Overheard in CZ, Experts fix for Cowboys

[fan62]

And Just stay tuned! - We aren't even 1 week into the off-season yet.

The real idiots aren't even out of hibernation or their depression sessions yet.

Way more to come!hno:

 

[fan62]

I think the bold is legitimate qualms to have with this team. If you can prove other wise then go right ahead. But you can't so keep on spinning. You're Wade thing sounds a lot like the people who defend Andy Reid.

Same old dance!:fogeys:

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

We won vs Tampa, Romo lost the first Giants game, held Denver to 17 points, We beat KC, I'll give you the second Giants game, and held San Diego to like 20 points (going off memory on that one).

So that's one game the defense let us down on.

Despite the way Romo played in the first Giant game, he had them ahead and all the d had to do was stop the Giants the last time and we win.

 

[Eskimo]

A compendium of cheap negative outliers to take umbrage with.

I like your style - pretty much exactly what I was thinking about the points OP was trying to make.

There is some negativity here and the odd outlandish thought here but the level of discourse is unusually good for a football fan board over here. We're just off another disastrous final game of the year. Things will settle down here soon.

 

[Fletch]

If we choose to keep Garrett, we deserve what we get. We blew a great opportunity when the Giants did the same thing and succeeded where we continue to fail.

All of our offensive coaches are not helping this team currently. Our second TE might become our third TE.

Our last draft wasnt stellar and we still have holes to fill on this team, and we still continue to ignore them.

We still have no GM. We still have no Defensive coordinator I dont care what anyone says I dont want Wade doing both.

Are we going to carry 3 qbs again while our kicking woes still suffer?

Do we keep the same old offensive line when Doug Free proves he can play?

When do we get our ball hawking safety?

Are 3 running backs needed when you barely have enough carries for 2? Will one accept a depth role or wait for injury to occur?

Will Romo go injury free again next season? Do we know what we have in McGee? Are we safe with Kitna?


We have more questions going into next year than we did this year and we still have not made much progress.

Lets tone it down on the stomping of the nay sayers when the only thing every team that isnt strong has going for it is parity and hoping to play strong for 4 games because all 16 is to tough on teams.

You are legally blind if you think we have more holes this year than we did last year. This team does have a few spots that need upgrades, but the way you present your arguement, it sounds as if we need an overhaul.

Sorry to burst your glass-is-half-full bubble, but this team is in pretty good shape going into next season and beyond.

 

[Tass]

I actually kind of agree with "TE- Martellus Bennett was a wasted pick, we should have traded him for whatever was offered."

While I won't go quite that far I do agree we should have jumped on that 1st round pick trade deal.

 

[dbair1967]

And this means?

I guess I'm not surprised that you dont see the correlation.

 

[Hoofbite]

I guess I'm not surprised that you dont see the correlation.

Oh, I see the correlation just fine. I just want you to say it.

Because while we both know that turnovers equals more points for an offense, you seem to have a hard time with the same principle while looking at the Giants game.

Even though Dallas had 4 turnovers in that game, 1 of which being for a TD and another giving the Giants the ball at the Dallas 28 yard line, you just seem to have a hard time admitting that the offense killed that game.

Combined with Felix's fumble giving the Giants the ball at the Dallas 27, you have 1 touchdown and 2 turnovers that left less than 60 yards to go to score but somehow its all the Defenses fault.

 

[dbair1967]

Oh, I see the correlation just fine. I just want you to say it.

Because while we both know that turnovers equals more points for an offense, you seem to have a hard time with the same principle while looking at the Giants game.

Even though Dallas had 4 turnovers in that game, 1 of which being for a TD and another giving the Giants the ball at the Dallas 28 yard line, you just seem to have a hard time admitting that the offense killed that game.

Combined with Felix's fumble giving the Giants the ball at the Dallas 27, you have 3 turnovers that left less than 60 yards to go to score but somehow its all the Defenses fault.

I have no doubt the turnovers helped cost us the game. But the defense also gave up 427 yds, 330 through the air. Their QB had a rating for the game of 110.6, they had TWO WR's with 10 catches and over 134 yds each. Their last 3 drives in that game were TD, FG, FG and they didnt start any of those possesions on our side of the field. The defense had no sacks and forced no turnovers of their own.

If you think that qualifies as a quality defensive effort or a "winning" effort, there's just nothing I can do.

 

[Hoofbite]

I have no doubt the turnovers helped cost us the game. But the defense also gave up 427 yds, 330 through the air. Their QB had a rating for the game of 110.6, they had TWO WR's with 10 catches and over 134 yds each. Their last 3 drives in that game were TD, FG, FG and they didnt start any of those possesions on our side of the field. The defense had no sacks and forced no turnovers of their own.

If you think that qualifies as a quality defensive effort or a "winning" effort, there's just nothing I can do.

Again, all of those stats came about because......................

No doubt the defense struggled but they played well enough to win. In fact, they do win without the INT for a TD or those other two turnovers as well.

 

[dbair1967]

Again, all of those stats came about because......................

No doubt the defense struggled but they played well enough to win. In fact, they do win without the INT for a TD or those other two turnovers as well.

.....because the defense didnt show up.

If all their points came directly the result of short fields, you'd have some argument.

 

[adbutcher]

People that post stupid stuff just don't understand the intricacies of football. I think it is a combination of too much Madden, never playing, and being inundated with stupidity from the local press and espn.

I am still gnashing my teeth over the loss but this is a good season to build on, far from the 92 season but definitely better than 91. I can't wait to see it all unfold after the players coaches got a taste of greatness.

 

[dfense]

If we choose to keep Garrett, we deserve what we get. We blew a great opportunity when the Giants did the same thing and succeeded where we continue to fail.

All of our offensive coaches are not helping this team currently. Our second TE might become our third TE.

Our last draft wasnt stellar and we still have holes to fill on this team, and we still continue to ignore them.

We still have no GM. We still have no Defensive coordinator I dont care what anyone says I dont want Wade doing both.

Are we going to carry 3 qbs again while our kicking woes still suffer?

Do we keep the same old offensive line when Doug Free proves he can play?

When do we get our ball hawking safety?

Are 3 running backs needed when you barely have enough carries for 2? Will one accept a depth role or wait for injury to occur?

Will Romo go injury free again next season? Do we know what we have in McGee? Are we safe with Kitna?


We have more questions going into next year than we did this year and we still have not made much progress.

Lets tone it down on the stomping of the nay sayers when the only thing every team that isnt strong has going for it is parity and hoping to play strong for 4 games because all 16 is to tough on teams.

Yeah, three healthy RB's is a real problem. Ranks up there with "Well, we're winning too many games."

 

[JonJon]

What people don't understand is that teams will ALWAYS have holes somewhere. If we fix the O-line next season, some other position of strength this year will become a glaring weakness next year. Someone will get hurt or teams will find someone to exploit and make look bad....It happens to every team.

Every team has them; its just comes down to how you cover them up and position yourselves to win with what you have.

 

[trueblue1687]

We finished 11-5. We broke the trend of struggling every December/January by winning our last 3 regular season games. We beat our biggest rival in a game to win the division and clinch the 3rd seed. We beat the same team a week later in the playoffs, ending that drought and making it 3-0 vs the hated Eagles this year. We did so winning those last two in dominant fashion. We closed the season with back to back shutouts, the first time in our franchise's history that we've ever done that.The defense improved by leaps and bounds as the season wore on. The offense broke a number of club records. Our QB had his best season ever.

Despite all that, we get these gems. Everyone of these things has been posted here and some multiple times in the last few weeks, and most of them since Sunday's loss:

QB- Romo is nothing more than average and we will never win anything with him. Time to find a replacement.

RB- Felix Jones was a wasted pick, we should have drafted ______. He sux on kick returns.

WR- Miles Austin has an amazing season, finishes at the top of the league in a number of key stats despite not starting till week 5. We should trade him for a first round pick or two.

WR- Patrick Crayton, gotta be replaced. Forget about how effective he is as a slot WR with great hands, gets open and makes first downs. Even finished 3rd in the league as a ount returner.

LT- Flozelle Adams is overrated and should be benched or out and out replaced, even though we witness our team's OL collapse w/o him at Minnesota.

TE- Martellus Bennett was a wasted pick, we should have traded him for whatever was offered.

TE- Jason Witten has lost steps, he cant stretch a defense, he doesnt make enough YAC. He cant block a DE.

NT- We need to draft one to replace Jay Ratliff, arguably the most dominant interior DL in the league, and even though he says he loves it at NT.

OLB- DeMarcus Ware, not as good as Anthony Spencer, disappears all the time. Every team can easily control him if they want.

CB- Terence Newman, he sux and we'd be lucky to get even a 7th rd pick for him.

CB- Mike Jenkins..."garbage" according to one genius poster

HC- Wade Phillips...wins 67% of his games here...wins a postseason game...coaches outstanding defense and has a knack for finding talent for the defense. Gotta let him go. We'll surely never win anything with him.

OC- Jason Garrett...anybody could surely do better than him...forget about th development of Romo or the records set offensively this yr, or in 2007.

Cowboys Stadium- too big...waste of money...Jones went overboard

Cowboys Owner/GM---yes he sux, doesnt know what he's doing, has to hire a GM, doesnt matter who...good players on this team are only here by luck, and we dont want to talk about those. Lets talk about the one that got away in 1995 etc etc

With so much suckness, I'm quite sure the 11-5 record is a mistake, the playoff win didnt happen and all those guys on our team going to the probowl were surely mistakes. Nope, this clearly is a 4-12 team that needs a major overhaul. Fortunately we have CZ experts to show us the way.

Kind of a waste of time arguing peoples opinions. All of them are pretty funny except for Newman and Bennett. There's more than a little truth to both of those. Newman has obviously dropped off in talent and Bennett hasn't done ANYTHING. He may have potential, but every player does or they wouldn't be on the team or the sidelines.

 

[dbair1967]

Kind of a waste of time arguing peoples opinions. All of them are pretty funny except for Newman and Bennett. There's more than a little truth to both of those. Newman has obviously dropped off in talent and Bennett hasn't done ANYTHING. He may have potential, but every player does or they wouldn't be on the team or the sidelines.

How has Newman dropped off exactly? Do you have any proof of this statistically? I'd like to see it if its there.

As for Bennett, its not fair to say he's not done ANYTHING. He showed alot as a rookie, he had a tremendous training camp and preseason this year and he is an excellent blocking TE. He cant control how many passes get thrown his way, especially on an offense that has several other players who will get theirs before he does.

 

[wileedog]

He cant control how many passes get thrown his way, especially on an offense that has several other players who will get theirs before he does.

He can control how many he drops, or how many routes he runs correctly.

As pointed out in another thread, he had more catches, yards, big plays and TDs in an offense with TO screaming for the ball every other play two years ago than this year when our biggest focus was a 2 TE offense and spreading the ball around.

Again, not calling him a bust, but a 2nd year regression isn't a cause for optimism either.

 

[Cover 2]

He can control how many he drops, or how many routes he runs correctly.

As pointed out in another thread, he had more catches, yards, big plays and TDs in an offense with TO screaming for the ball every other play two years ago than this year when our biggest focus was a 2 TE offense and spreading the ball around.

Again, not calling him a bust, but a 2nd year regression isn't a cause for optimism either.

Completely agree. I'm not going to call him a bust, but he did regress. He's got a ton of potential, so I hope to hold onto him for at least the remainder of his contract, but he's got to focus more on knowing the playbook. When Jerry questions your work ethic publicly there is something wrong. He doesn't just randomly question a player's desire to get better.

 

[ShiningStar]

Yeah, three healthy RB's is a real problem. Ranks up there with "Well, we're winning too many games."

So if you were Tashard Choice you would be okay accepting a contract with 3rd string pay for being the 3rd string RB on the team? I think not nor would I want that for Choice. Hes an upstanding player and has the right attitude for his situation, but he should be starting for an NFL team, whether with us or not, I wouldnt want to hold him back.

 

[Hoofbite]

.....because the defense didnt show up.

If all their points came directly the result of short fields, you'd have some argument.

17 points came off those three turnovers.

That's not enough?

24 points total off of turnovers.

Still not enough?