Overrated Cowboy Players

[YosemiteSam]

Whoops, there seems to be a misconception here. I in no way beleive Emmith Smith was overrated. You got that all wrong. My issue was that no many people discounted the offensive line saying that Emmitt was "Just that Good". That isn't true at all. The only running back I ever saw that really didn't require a decent offensive line was Barry Sanders. He was a freak. Emmitt was just damn good.

Honestly, if Barry Sanders didn't retire. Emmitt would have never touched the titled All-Time NFL Rushing Leader.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Actually, you're right it had. I over emphasized Williams role in it. Although, it IS A FACT that Williams is the reason it has been ban.

 

[YosemiteSam]

yeah, we all recall how Curvin Richards, Derrick Lassic and Lincoln Coleman just ran roughshod through defenses when they got their chances



it doesnt matter that they didnt get that many attempts, the fact is they didnt produce when they did get them (or in practice) and didnt warrant taking Emmitt out of the game...they couldnt be trusted

David

I don't recall claiming any of the Cowboys running backs in the 90s where better than Emmitt. I only said that the offensive line was the most dominating in the league during the early 90s. Someone else brought up the other backs and I only pointed out the Sherman Williams avg 4.3 during 1995.

 

[Doomsday101]

Whoops, there seems to be a misconception here. I in no way beleive Emmith Smith was overrated. You got that all wrong. My issue was that no many people discounted the offensive line saying that Emmitt was "Just that Good". That isn't true at all. The only running back I ever saw that really didn't require a decent offensive line was Barry Sanders. He was a freak. Emmitt was just damn good.

Honestly, if Barry Sanders didn't retire. Emmitt would have never touched the titled All-Time NFL Rushing Leader.

You may be right about Sanders however it was ES winning the rushing titles for 4 or 5 years in a row not Barry. I have always said I think Sanders was the best pure runner but if I'm chasing title I'll take ES everything. ES could pick up the tough yards that make the differance in a game.

 

[dbair1967]

The only running back I ever saw that really didn't require a decent offensive line was Barry Sanders. He was a freak. Emmitt was just damn good.

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please...all you recall about Barry Sanders was the ESPN highlights...all the people that say "he had no line" are so full of crap...Lomas Brown was in the probowl virtually every yr he was there...Kevin Glover was in the probowl a few times...they had Bill Fralic for a couple yrs...they had Jeff Hartings too...

then factor in that he played virtually his entire career in a spread type offense that really didnt allow defenses to put 8 or 9 guys in the box, and that explaisn alot of the HUGE running lanes he was able to get into...he was a great RB with tremendous homerun speed, but he was also a huge whiner, a guy who had trouble playing hurt, wasnt a very good receiver, was not a good blocker and was a mediocre short yardage runner who was consistently at the top of the league in runs for negative yards and you see why alot of believe he was an incredible talent, but wasnt the BEST RB or BEST player at his position

David

 

[dbair1967]

I don't recall claiming any of the Cowboys running backs in the 90s where better than Emmitt. I only said that the offensive line was the most dominating in the league during the early 90s. Someone else brought up the other backs and I only pointed out the Sherman Williams avg 4.3 during 1995.

again, if they were so dominating, why couldnt guys who were clearly AVERAGE or mediocre players have the same success running the ball?

David

 

[Apollo Creed]

Calling Roy Williams overrated is ridiculous. Everyone likes to point out that single Skins game, but they forget the huge plays he made in coverage against teams like Carolina and Philly. With one of them essentially winning us the game. I'd take that over the fluke against Washington any day of the week.

 

[jcblanco22]

please...all you recall about Barry Sanders was the ESPN highlights...all the people that say "he had no line" are so full of crap...Lomas Brown was in the probowl virtually every yr he was there...Kevin Glover was in the probowl a few times...they had Bill Fralic for a couple yrs...they had Jeff Hartings too...

then factor in that he played virtually his entire career in a spread type offense that really didnt allow defenses to put 8 or 9 guys in the box, and that explaisn alot of the HUGE running lanes he was able to get into...he was a great RB with tremendous homerun speed, but he was also a huge whiner, a guy who had trouble playing hurt, wasnt a very good receiver, was not a good blocker and was a mediocre short yardage runner who was consistently at the top of the league in runs for negative yards and you see why alot of believe he was an incredible talent, but wasnt the BEST RB or BEST player at his position

David

dbair, I think you've hit a home run with all of your posts in this thread but particularly this one, and particularly with the part I bolded above. Thank you for not only pointing out that Sanders wasn't exactly playing behind the Cowboys 2002 offensive line, but also naming the names of the Pro Bowlers on that line.

 

[ringmaster]

The entire post went right over your head.

Yeah, just like your whinning is going to yours.

 

[ringmaster]

Right back at you:bang2:

 

[TEK2000]

Yeah, just like your whinning is going to yours.

You should really stop.. you're the ONLY PERSON in the ENTIRE thread that didn't understand that post. For your own sake, please stop, you're only displaying more and more ignorance with every post.

 

[TEK2000]

That's NOT how the Cowboys (and many other teams) play Cover 4. In the Cowboys' Cover 4, the safeties' primary responsibility is man-to-man coverage on the inside receiver if he runs a vertical route. The cornerbacks play man-to-man on the outside receivers. If the inside receiver does not run a vertical route, the safety can then help on the outside receiver.

On the first play, Roy's man (Cooley) ran a vertical route (a post), so Roy had NO coverage responsibility on Moss. He reacted to the ball being thrown and almost made the play anyway, but that was in no way, shape or form his responsibility. On Moss' second TD, Roy's man (Cooley) started to run a vertical route but cut it to a deep out. Even though Roy diagnosed the play early, by the time Cooley started to make his cut, it was too late for Roy to cover Moss. In that scheme against that play, the only way Roy could have been responsible for that touchdown is if he had ignored his primary responsibility on the play. That's why when Parcells was asked point-blank if Roy was responsible for Moss' TD catches, he said no, those really weren't his plays.

Yet another dispute ending post by AdamJT. Great post man, great post!

 

[ringmaster]

You should really stop.. you're the ONLY PERSON in the ENTIRE thread that didn't understand that post. For your own sake, please stop, you're only displaying more and more ignorance with every post.

Thank you Dr. Phil!

Like they always say ignorance is bliss you figure that out.

I read that post for what it was another crybaby rant.

I can't stand negative complainers, all of us complain, but when they complain about the same things over and over again then that's a certified crybaby.

For your sake think before you post next time.

 

[kTXe]

Thank you Dr. Phil!

Like they always say ignorance is bliss you figure that out.

I read that post for what it was another crybaby rant.

I can't stand negative complainers, all of us complain, but when they complain about the same things over and over again then that's a certified crybaby.

For your sake think before you post next time.

LOL!

There could be no greater confirmation that you should have taken TEK's advice.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I'm not going to argue with you anti-Cowboys o-line fans. Obviously you're hell-bent on what you believe is true and refuse to give credit where credit is due. Though, I do find it funny how you want to point out the Barry Sanders had this *GREAT OFFENSIVE LINE* which in no way even came close to the Cowboys line, yet it's your excuse to how Sanders got all his yards...

Logical aptitude: Some people are blessed with it, others listen to their emotions.

 

[ConstantReboot]

First off, I still think that Keyshawn was underrated as a Cowboy.. he MIGHT be overrated in regards to his entire career and he might overrate himself, but as a Cowboy he never really got that many props.. he played hard, was consistent, made lots of tough catches, was classy as could be, and did all the little things..

He made a few clutch catches also that I can remember. I think they didn't use him enough especially when the game is on the line and we needed a first down or two. But thats just me.

Other than the blowup during the Philly game, your right that he was pretty much underrated.

:starspin

 

[ringmaster]

LOL!

There could be no greater confirmation that you should have taken TEK's advice.

I answer to no one.

If you don't know what that means figure it out.

 

[BigDFan5]

I answer to no one.

If you don't know what that means figure it out.

you know your childish attitude will earn you a quick ticket out of town right?

 

[ConstantReboot]

Calling Roy Williams overrated is ridiculous. Everyone likes to point out that single Skins game, but they forget the huge plays he made in coverage against teams like Carolina and Philly. With one of them essentially winning us the game. I'd take that over the fluke against Washington any day of the week.

Exactly. Its a fluke. Where was the free safety then? Wasn't he supposed to be in that situation down field?

 

[ringmaster]

you know your childish attitude will earn you a quick ticket out of town right?

I'm not going anywhere got anything else.

That's not being childish that's the straight truth.