONE else, all I do is post negative topics.

I was just initiatinga discussion. Not necessarily negative. And from the looks of the response numbers... a discussion I got.

Although I made sure to state that I wasn't complining in this thread (just discussing irony) and that I didn't think Carpenter was a bust (just a bad 1st round pick)...
here am shielding missles for complaining and calling Carp a bust.

Your welcome... and you are a good poster. I've had some very good draft discussions with you.

However, even if you stated that you weren't complaining, I can tell you that it definately comes across as complaining. And if you are calling Carp a bad draft pick then you might as well be calling him a bust. To say he isn't a bust but that he was a bad draft choice for us doesn't fly very well. It's semantics and everyone and their brother will take you saying he was a bad pick, the same as you calling him a bust. And frankly the line between them is so fine that it might as well be the same.

You say you were just instigating discussion and that's fine. Like you said... it really worked. However, there was a definate negative tone to your posts, and while that will get a lot of responses... you better be ready for the inevitable barrage of people downing you for that negativity. And like someone said... one thread was really enough. People don't like negative things being said about a team that they're passionate about... which is why you get so many responses... but there is no reason to start different threads about very similar topics.

You do have the right, of course, to state your opinions negative or otherwise... but people have the right to expect the negative opinions to be kept to the one thread and not multiple threads taking up page one less than a week before opening day.

So really, I could sum it up like this: You have far more positive posts than negative posts and are a good poster. However, no matter how many times you've posted positive things, expect a lot of negative feedback from your negative posts... particularly when Dallas has yet to play one real game. You had to know that calling Carpenter a bad pick before even his first game as a Cowboy would generate quite a few upset remarks... you just had to. So, it shouldn't surprise you that you got what you did from your two posts.

That's my $0.02 worth.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Qwick statements like these when the regular season has yet to even start have about as much intelligence associated on them as predicting season results based on the preseason.

 

[X-Dawg]

Qwikdraw and the X-Dawg breakin off the troof that the KoolAid posse just can't handle in the 06'...

 

[burmafrd]

To call someone a bust that has not even played in one regular season game is just plain DUMB.

 

[Kilyin]

Qwikdraw and the X-Dawg breakin off the troof that the KoolAid posse just can't handle in the 06'...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I actually thought this X-dawg was Nors, briefly. This guy actually makes me miss Nors though.

 

[X-Dawg]

To call someone a bust that has not even played in one regular season game is just plain DUMB.

And to be blind to how non existent he's been is even Dumber...

 

[burmafrd]

As I said- DUMB is to call someone a bust who has yet to play in the regular season. That kind of stupidity is painfully obvious to the more intelligent people who will give a guy at least a season or two to prove himself. You might have heard of them? Tom Landry? Bill Parcells?

 

[skinsscalper]

One thing I will defend in the midst of all this rant is the Carpenter pick. Now, before everyone jumps my case, let's rewind to the reason he was picked over Manny Lawson (who has much more upside). Bill explained after the draft that the reason that they took Carpenter over Lawson (whom Bill admitted to being intrigued with) after the draft was because Carpenter would be ready to contribute immediately and Lawson would need a year to develop. Now, fast forward. Look at who, of the two, is going to be contributing immediately for their team and who is going to be "developed".

Not saying Carp was a bad pick, but if the guy we picked is going to be a back-up his first year, Manny Lawson seems to me to be the guy with more Pro Bowl potential. I don't beleive that Carp will ever be anything more than just a guy. Solid, but nothing special. Lawson on the other hand (with a year to bulk up) could, potentially, be unstoppable.

SS

 

[Qwickdraw]

Your welcome... and you are a good poster. I've had some very good draft discussions with you.

However, even if you stated that you weren't complaining, I can tell you that it definately comes across as complaining. And if you are calling Carp a bad draft pick then you might as well be calling him a bust. To say he isn't a bust but that he was a bad draft choice for us doesn't fly very well. It's semantics and everyone and their brother will take you saying he was a bad pick, the same as you calling him a bust. And frankly the line between them is so fine that it might as well be the same.

You say you were just instigating discussion and that's fine. Like you said... it really worked. However, there was a definate negative tone to your posts, and while that will get a lot of responses... you better be ready for the inevitable barrage of people downing you for that negativity. And like someone said... one thread was really enough. People don't like negative things being said about a team that they're passionate about... which is why you get so many responses... but there is no reason to start different threads about very similar topics.

You do have the right, of course, to state your opinions negative or otherwise... but people have the right to expect the negative opinions to be kept to the one thread and not multiple threads taking up page one less than a week before opening day.

So really, I could sum it up like this: You have far more positive posts than negative posts and are a good poster. However, no matter how many times you've posted positive things, expect a lot of negative feedback from your negative posts... particularly when Dallas has yet to play one real game. You had to know that calling Carpenter a bad pick before even his first game as a Cowboy would generate quite a few upset remarks... you just had to. So, it shouldn't surprise you that you got what you did from your two posts.

That's my $0.02 worth.

Good post and point taken.

I'll say this... I should have worded my initial statements differently because I am fully aware that they had a negative tone. But it was kind of tongue in cheek and I expected to have many feeling the same way.
I still believe I had 2 different topics to discuss worthy of 2 different threads.
Seems both threads became redundant when everyone else decided to use them as a soapbox to preach to me and others about negativity and contraversial opinion.

 

[Jay]

I stopped reading after the original post by QwickDraw. All he does is complain, it's getting really old. I suggest others not to waste their time.

One question, Qwick--why are you basing EVERYTHING off preseason? Vanderjagt missed 2 field goals.. what happens if he goes the rest of the season only missing 2 or 3? What then?

At this point, it just feels like you're just searching for something to complain about.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Anyone else get this feeling?

That Fabini only made this team because we paid him so much that he better contribute something?
And that Boiman was a waste of money?
And that Vanderjagt looks like he's just going to continue our kicking problems... this time, at a higher pricetag?
And that Coleman is entirely unneeded?
And that even T.O. who is no doubt a fine player, is just causing a lot of unnecessry contraversy and spending for a guy who may be past his peak years and is going to keep guys like Rector, Hurd and Austin from being able to get enough PT to ever come into their own?

Ayodele sounds like he was the only worthy one but now we seem to have more depth at LB than ever so was he even worth the signing?

Not saying we shouldn't have attempted to upgrade these positions... I was all for siging a FS, RT, K, and WR.
But it's ironic how most of them now seem to be unnecessary.

Don't you think it's a bit early to say that someone is a worhtless signing before the season starts? Coleman cost us next to nothing.

Not anyones fault that Boiman was outperformed by a younger player with more potential

Let's see Vanderjagt screw up in the regular season before we write him off.

TO hasn't actually done ANYTHING that should have caused a stir. The guy was hurt. So until he actually does something detremental to the team, calm down.

Fabini is here because he can play both tackles. No one is asking him to start. But I do feel more comfortable with him on the edge rather than Torrin Tucker, wouldn't you say?

What's with everyon'es negativity around here.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

McQ beat out Petitti as did Fabini...

Boiman was there for LB insurance and the younger guys -- and Ellis -- surprised...

Will see about Vandy - no one was complaining when they signed him...

Ayodele is starting and has played good in camp...

Colmeman was FS insurance that cost us nothing if we cut him...

The media caused most of the TO situation.

I certainly don't see it like you do, sorry.

BAMM!


EXACTLY!




Columbo is obviously a far better athlete than Petitie, Hoyte surprised as a Free Agent to replace Boiman, Vandy is only the most accurate kicker ever to play in the NFL, Coleman could be an asset at CB or FS after his 4 game suspension and Terrel Owens will almost completely shut up his harshest critics the minute he helps Dallas win a single game they will begin to look and sound totally and completely ignorant. That starts next week.