Overrated Cowboy Players

[RonBurgandy31]

Remember dude, its not the amount of games you win, or even what you win, its how many yards and TD's can you go for, that makes you great.

Jeez am i just dealing with idiots around here

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Ik right i mean who cares if you win every superbowl you appear in, if u dont throw for more than 200 td your garbage...

 

[TEK2000]

Polamalu, Reed, Sanders are all easily better, and I would take Taylor and Dawkins over him personally. Now, it doesnt matter who I would choose over him, but regardless, the man IS OVERRATED by most Cowboy fans.

Reed and Dawkins are the only 2 on that list that you'll get credit for.

Taylor had more TD's completed on him than any other safety in the league in 2004.. You'd choose him over Roy? WHY?

If you think Roy has serious coverage deficiencies... then Polamalu should be GAWD AWFUL according to your standards. I guess you missed the play where he let Jerramy Stevens rome around in the endzone for a TD in the SUPER BOWL!... Polamalu was in MAN COVERAGE and was over 5 yards away from him.

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Bob Sanders? 1 INT, 1 FF, 3 Pass Defs, over the course of 20 games. WOW! Certainly he's better than Roy! Of course... it certainly hurts his stats that he misses multiple games every year.

Are you sure its not you that is wrong instead of "MOST COWBOY FANS" like you've pointed out?​

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[Cowboy Bebop]

Reed and Dawkins are the only 2 on that list that you'll get credit for.

Taylor had more TD's completed on him than any other safety in the league in 2004.. You'd choose him over Roy? WHY?

If you think Roy has serious coverage deficiencies... then Polamalu should be GAWD AWFUL according to your standards. I guess you missed the play where he let Jerramy Stevens rome around in the endzone for a TD in the SUPER BOWL!... Polamalu was in MAN COVERAGE and was over 5 yards away from him.

Bob Sanders? 1 INT, 1 FF, 3 Pass Defs, over the course of 20 games. WOW! Certainly he's better than Roy! Of course... it certainly hurts his stats that he misses multiple games every year.​

Are you sure its not you that is wrong instead of "MOST COWBOY FANS" like you've pointed out?

QFMFT

 

[jcblanco22]

Ahh, thanks for teh detailed explanation. I really appreciate it. That said, how did you guys potentially aquire Rocket Ismail?

7 years, 21 million in the offseason leading up to the '99 campaign. Ismail was a free agent after Carolina opted not to re-sign him and picked up Dallas's own Patrick Jeffers instead that offseason.

He was billed to be that complementary receiver that Irvin had lacked since Harper's salad days, and definitely was looking the part the first three games that season. In fact, he got off to a particularly strong start in Week 1.

After Irvin went down for his career in the 1st half of the Eagles game in Week 4, Ismail got a lot more than he bargained for the rest of the '99 season as the No. 1 receiver. He ended up with 80 catches and 1100 or so yards in a role that his body type was never intended for, and he survived it in gallant fashion.

I thought Ismail's '99 performance was actually one of the more underrated campaigns in recent Cowboys history, and I place Emmitt's performance that same season (1,397 yards in only 13+ games) right alongside it.

 

[jcblanco22]

Hard to believe that in a thread with this theme no one has yet indicted Alvin Harper, although I know ravidubey brought him up in his discussion of the '91 draft in an earlier post.

I not only thought Harper was overrated after seeing his performances in Tampa in '95 and '96, I thought he was already in that category his final 2 Cowboys seasons. I recall giving a silent "amen" to a Switzer quote I saw during the offseason of Harper's departure (spring of '95), where he stated that "Alvin seemed to drop a lot of the easy ones", or something to that effect. He had enough big catches in big moments and plenty of tantalizing measurables to fool a good amount of people for a while, but I know I wasn't the only one who found his highly inconsistent hands maddening.

 

[BigDFan5]

Anthony Henry.

Don't get me wrong. I love his game and think he is a great complement to Newman. I also think that he is one of the better #2 corners in the game.

However, people all over the place were calling him our defensive MVP and saying he was the best CB on the team before he got hurt.

Bill Parcells was one of the guys that said Henry was our DMVP before he got hurt

 

[BigDFan5]

The answer is clearly Roy Williams. On this board?? nah, hes not too overrated because at least 80% of the people here know and understand football pretty well. But out there in the real world? In the great state of Texas? hahaha, yeah he's WAAAY overrated. Just yerterday at work I had a guy telling me how Roy was the best safety in the league, blah blah blah. Hes not even the best safety in his division. Hell, he might be THIRD in his division. The guy couldnt cover me, and Im not nearly as fast as I was in high school. I keep hearing people talk about now that Watkins is here, no more last second TDs. PFFFT, it wasnt Keith Davis who made the errors on those plays. Both the Commanders plays? Roy. The Shockey TD at the end of the first game against the Giants? Roy. The man flat out cannot cover anyone. I wish we would have fed him a biscuit, moved him to ILB, never signed Ayodele, moved Keith Davis to SS and start Watkins at free. Then he wouldnt be overrated anymore.


Secondly, Julius Jones comes to mind, all these damn Cowboy fans in my area talk about is how great he is. As of right now hes an average, injury prone back whos had a couple of really great games. Thats it. Until he rushes for 1,000 (which shouldnt even be the standard anymore) then hes nothing.

 

[BigDFan5]

That may be the stupidest thing I have ever read. And I post at the Ranch all the time.

:laugh2:

 

[ghost]

7 years, 21 million in the offseason leading up to the '99 campaign. Ismail was a free agent after Carolina opted not to re-sign him and picked up Dallas's own Patrick Jeffers instead that offseason.

He was billed to be that complementary receiver that Irvin had lacked since Harper's salad days, and definitely was looking the part the first three games that season. In fact, he got off to a particularly strong start in Week 1.

After Irvin went down for his career in the 1st half of the Eagles game in Week 4, Ismail got a lot more than he bargained for the rest of the '99 season as the No. 1 receiver. He ended up with 80 catches and 1100 or so yards in a role that his body type was never intended for, and he survived it in gallant fashion.

I thought Ismail's '99 performance was actually one of the more underrated campaigns in recent Cowboys history, and I place Emmitt's performance that same season (1,397 yards in only 13+ games) right alongside it.

ahh. thanks again. so what happened to Ismail? did he just burn out? and how'd he end up with the panthers.


thanks again for all the answers

 

[AdamJT13]

The two Moss TDs....it was freakin Cover 4, your only job is to play inside the WR and dont let him get deeper than you

That's NOT how the Cowboys (and many other teams) play Cover 4. In the Cowboys' Cover 4, the safeties' primary responsibility is man-to-man coverage on the inside receiver if he runs a vertical route. The cornerbacks play man-to-man on the outside receivers. If the inside receiver does not run a vertical route, the safety can then help on the outside receiver.

On the first play, Roy's man (Cooley) ran a vertical route (a post), so Roy had NO coverage responsibility on Moss. He reacted to the ball being thrown and almost made the play anyway, but that was in no way, shape or form his responsibility. On Moss' second TD, Roy's man (Cooley) started to run a vertical route but cut it to a deep out. Even though Roy diagnosed the play early, by the time Cooley started to make his cut, it was too late for Roy to cover Moss. In that scheme against that play, the only way Roy could have been responsible for that touchdown is if he had ignored his primary responsibility on the play. That's why when Parcells was asked point-blank if Roy was responsible for Moss' TD catches, he said no, those really weren't his plays.

 

[dbair1967]

This should rattle some cages.....Troy Aikman may be the most over rated Cowboy ever.

David

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I cannot think of any "overated" Cowboys......how about deadskins, aints or beages?

 

[YosemiteSam]

The 90's line does get a lot of credit for Emmitt success, however none of the other backs did anything behind that same line. When Emmitt was out our running game was dead. I think highly of that Cowboys OL but Emmitt also made them look better than maybe they were.

Emmitt was one of the most durable backs of all time. There is a reason other players didn't rush for 100+ yards. It's because Emmitt was always taking 25-30 rushes a game...

 

[Doomsday101]

Emmitt was one of the most durable backs of all time. There is a reason other players didn't rush for 100+ yards. It's because Emmitt was always taking 25-30 rushes a game...

No doubt he had a big load to carry but he still rushed for a 4.2 per carry career average and in his prime those per carry avg. was better than that. I saw what other backs looked like behind that same OL and none came close to ES in the prime.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I always think it is funny when people bring up the "Great OL" factor when discussing Emmitt. After Emmitt came in, the blocking schemes changed. Emmitt had the vision to be able to change running plays to the holes that were created naturally. There were a lot of running plays designed to capture that ability. Instead of having to move a DL player in a specific direction, the OL could decide if they would be able to move their assigned DL player left, right, or backwards after the snap. That is a huge advantage over having to create a hole in a specific area. Emmitt could simply pick the biggest hole, rather than have to go to a specific hole, because of his vision. I always hear people say “Anyone could have run through those big holes the OL created.” Sorry, the OL could not have created those holes for any RB.

On the flip side you see Barry Sanders. When a player just stands there after getting the ball, or runs backwards... how good does the OL look?

The 90s OL gets my vote as overrated. E. Williams and the early version of Larry Allen were great though. Most of the rest would not have sen pro bowls with a different RB.

You don't remember Erik Williams do you? NOBODY and I mean NOBODY pancaked Reggie White more than Erik Williams did. Everyone says how great Larry Allen was, but Erik Williams was ALWAYS the meanest player on the field (and even Reggie White said that). Erik is the one who invented and because of his use of it had ban the Head Slap. It seems nobody remembers John Madden ALWAY talking about Williams and how dominate he was. I remember him saying how Williams was the only player he ever saw take Reggie White completely out of the game. (237 yards rushing against the Eagles in '92, breaking the 53 straight games without a 100 yard rusher in '91 against the Eagles) It wasn't till after he tore his knee up in the car accident that he faded away and never was the same again. Nate Newton was one of the fastest pulling guards I've ever seen. Emmitt also had Moose, Mark Stepnoski, Mark Tuinei, and Kevin Gogan. That line was loaded with Pro bowlers.

 

[YosemiteSam]

No doubt he had a big load to carry but he still rushed for a 4.2 per carry career average and in his prime those per carry avg. was better than that. I saw what other backs looked like behind that same OL and none came close to ES in the prime.

Sherman Williams had a 4.3 avg in '95. But the point is that not a single back besides Emmitt had more than 75 attempts in a season. Williams only had 48 attempts when he recorded a 4.3 avg.

 

[dbair1967]

You don't remember Erik Williams do you? NOBODY and I mean NOBODY pancaked Reggie White more than Erik Williams did. Everyone says how great Larry Allen was, but Erik Williams was ALWAYS the meanest player on the field (and even Reggie White said that). Erik is the one who invented and because of his use of it had ban the Head Slap. It seems nobody remembers John Madden ALWAY talking about Williams and how dominate he was. I remember him saying how Williams was the only player he ever saw take Reggie White completely out of the game. (237 yards rushing against the Eagles in '92, breaking the 53 straight games without a 100 yard rusher in '91 against the Eagles) It wasn't till after he tore his knee up in the car accident that he faded away and never was the same again. Nate Newton was one of the fastest pulling guards I've ever seen. Emmitt also had Moose, Mark Stepnoski, Mark Tuinei, and Kevin Gogan. That line was loaded with Pro bowlers.

the OL didnt have a probowler until 1992 when Stepnoski and Newton made it...Larry Allen and Erik Williams (pre car wreck) were dominating OL's who were great talents, but the rest of those guys were over-achievers who became technically sound guys from great coaching (Tony Wise, then Houck)...only Allen was drafted before the 3rd rd...

people dont like to admit it, but Emmitt's great running skills and explosion through even the smallest holes were huge parts of why our OL was considered great...they didnt have to hold their blocks long for him or for Aikman, who had a lightning quick release and alot of our offense was predicated off timing routes...

David

 

[Doomsday101]

Sherman Williams had a 4.3 avg in '95. But the point is that not a single back besides Emmitt had more than 75 attempts in a season. Williams only had 48 attempts when he recorded a 4.3 avg.

Dude if you think ES was over rated fine, but I saw the man play and I saw the damage he did for Dallas and no other back was doing nothing. When Emmitt went down or missed a game we lost plain and simple. The year he held out and missed the 1st 2 games Dallas offense could not do anything, he returned and Dallas went on a big win streak. People can down play ES all they want as far as I'm concerned those people don't have a clue as to what they are talking about

 

[dbair1967]

Sherman Williams had a 4.3 avg in '95. But the point is that not a single back besides Emmitt had more than 75 attempts in a season. Williams only had 48 attempts when he recorded a 4.3 avg.

yeah, we all recall how Curvin Richards, Derrick Lassic and Lincoln Coleman just ran roughshod through defenses when they got their chances



it doesnt matter that they didnt get that many attempts, the fact is they didnt produce when they did get them (or in practice) and didnt warrant taking Emmitt out of the game...they couldnt be trusted

David

 

[burmafrd]

Point of fact. the head slap had been around for a LONG time before Erik Williams.