Packers propose banning Tush Push

I just glanced through some YouTube videos on tush push....

There has been quite a few trick plays off the formation...

Wonder what the success rate of those trick plays is.

I also notice the few videos I glanced through that defense teams didn't seem to be trying to match up exactly man for man. I guess teams are trying to beat the 6 man Philly tush push with less defenders. Maybe to guard against trick plays?

Few videos i saw seemed like maybe the defenses put 4 or 5 guys in the center...when the offense has 6 guys pushing. Doesn't seem like 4 or 5 guys is going to stop the play regularly.
 
CT Dal Fan said:
It's not happening. Nothing is stopping other teams from using the tush push themselves. The Eagles are just the team that perfected it, which makes it sting, I admit.

Having said that, there is something of an unfair aspect when other offensive players can literally push Hurts or any QB forward for a first down. To me this is going to be a fad that goes away eventually. Once a QB gets his knee or leg twisted up into a season ending injury because of the tush push, it's going to fall out of favor faster than the wildcat formation.
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Packers using their only hand card to stopping the unstoppable Tush Push .. the NFL Owners.

Can't beat them physically on the playing field,.. so let's try to influence the Owners to vote it out of the NFL.

This is such a cowardly move, imo. ..

Compete vs the Wild Cat .... RPO- Read-Option...the No Huddle ,..the Greatest Show on TurF .. Show Guts & Compete vs Tush Push
 
TequilaCowboy said:
Used to be a runner could not be assisted or carried to advance the ball.. what the heck happened when they allowed the tush push.?
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They probably are making it about feet leaving the ground. You are right that it violates the spirit of the rule in my opinion. Game theory is why we cannot have nice things.
 
MajesticRey said:
Link to NFL.com Article
Philly won’t get more than 9 wins a season if this rule goes through.

/sarcasm
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Lol! Why would you think that? Nothing changes other than you can't push. The whole playbook is still open. They didn't beat the Chiefs running the tush push.
They beat em with Hurts arm and legs running.
The tush push is a gadget play that lets the Eagles express their dominant offensive line over the DLine. They don't need it.
 
FanofJerry said:
I just glanced through some YouTube videos on tush push....

There has been quite a few trick plays off the formation...

Wonder what the success rate of those trick plays is.

I also notice the few videos I glanced through that defense teams didn't seem to be trying to match up exactly man for man. I guess teams are trying to beat the 6 man Philly tush push with less defenders. Maybe to guard against trick plays?

Few videos i saw seemed like maybe the defenses put 4 or 5 guys in the center...when the offense has 6 guys pushing. Doesn't seem like 4 or 5 guys is going to stop the play regularly.
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Now go back and watch those videos but pay attention to how Philly lines up. There are times where they will run it with everyone crowded around the QB. Sometimes two players right behind the QB to push, sometimes with a RB deep and in position to get the football. Sometimes WRs are off the field, sometimes they are in tight, sometimes they are are bunched together, and sometimes they are out wide. What you're likely seeing is simply the difference in how Philly lines up and how defenses have to adjust to that. This is no different than any other play we see in football in this regard. For example if you're around the goal line and have a power run to the B gap called you have several options. You can line up in a goal line front, or you can throw a 3WR set out there to get the defense to spread out. Its the same concepts.

Also the OL having 6 guys really doesn't matter. Make no mistake about this it's an A gap run. Anyone outside the guards have minimal impact on the play...anyone outside the Tackles has zero impact on the play outside of simply their presence on the field. The defense can only squeeze so many 300 pound bodies close so you'll see most teams have 4 DL tight with a second row behind them. The thing to look for is how many players are in the box and between the Guards, thats the actual area where teams need to make sure they have at least a hat on a hat up front.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
I think the biggest issue in banning the play is that no one else has really been able to replicate it. Its only really automatic for Philly, and I'm not a fan of banning something just because another team has gotten good at it.

The other issue is do we really see a high injury rate from the play? If not it's tough to come back to the player safety argument.
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i hate philly but this

defenses need to adapt or figure out ways to prevent 4th & 1s

Getting out muscled/gameplanned shouldnt be at risk of being banned
 
speedkilz88 said:
The rule should be that when behind the line of scrimmage you cannot push the ball carrier forward.
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I would favor going back to, and enforcing, the old rule which prohibited an offensive player from pushing or pulling his teammate with the ball, forward under any circumstances. Pulling is still technically illegal but it is never called.

There was a time when offensive linemen could only push defenders back and if they were in the process of tackling the ball carrier then it was all legal. But today, offensive players are literally lifting and carrying the guy with the ball over the goal line or line to gain.
 
CT Dal Fan said:
It's not happening. Nothing is stopping other teams from using the tush push themselves. The Eagles are just the team that perfected it, which makes it sting, I admit.

Having said that, there is something of an unfair aspect when other offensive players can literally push Hurts or any QB forward for a first down. To me this is going to be a fad that goes away eventually. Once a QB gets his knee or leg twisted up into a season ending injury because of the tush push, it's going to fall out of favor faster than the wildcat formation.
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THEY didn't perfect it. It's a simple play that requires Jalen Hurts. Most QBs can't pull it off with the success of Hurts who is legendary for his strong legs. He was squatting 600 lbs in high school. Point is that it's a play whose success is uniquely dependent on one guy. You put just about anyone else at QB in philly, and their success rate plummets.
 
atlantacowboy said:
THEY didn't perfect it. It's a simple play that requires Jalen Hurts. Most QBs can't pull it off with the success of Hurts who is legendary for his strong legs. He was squatting 600 lbs in high school. Point is that it's a play whose success is uniquely dependent on one guy. You put just about anyone else at QB in philly, and their success rate plummets.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall philly's back up QB in the game and he was also successful with the "tush push".
 
atlantacowboy said:
THEY didn't perfect it. It's a simple play that requires Jalen Hurts. Most QBs can't pull it off with the success of Hurts who is legendary for his strong legs. He was squatting 600 lbs in high school. Point is that it's a play whose success is uniquely dependent on one guy. You put just about anyone else at QB in philly, and their success rate plummets.
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So...You're telling me...that it might be beneficial to track down a few of the top squatters in the world whom can pass PED test...and have them try out?

Short yardage tush push just requires powerful legs and ability to grap a snap or recieve a hand off?

If that is guaranteeing goal line TDs and short distance conversions....why wouldn't the top squatters in the world have a plush NFL job? It would be more go the team than a FG kicker because the person is guaranteeing first down conversions on short distance and guaranteeing td's from goal line
 
maryquality said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall philly's back up QB in the game and he was also successful with the "tush push".
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I recall that. Perhaps he’ll teach it to the Browns. Some thought it would go away with the retirement of Kelce. It didn’t. I don’t think it has anything to do with Hurts’ leg strength. It’s the OLine coach and the fact they actually practice the play. Other teams can do it if they wanted to and be just as successful.

There are probably quarterbacks that would rather not be part of such a play. Philly pays their QB over $50 million per season. It’s the least he can do to help win games.
 
CT Dal Fan said:
It's not happening. Nothing is stopping other teams from using the tush push themselves. The Eagles are just the team that perfected it, which makes it sting, I admit.

Having said that, there is something of an unfair aspect when other offensive players can literally push Hurts or any QB forward for a first down. To me this is going to be a fad that goes away eventually. Once a QB gets his knee or leg twisted up into a season ending injury because of the tush push, it's going to fall out of favor faster than the wildcat formation.
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You're probably correct,

however, there's a way they can accomplish making it a headache for a team to use just call the penalties that are there..

too many dudes are lined up all sides there are too many that are misaligned, going early, I mean if they breakdown these plays there could be a flag on it on every play.. you want to ruin a game, throw a flag on it every time and the referees like usual can get away with organically banning it, even if it's not banned by the league, it will be too much of a headache for the team to even want to use it that often as the eagles do...

How do you think they got together as a group and the referees all decided not to abide or call or use the replay on pass interference, they got it thrown out they just decided they didn't want it they didn't like it so if they want to do that with this particular play they can easily muck it up..
 
Creeper said:
I would favor going back to, and enforcing, the old rule which prohibited an offensive player from pushing or pulling his teammate with the ball, forward under any circumstances. Pulling is still technically illegal but it is never called.

There was a time when offensive linemen could only push defenders back and if they were in the process of tackling the ball carrier then it was all legal. But today, offensive players are literally lifting and carrying the guy with the ball over the goal line or line to gain.
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Exactly you don't need the band this play you could just call a flag on it every time until teams just don't wanna use it that much they'll say it's just not worth losing 5 yards or whatever they're gonna get because it is a lot of the times lined up wrong or they're doing something illegal in there and if they just call the flag on every play we wouldn't be talking about it anymore it doesn't need to be banned it could just be too much of a headache to use on a regular basis as much as the eagles do anyway..
 
FanofJerry said:
So...You're telling me...that it might be beneficial to track down a few of the top squatters in the world whom can pass PED test...and have them try out?

Short yardage tush push just requires powerful legs and ability to grap a snap or recieve a hand off?

If that is guaranteeing goal line TDs and short distance conversions....why wouldn't the top squatters in the world have a plush NFL job? It would be more go the team than a FG kicker because the person is guaranteeing first down conversions on short distance and guaranteeing td's from goal line
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You think teams haven't tried offensive or defensive linemen here, the way the Bears used The Fridge back in the 80s? And to your continued point about "trick plays", why would the Eagles run a (likely) lower probability play from the formation when they have a 80-90% success rate on the straight ahead play?
 
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