Overheard in CZ, Experts fix for Cowboys

[DaBoys4Life]

We finished 11-5. We broke the trend of struggling every December/January by winning our last 3 regular season games. We beat our biggest rival in a game to win the division and clinch the 3rd seed. We beat the same team a week later in the playoffs, ending that drought and making it 3-0 vs the hated Eagles this year. We did so winning those last two in dominant fashion. We closed the season with back to back shutouts, the first time in our franchise's history that we've ever done that.The defense improved by leaps and bounds as the season wore on. The offense broke a number of club records. Our QB had his best season ever.

Despite all that, we get these gems. Everyone of these things has been posted here and some multiple times in the last few weeks, and most of them since Sunday's loss:

QB- Romo is nothing more than average and we will never win anything with him. Time to find a replacement.

RB- Felix Jones was a wasted pick, we should have drafted ______. He sux on kick returns.

WR- Miles Austin has an amazing season, finishes at the top of the league in a number of key stats despite not starting till week 5. We should trade him for a first round pick or two.

WR- Patrick Crayton, gotta be replaced. Forget about how effective he is as a slot WR with great hands, gets open and makes first downs. Even finished 3rd in the league as a ount returner.

LT- Flozelle Adams is overrated and should be benched or out and out replaced, even though we witness our team's OL collapse w/o him at Minnesota.

TE- Martellus Bennett was a wasted pick, we should have traded him for whatever was offered.

TE- Jason Witten has lost steps, he cant stretch a defense, he doesnt make enough YAC. He cant block a DE.

NT- We need to draft one to replace Jay Ratliff, arguably the most dominant interior DL in the league, and even though he says he loves it at NT.

OLB- DeMarcus Ware, not as good as Anthony Spencer, disappears all the time. Every team can easily control him if they want.

CB- Terence Newman, he sux and we'd be lucky to get even a 7th rd pick for him.

CB- Mike Jenkins..."garbage" according to one genius poster

HC- Wade Phillips...wins 67% of his games here...wins a postseason game...coaches outstanding defense and has a knack for finding talent for the defense. Gotta let him go. We'll surely never win anything with him.

OC- Jason Garrett...anybody could surely do better than him...forget about th development of Romo or the records set offensively this yr, or in 2007.

Cowboys Stadium- too big...waste of money...Jones went overboard

Cowboys Owner/GM---yes he sux, doesnt know what he's doing, has to hire a GM, doesnt matter who...good players on this team are only here by luck, and we dont want to talk about those. Lets talk about the one that got away in 1995 etc etc

With so much suckness, I'm quite sure the 11-5 record is a mistake, the playoff win didnt happen and all those guys on our team going to the probowl were surely mistakes. Nope, this clearly is a 4-12 team that needs a major overhaul. Fortunately we have CZ experts to show us the way.

I think the bold is legitimate qualms to have with this team. If you can prove other wise then go right ahead. But you can't so keep on spinning. You're Wade thing sounds a lot like the people who defend Andy Reid.

 

[dbair1967]

Scoring 20 more points is not the point. Scoring commensurate with yards gained is the point. We were well off the 80 points per 1000 yards gained gold standard. We should have scored over 400 points this year. Not scoring as we should have hurt us. While our defense did fail against MN, it was not a problem this year otherwise. Right now the problem is the offense.

I'm curious, this is the 2nd time you have posted this number of 80 pts per 1000 yds of offense. By your standard on how to judge an offense then, very few teams in this league were "good"

Regardless, its not the sole indicator of how good or bad an offense is.

As for your comment about the defense, the defense played poorly the first two games of the year and we lost one of them. They blew leads vs Denver and KC, and in both of those games gave up late tds to either lose or tie the game. They had a couple of breakdowns in the 2nd Giants game that cost us, and they started out and ended the game poorly vs San Diego. The defense was good most of the yr, but it wasnt without flaws.

 

[dbair1967]

Which games do you think the defense cost us?

Played lousy vs Tampa, played poor and lost the first Giants game. Blew leads and lost or allowed tie in games vs Denver and KC. Had breakdowns in 2nd Giants loss, started off and ended poorly vs San Diego (1st and 4th qtr)

 

[Cover 2]

Played lousy vs Tampa, played poor and lost the first Giants game. Blew leads and lost or allowed tie in games vs Denver and KC. Had breakdowns in 2nd Giants loss, started off and ended poorly vs San Diego (1st and 4th qtr)

We won vs Tampa, Romo lost the first Giants game, held Denver to 17 points, We beat KC, I'll give you the second Giants game, and held San Diego to like 20 points (going off memory on that one).

So that's one game the defense let us down on.

 

[Hoofbite]

Played lousy vs Tampa, played poor and lost the first Giants game. Blew leads and lost or allowed tie in games vs Denver and KC. Had breakdowns in 2nd Giants loss, started off and ended poorly vs San Diego (1st and 4th qtr)

Lost the 1st Giants game? You wanna talk about short memory, go and take a look at how many turnovers Romo had in that game. The ridiculous pick-6.

Denver game, they allowed 17 points. Again, turnovers (1 in the rezone) and a complete flop on two slants at Champ Bailey cost Dallas that game.

KC, fumbles galore. That was the game where Crayton had a couple and even Ogletree fumbled on a return. KC started on the Dallas 16 yard line at one point in that game. Not many defenses can hold a team to zero points with that.

You might have an argument against the 2nd Giants game but other than that, not happening. Held SD to 20 points and picked Rivers off once.

 

[ShiningStar]

Lost the 1st Giants game? You wanna talk about short memory, go and take a look at how many turnovers Romo had in that game. The ridiculous pick-6.

Denver game, they allowed 17 points. Again, turnovers (1 in the rezone) and a complete flop on two slants at Champ Bailey cost Dallas that game.

KC, fumbles galore. That was the game where Crayton had a couple and even Ogletree fumbled on a return. KC started on the Dallas 16 yard line at one point in that game. Not many defenses can hold a team to zero points with that.

You might have an argument against the 2nd Giants game but other than that, not happening. Held SD to 20 points and picked Rivers off once.

agreed with everything in this post, i am proud of the d but its going to need some new players.

 

[dbair1967]

We won vs Tampa, Romo lost the first Giants game, held Denver to 17 points, We beat KC, I'll give you the second Giants game, and held San Diego to like 20 points (going off memory on that one).

So that's one game the defense let us down on.

The defense gave up alot of pts and yds vs NYG. Romo played bad, but you score 31 at home you should win that game.

We beat KC because Miles Austin bailed out the team, not because of the defense. Bad defense was why the game ended up in OT in the first place. The defense held Denver and SD to decent point totals, but in both games came up small with the game on the line.

We only lost 6 games out of 17. In 3 of the losses the other team scored 31+ points.

I'm not saying the offense was a work of art, but again some of you are acting like it was awful, and it clearly wasnt. We were up at the top of the league in alot of areas. Romo had arguably his best year ever. His turnovers were greatly reduced. and set a franchise record for total yds in a season. We had our highest number of rush yards since 2001. Our time of possession ranked 6th overall.

 

[dbair1967]

Lost the 1st Giants game? You wanna talk about short memory, go and take a look at how many turnovers Romo had in that game. The ridiculous pick-6.

Manning had a career day that night. So did their two WR's. We scored 31 pts in a home game, you shouldnt be losing that. Romo played bad, but the defense was terrible.

Denver game, they allowed 17 points. Again, turnovers (1 in the rezone) and a complete flop on two slants at Champ Bailey cost Dallas that game.

Well again, the defense allowed the late TD that lost the game.

KC, fumbles galore. That was the game where Crayton had a couple and even Ogletree fumbled on a return. KC started on the Dallas 16 yard line at one point in that game. Not many defenses can hold a team to zero points with that.

They didnt start on our 16 with the game on the line at the end, and they marched right down field for the game tying TD.

You might have an argument against the 2nd Giants game but other than that, not happening. Held SD to 20 points and picked Rivers off once.

The SD was very good for two quarters, but very poor in the 1st and 4th qtr, and the game was on the line in the 4th qtr, and we didnt stop them on either of their 4th qtr possessions.

 

[tko112204]

Doug Free is the LT of the future, Doug Free is the LT of the future, Doug Free is the LT of the future, DOUG FREE IS THE LT OF THE FUTURE. No way Brewster gets cut, he will eventually get a shot at G. People are really worried about Miles Austin? He was seeing double coverage after the ATL game and still performed admirably. How in the world can we say we have more questions than last year at this time? We had cut TO, were presumably relying on RW11 to be the "no. 1", we were incorporating 5 new starters on D, and we had just laid down in the last game of the year.

This year, we won a playoff game. I know we got beat handily in our 2nd playoff game, but didn't lay down. We were just beaten by a 12-4 team that came out jacked up and destroyed our banged up and worn down OL. Gave up the fewest points in the NFC, developed the best pass rush tandem in the NFC, scored more points and gained more yards than last year, our QB matured and became what we all wanted him to be. Our defense is young and has one more year of experience and one more year learning the intricacies of Wade's 3-4.

Yes, we need a bonafide number 2 threat at WR and more young talent on the OL, but we have a chance to be much better next year than we were this year and we were pretty damn good this year.


I really hope the next 5 months won't be like this, I really like it around here, but the doom and gloom is getting ridiculous.

 

[dbair1967]

I really hope the next 5 months won't be like this, I really like it around here, but the doom and gloom is getting ridiculous.

Welcome to the CZ world.

 

[tko112204]

We won vs Tampa, Romo lost the first Giants game, held Denver to 17 points, We beat KC, I'll give you the second Giants game, and held San Diego to like 20 points (going off memory on that one).

So that's one game the defense let us down on.

Good point on KC and the point that everyone is forgetting is they got the ball first in OT. Everyone wants to say our D "always folds when it counts". Well they had just given up a TD to tie the game and they came out and got the ball back for us to win. They had a bad drive for sure at the end of regulation, but they stepped up huge in OT.

 

[jobberone]

I'm curious, this is the 2nd time you have posted this number of 80 pts per 1000 yds of offense. By your standard on how to judge an offense then, very few teams in this league were "good"

Regardless, its not the sole indicator of how good or bad an offense is.

As for your comment about the defense, the defense played poorly the first two games of the year and we lost one of them. They blew leads vs Denver and KC, and in both of those games gave up late tds to either lose or tie the game. They had a couple of breakdowns in the 2nd Giants game that cost us, and they started out and ended the game poorly vs San Diego. The defense was good most of the yr, but it wasnt without flaws.

Not sure where I got that number but it stuck in my head and is a good number when I look at the better teams in the league year in and out. We were at about 60 points per thousand late in the year which is just substandard. So while we were near the top of the league in yardage we were only middlin in points scored. So there is a problem.

And I didn't say the defense was perfect but only not a problem. We were a different team the last three quarters of the year and more of that was defense than offense although both improved.

We are a pretty good team just not on a par with the big boys. And we have been offensively challenged since the last quarter of 2007. So the problem bridges years. And while the defense is very, very good it is not dominant nor is it foolproof as evidenced by the MN game as well.

But I think most would say the offense is a good bit behind the defense.


EDIT: for some reason it quoted my initial post and not David's..............strange

 

[dbair1967]

Another stat that sticks out, EVERY team that finished ahead of us in scoring forced more turnovers than we did. EVERY one of them.

 

[BubbleScreen]

We finished 11-5. We broke the trend of struggling every December/January by winning our last 3 regular season games. We beat our biggest rival in a game to win the division and clinch the 3rd seed. We beat the same team a week later in the playoffs, ending that drought and making it 3-0 vs the hated Eagles this year. We did so winning those last two in dominant fashion. We closed the season with back to back shutouts, the first time in our franchise's history that we've ever done that.The defense improved by leaps and bounds as the season wore on. The offense broke a number of club records. Our QB had his best season ever.

BUT BUT BUT.... We didn't win the Super Bowl and never will with this bunch of losers.

Romo still can't win a big game. Wade still can't win a Super Bowl.

Spoiled babies. Can't accept a good season just because it wasn't perfect.

"The '93 and '95 Super Bowl teams were ok, but they weren't satisfying because the team choked in the '94 NFCCG."

"If Jerry had just paid Jimmy more and shut up, the team wins the next 5 Super Bowls easy."

 

[HardHittin'Witten]

Ah yes. I had almost forgotten how much I hate the offseason.

 

[Doomsay]

A compendium of cheap negative outliers to take umbrage with.

 

[Hoofbite]

Another stat that sticks out, EVERY team that finished ahead of us in scoring forced more turnovers than we did. EVERY one of them.

And this means?

 

[bayeslife]

There are two things a day I can expect from CZ.

One thread that sarcastically mocks optimists (believers), and one thread that sarcastically mocks pessimists (realists).

Awesome.

 

[jobberone]

BTW, another gold standard is to hold the opposing team to 17 or fewer points and score 25+. The defense did its job and the offense didn't. I do want people to understand I do believe this team is very good. It just needs a little more to be the best. I have an appreciation for this last year. Overall it was a good one. Not a SB win but a good year.

 

[Gzus]

BUT BUT BUT.... We didn't win the Super Bowl and never will with this bunch of losers.

Romo still can't win a big game. Wade still can't win a Super Bowl.

Spoiled babies. Can't accept a good season just because it wasn't perfect.

"The '93 and '95 Super Bowl teams were ok, but they weren't satisfying because the team choked in the '94 NFCCG."

"If Jerry had just paid Jimmy more and shut up, the team wins the next 5 Super Bowls easy."

Please tell me ur kidding cause if not you shouldn't watch football at all...