Out of these choices, who would you take?

[Bob Sacamano]

It doesn't?

So you would have taken Gholston last year because he was rated double digit spots ahead of DRC?

probably, now if it were like you said, a few spots, then i could go with the lower rated guy, but with double-digits, I have to go with the much, higher rated prospect

and yeah, what a consensus is on a message board is something I don't take into consideration regarding who a better prospect is

 

[SLATEmosphere]

probably, now if it were like you said, a few spots, then i could go with the lower rated guy, but with double-digits, I have to go with the much, higher rated prospect

and yeah, what a consensus is on a message board is something I don't take into consideration regarding who a better prospect is

So double digits spots don't mean SQUAT!! Gholston was double digit spots ahead of DRC..how'd that work out?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

So double digits spots don't mean SQUAT!! Gholston was double digit spots ahead of DRC..how'd that work out?

you try to take the highest-rated player on your board, and if it fits a need, I don't know why you're fighting that idea (nvm, you're a Sean Smith butt-licker...

we took Ware double-digits spots ahead of Fabian Washington...how'd that work out? he-YUK!

 

[SLATEmosphere]

you try to take the highest-rated player on your board, I don't know why you're fighting that idea (nvm, you're a Sean Smith butt-licker...

we took Ware double-digits spots ahead of Marcus Spears...how'd that work our he-YUK!

But wait...I'm just using your logic..if a player is rated higher on a website then he MUST be better..therefore it's hands down...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But wait...I'm just using your logic..if a player is rated higher on a website then he MUST be better..therefore it's hands down...

I said that? show me where

I'm saying that taking the highest-rated player (by a wide-margin), not to mention the most athletically gifted (that too by a wide margin), should be a hands-down decision

 

[SLATEmosphere]

he's the highest rated player of all the choices...

There you go...

JA=Epic Fail

 

[SLATEmosphere]

more like double digit spots ahead of him, he could sneak into the 1st round, no way in hell Smith does

the majority on a message board doesn't mean much really

And here's another one using your wide margin comment...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

There you go...

JA=Epic Fail

so rate is another way to say better?

 

[SLATEmosphere]

so rate is another way to say better?

You sure insuated it

JA=Fail

BYE..have a good night.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

let me make this clear since you seem to be a little confused here

is Barwin the better prospect than Smith? you betcha, he's a phenominal athlete at a premium position, pass-rusher, not saying CB isn't a premium position, but Smith isn't quite the athlete Barwin is (Barwin is 42lbs bigger, only .10 second slower, more explosive and fluid)

now is Barwin going to be the better player because he's rated higher? I don't like declaring that this early, as it takes a rookie 3 years in the NFL before you can actually tell that

but I can tell you this, having Barwin and Ware as bookends at OLB is going to make it very hard for a QB to complete passes

 

[28 Joker]

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Lawrence Sidbury


Bunting rates him as a 2nd-3rd rounder and has him ranked at # 51. Good-bye Greg Ellis.


Sean Smith ran a 4.47 and 4.48 at his pro day. He has been compared to Nnamdi Asoughma. Asoughma ran a 4.48 and went in late round 1. Smith should go in round one, probably in the 21-32 range, imo. The teams that view him as a CB, compare him to Asoughma. Asoughma doesn't play off, because he's a little stiff like Smith. He plays press man.

I'm not saying Smith is Asoughma. I'm saying he's a first rounder based on his play and measureables. Both guys are tall and rangy. I predict a team will draft him for CB and not safety.

Now, the guy from Cincinnati is rated high, too. He's long gone and looks like a first rounder, too. Some teams still view him as a TE prospect.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

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Lawrence Sidbury


Bunting rates him as a 2nd-3rd rounder and has him ranked at # 51. Good-bye Greg Ellis.


Sean Smith ran a 4.47 and 4.48 at his pro day. He has been compared to Nnamdi Asoughma. Asoughma ran a 4.48 and went in late round 1. Smith should go in round one, probably in the 21-32 range, imo. The teams that view him as a CB, compare him to Asoughma. Asoughma doesn't play off, because he's a little stiff like Smith. He plays press man.

I'm not saying Smith is Asoughma. I'm saying he's a first rounder based on his play and measureables. Both guys are tall and rangy. I predict a team will draft him for CB and not safety.

Now, the guy from Cincinnati is rated high, too. He's long gone and looks like a first rounder, too. Some teams still view him as a TE prospect.

the guys at NFLDS don't see him as a Nmandi prospect, they actually compare him to Matt Ware, another guy they compare him to is Mike Rumph, they actually say he's not an elite talent like Nmandi

they do say that he has extremely quick feet, although not very good short-area quickness, and is slow to adjust when back-pedaling when a receiver cuts his route short aka makes a move

 

[28 Joker]

the guys at NFLDS don't see him as a Nmandi prospect, they actually compare him to Matt Ware, another guy they compare him to is Mike Rumph, they actually say he's not an elite talent like Nmandi

they do say that he has extremely quick feet, although not very good short-area quickness, and is slow to adjust when back-pedaling when a receiver cuts his route short aka makes a move

Yeah. I just read one report that compared him to the Raiders CB. NFLDS doesn't like him as much as Bunting. That is for sure. Bunting has him ranked at 19 in his top 100.

I just checked on Nnamdi's 40 time. I"ve seen 4.48 and 4.45. I couldn't find any short shuttle times for him on NFLDS. I wanted to compare his to Smith's.

Smith ran a 4.15 short shuttle. I only saw him play one time, but he played Julio Jones really tough at CB.

Terence Newman ran a 3.83 short-shuttle.

Nevertheless, I think he comes off in round one (CB or FS), and that is why I like Sidbury.

Who is Matt Ware?

I read where the Giants and some other teams sent their TEs coach to look at Barwin, but Rex Ryan (among others) was there looking at him as a rush OLB.


EDIT:

Did you see those pictures of Aaron Maybin? How did he put on that muscle so fast? Very interesting.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Yeah. I just read one report that compared him to the Raiders CB. NFLDS doesn't like him as much as Bunting. That is for sure. Bunting has him ranked at 19 in his top 100.

I just checked on Nnamdi's 40 time. I"ve seen 4.48 and 4.45. I couldn't find any short shuttle times for him on NFLDS. I wanted to compare his to Smith's.

Smith ran a 4.15 short shuttle. I only saw him play one time, but he played Julio Jones really tough at CB.

Terence Newman ran a 3.83 short-shuttle.

Nevertheless, I think he comes off in round one (CB or FS), and that is why I like Sidbury.

Who is Matt Ware?

I read where the Giants and some other teams sent their TEs coach to look at Barwin, but Rex Ryan (among others) was there looking at him as a rush OLB.

what's funny about Sean Smith is that the guys pimping him, esp. Slate, have already said that Smith doesn't have the quickness to play CB, and will be a better safety

sounds like Smith would be a better zone corner than man-cover corner, NFLDS is sticking him at boundary corner

regards Matt Ware, he was a big CB Philadelphia drafted in the 3rd round a while back who flopped, about the same size, 6'3" 209, ran about the same time at the Combine, 4.54, rated the same, solid 2nd rounder, although projected at FS, where alot of people are putting Sean Smith

 

[Bob Sacamano]

EDIT:

Did you see those pictures of Aaron Maybin? How did he put on that muscle so fast? Very interesting.

I saw that, it is interesting

 

[28 Joker]

what's funny about Sean Smith is that the guys pimping him, esp. Slate, have already said that Smith doesn't have the quickness to play CB, and will be a better safety

sounds like Smith would be a better zone corner than man-cover corner, NFLDS is sticking him at boundary corner

regards Matt Ware, he was a big CB Philadelphia drafted in the 3rd round a while back who flopped, about the same size, 6'3" 209, ran the same time at the Combine, 4.54, rated the same, solid 2nd rounder

He must have flopped. Brandon Flowers played boundary at VT.

I really don't know where Smith will play. If he was really comparable to Asoughma, we would probably hear more about it. Just because some teams mlight look at him as a CB, that doesn't mean he's on Asoughma's level. That's for sure. They compare in size, though.

The Titans drafted Micheal Griffin for CB but moved him back to SS. That is where he belongs. He's a good player.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He must have flopped. Brandon Flowers played boundary at VT.

I really don't know where Smith will play. If he was really comparable to Asoughma, we would probably hear more about it. Just because some teams mlight look at him as a CB, that doesn't mean he's on Asoughma's level. That's for sure. They compare in size, though.

The Titans drafted Micheal Griffin for CB but moved him back to SS. That is where he belongs. He's a good player.

Smith wants to play CB, he's rated as a CB, so he's probably going to start out as one

depends on the scheme he goes to, if it's a zone, he'll probably stay at CB, if it's an aggressive zone, same thing, but if it's a man scheme, they'll probably end up moving him to safety

 

[Monstarr31]

SEAN SMITH he can be a good coverage Safety

 

[jterrell]

Help, input wanted!

My personal choice for our first pick is not one of these choices because he may not be available when we pick at #51 overall (depending if we trade up/down of course). So with that in mind, I'm attempting to formulate a back-up plan for my mock.

Among only these 7 players listed, who would you take w/ our #51 overall pick and why or why not? I have an idea of who I would go with but wanted to see other members' opinions. Thanks in advance!

1. Patrick Chung - S
2. Derrick Williams - WR
3. Lawrence Sidbury, Jr. - DE/OLB
4. Rashad Johnson - S
5. Juaquin Iglesias - WR
6. Sean Smith - CB/S
7. Connor Barwin - DE/OLB
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Connor Barwin > Rashad Johnson > Sean Smith > Chung > Sidbury > Williams > Iglesias

I think Barwin is going to be a better OLB than Anthony Spencer.

I love Rashad Johnson's leadership skills, overall game and his toughness.

Sean Smith is almost ideal for a coverage FS but he is committed to being a CB.

Chung is a better coverage guy thena given credit for and still a serious thumper.

Sidbury has potential but he got roughed up a bit at the Senior Bowl practices.

Williams looked 100x better as his pro day but all I have is his combine on dvr and he looked awful there. I still realize he is a heck of a player but I question penn state guys and WR in general.

I wouldn't even consider Iglesias at 51. He is a Patrick Crayton type who is rock solid but not great in any one area.

 

[jterrell]

Yeah. I just read one report that compared him to the Raiders CB. NFLDS doesn't like him as much as Bunting. That is for sure. Bunting has him ranked at 19 in his top 100.

I just checked on Nnamdi's 40 time. I"ve seen 4.48 and 4.45. I couldn't find any short shuttle times for him on NFLDS. I wanted to compare his to Smith's.

Smith ran a 4.15 short shuttle. I only saw him play one time, but he played Julio Jones really tough at CB.

Terence Newman ran a 3.83 short-shuttle.

Nevertheless, I think he comes off in round one (CB or FS), and that is why I like Sidbury.

Who is Matt Ware?

I read where the Giants and some other teams sent their TEs coach to look at Barwin, but Rex Ryan (among others) was there looking at him as a rush OLB.


EDIT:

Did you see those pictures of Aaron Maybin? How did he put on that muscle so fast? Very interesting.

Sean Smith has stated he sees himself as a zone coverage CB in a Tampa 2 scheme. He is a bright kid but not a man coverage guy.

Raw 40 speed is the most overrated skill ever for a CB. there is a reason why guys running 4.3's get cut and guy like Henry start 7 years in the league. You need some speed but most importantly you need to be able to handle guys in coverage. For Dallas that coverage requirement is playing man up press coverage. Same as it is for most nickel corners.

It is all about a guys hip flexion and their ability to turn and run quickly after getting a good jam at the line of scrimmage.