Our pass rush is putrid

[Royal Laegotti]

New England against Colts at home, got zero sacks against Manning.

I ain't talking about just this year dude.You know these teams have been running the 3-4 for years now don't cha?

As far as Pitt and Ravens, I am watching the game and I see zero pressure when Ravens or Pitt do not blitz. But Hey, I guess I don't have blinders on.

I've already addressed this game, if you go back and read you'll see what I said. But it ain't the 25th yet so nevermind.

Yet you continue to whine and complain about me denying facts. I just posted, that I was not happy with Pass rush. But I gave you the reason why we didn't get much.

And on top of it, hear it from Pasqualoni himself.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200762

And look you want to reference a guy who you want to the team to replace. BTW they got 4 picks and still nearly got beat. Good thing he was "patient" today.

But I guess you don't care. ALl you want to hear it, Cowboys pass rush sucks and that only because of Cowboys players suck. Well, then I guess you want to see what you want to see.

Guys every week get on here and make excuses for bad play from this team. I sure am glad you ain't coaching this team or else they never would get better.

 

[Chief]

I don't have time to read this whole thread, so this may have already been addressed.

Peyton doesn't get sacked all that often. They had a graphic a couple of weeks ago that showed how long he holds the ball, which was under 2 seconds for most of the plays that game.

He throws INTs (heh, heh), but he doesn't take sacks.

Having said that, Wade's favorite player (Spencer) is underachieving this year. They should play Butler more ... rotate them or something.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

i cant understand how the drop off has been that significant from last yr to this. primarily the same players and scheme yet the pass rush is completely dead. nothing like how it was towards the end of the last season.

i expect ware to face constant double teams especially when theres no one viable on the other side deterring attention from him.

getting someone to push spencer for that starting spot opposite ware is a must

 

[RCowboyFan]

We're letting up wayyy too many yards imo. We've been in the 4 games because our offense is scoring more and our D and ST have been making very timely plays.

Can't expect those big plays to bail you out every week though.

I never said I disagreed. LIke I said, I do not like the scheme that Pasqualoni is employing. Reminds me too much of Bill Parcells era D. Play it safe D, with no pressure because Cowboys refuse to run any exotic blitzes or disguise blitzes etc.

What I objected to is that, the sole reason for Cowboys D not generating enough pressure under Pasqualoni D is not because of lack of players only. That is also a factor. I.e. other than Ware no one else is putting enough consistent pressure. On the same hand, I watch enough NFL games every day ( NFL ticket obviously) to know, Cowboys are not unique in that regard.

Unless you do some disguising and then also have good players, you are not going to generate pressure. Seems like Pasqualoni played it safe, as he noted himself this game. Way too safe actually, that almost cost them the game. But then since they won and got those turnovers on flip side you can say that is the reason they won.

 

[RCowboyFan]

I ain't talking about just this year dude.You know these teams have been running the 3-4 for years now don't cha?I've already addressed this game, if you go back and read you'll see what I said. But it ain't the 25th yet so nevermind.
And look you want to reference a guy who you want to the team to replace. BTW they got 4 picks and still nearly got beat. Good thing he was "patient" today.
Guys every week get on here and make excuses for bad play from this team. I sure am glad you ain't coaching this team or else they never would get better.

Make up your mind will ya. Last year our Pressure was just fine. I think they were top 5 in Sacks. This year they are not. So whats your point? Stealers/Ravens/New England haven't been good at getting pressure. In Fact New England sucked at it pretty bad last year and this year. Look it up if you want.

I didn't make excuses, on the other hand you are repeating the same thing, regardless of the proof I keep showing you. Like I said you just don't want to accept the facts.

 

[EPL0c0]

This was a problem before Wade was fired, it's just as much a problem now.

It's not necessarily coaching... it's the players. WHat more can you do in practice or the game other than start benching guys? I mean really, what would it hurt at this point...there's no consistant pass rush anyway.

 

[DallasDomination]

I think everybody knows by now the Cowboys have ZERO pass rush...Up the middle they are pretty much always getting pushed back. Ware is not playing very well this year for some reason and Spencer just sucks.

 

[SDogo]

Putrid is such a kind word. It's much like saying our OL is putrid.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I never said I disagreed. LIke I said, I do not like the scheme that Pasqualoni is employing. Reminds me too much of Bill Parcells era D. Play it safe D, with no pressure because Cowboys refuse to run any exotic blitzes or disguise blitzes etc.

What I objected to is that, the sole reason for Cowboys D not generating enough pressure under Pasqualoni D is not because of lack of players only. That is also a factor. I.e. other than Ware no one else is putting enough consistent pressure. On the same hand, I watch enough NFL games every day ( NFL ticket obviously) to know, Cowboys are not unique in that regard.

Unless you do some disguising and then also have good players, you are not going to generate pressure. Seems like Pasqualoni played it safe, as he noted himself this game. Way too safe actually, that almost cost them the game. But then since they won and got those turnovers on flip side you can say that is the reason they won.

I understand your position and agree Pauly P plays it safe.

However, my point is that if you look at successful 34 D's (like Pitt and Bal) they can get a push from their front 3 on the DL without having to blitz everytime they want pressure. They have disruptive DL's.. and it all starts with having a solid NT. We lack that and it is one of the most important aspects in any 34. If we get one next year, either through FA or the draft, and move Rat to DE, i bet you a sack of marbles our pass rush will start to show alot more life.. with or without alot of blitzing.

Also, do you really think if you went to Tomlin or Harbaugh they'd tell you that they only expect their guys to get pressure when they call blitzes? Come on man..

 

[RCowboyFan]

I understand your position and agree Pauly P plays it safe.

However, my point is that if you look at successful 34 D's (like Pitt and Bal) they can get a push from their front 3 on the DL without having to blitz everytime they want pressure. They have disruptive DL's.. and it all starts with having a solid NT. We lack that and it is one of the most important aspects in any 34. If we get one next year, either through FA or the draft, and move Rat to DE, i bet you a sack of marbles our pass rush will start to show alot more life.. with or without alot of blitzing.

Also, do you really think if you went to Tomlin or Harbaugh they'd tell you that they only expect their guys to get pressure when they call blitzes? Come on man..

And Garrett is not expecting the same? Whats your point there?

Bill Parcells said that same thing, that its not the scheme but players. But as soon as Wade came in, Ware etc. busted out like gang busters. Proof is in the pudding.

 

[GOLDENCHILD1688]

This was a problem before Wade was fired, it's just as much a problem now.

It's not necessarily coaching... it's the players. WHat more can you do in practice or the game other than start benching guys? I mean really, what would it hurt at this point...there's no consistant pass rush anyway.

exactly

so is not simly its coach p new vanilla defense. this was a problem even with wade and a unit that had a good amount of sacks the prior yr

like i said in my post ware will continue to get double team and game planned to be taken out of the gm by opposing teams until we get a viable option on the other side of him

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Make up your mind will ya. Last year our Pressure was just fine. I think they were top 5 in Sacks. This year they are not. So whats your point? Stealers/Ravens/New England haven't been good at getting pressure. In Fact New England sucked at it pretty bad last year and this year. Look it up if you want.

Never said Dallas had a bad pass rush last year. The players were better then, they suck now, for whatever reason. How is that a contradiction? It's the truth. Heck even Wade was better then but he sucked this year and got canned.

I didn't make excuses, on the other hand you are repeating the same thing, regardless of the proof I keep showing you. Like I said you just don't want to accept the facts.

What proof? This Raven/Steelers game that I ain't paying attention to because I'm posting to people like you? Judging by how much your posting you probably ain't paying too much attention to it either so you're just confabulating about it I reckon. Proof? PP, what he said? So he schemed it that way, great, I say he knows he doesn't have much of a rush with 4 DL (because they suck, but he won't say that) so he thinks why not drop a guy into coverage. So he thinks you shouldn't blitz Manning well tell that to San Diego who gave him a "happy feet" beat down last week. Granted I don't know how much they blitzed or even how many sacks they got but I know they got alot of pressure and alot of hits on him, which has been my whole point, pressure not just sacks!

 

[RoyTheHammer]

And Garrett is not expecting the same? Whats your point there?

Bill Parcells said that same thing, that its not the scheme but players. But as soon as Wade came in, Ware etc. busted out like gang busters. Proof is in the pudding.

Yes! Im fairly sure if Garrett is as smart as he seems to be that he knows with this defense we arn't getting pressure without blitzting. I hope he knows that at least.

:laugh2:

 

[RCowboyFan]

Never said Dallas had a bad pass rush last year. The players were better then, they suck now, for whatever reason. How is that a contradiction? It's the truth. Heck even Wade was better then but he sucked this year and got canned.

What proof? This Raven/Steelers game that I ain't paying attention to because I'm posting to people like you? Judging by how much your posting you probably ain't paying too much attention to it either so you're just confabulating about it I reckon. Proof? PP, what he said? So he schemed it that way, great, I say he knows he doesn't have much of a rush with 4 DL (because they suck, but he won't say that) so he thinks why not drop a guy into coverage. So he thinks you shouldn't blitz Manning well tell that to San Diego who gave him a "happy feet" beat down last week. Granted I don't know how much they blitzed or even how many sacks they got but I know they got alot of pressure and alot of hits on him, which has been my whole point, pressure not just sacks!

Because I have watched Ravens play 2-3 other games than just this game. And the fact that Stealers at home barely touched Tom Brady this year.

Yet you continue to ignore that.

On second had you don't know how many times they blized or if they were effective. All you know is the end result. And you are still trying to argue about it? There is an old saying I know. YOu can argue with someone who knows and you can argue with someone who doesn't know. But you can't argue with someone who knows only half of it.

I don't even see the point of discussing here. You are just arguing for argument sake. So carry on.

 

[Parche]

We pick THE Manning 4 times, two for TDs, at their home...

You cant do that without some QB pressure.

I guess our D played fine today. As good as we can do, right now.

As the pass rush, you cant rush Manning all the time, nor that much, cause he can torch you easily. I liked the way PP planned this game. Just play coverage and take your chances. We did, and picked him 4 times.

I would change our 2 starting DEs for next year, by the way. (as it would be that easy.)

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Because I have watched Ravens play 2-3 other games than just this game. And the fact that Stealers at home barely touched Tom Brady this year.

Yet you continue to ignore that.

On second had you don't know how many times they blized or if they were effective. All you know is the end result. And you are still trying to argue about it? There is an old saying I know. YOu can argue with someone who knows and you can argue with someone who doesn't know. But you can't argue with someone who knows only half of it.

I don't even see the point of discussing here. You are just arguing for argument sake. So carry on.

I've never seen anyone post out of both sides of their butt as you do and you have the gall to accuse me of "knowing half" of my argument because I don't have some meaningless stats in front of me to spew at you. Does the league even keep stats on QB pressures or after the pass hits on QBs? I'll tell ya this, if they do the Cowboys don't have much of either. You are a master at contradiction, you've done in arguing with me and what I've read of some of your other posts on this thread and other threads. You are right about this though there isn't any point in continuing a discussion with you. Good luck making a set of cheeks of yourself, you won't need any!

 

[Kevinicus]

I can't remember exactly, but pressure by Ware led to one of the picks for a TD or the one in OT. I'm thinking it was the one Lee took back. Ware pushed the OT right in Manning's face.

 

[bleedin' blue]

Well, considering that the Colts on average allow Manning to be sacked about 12 times a year, I'd say it would've been stupid to expect us to go in there and run up a bunch of sacks.

Also, do you really think there was no pressure on him? You think those 4 picks didn't happen because he had to throw the ball sooner than he wanted to? On Lee's 2nd pick, he most definitely got picked because Ware was in his face and he didn't see Jenkins being as close as he was.
:laugh2:

This.

 

[EPL0c0]

It's the inconsistancy of the Dallas defense that bugs me. This game was a GREAT example: Which defense shows up on which drives?

Manning had 6 completions (out of 36) of 15 or more yards. So a QB doesn't have to stretch this defense to be effective, just keep connecting and that happens when he has time to throw.

On 4 scoring drives, Peyton was 25/28 298yds, 2TDs (134.8 QBRating)
10/10 60yds
4/4 80yds
5/6 84yds
6/8 74yds

Non-Scoring drives he was 11/20 77yds 4INTs (24.3 QBRating)
2/4 16yds (INT)
2/3 19yds (INT-TD)
1/2 1yd (Punt)
2/2 8yds (Punt)
0/2 0yds (INT-TD)
3/4 17yds (Punt)
1/3 6yds (INT)

As a unit, they just need to be more consistant in how they read the offense and attack the QB.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Ware and Spencer both need to develop more pash rush moves.