Parcells not happy with Henson's NFLE performance

[The30YardSlant]

You want to elaborate about that ? NFLE is pro-level football, which means they get payed to play by the way. So is arena football, so is the CFL.

Those leauges don't have the talent level of the NFL of course, but it is still Pro ball.

10-3 TD/INT ratio and any 84.2 QB rating (both better than Bledsoes #'s in the NFL last year, by the way) is above average play. Just in case you were not aware of that.

Of course like you I think Bledsoe (Ranked 17th in QB rating last year)
http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2005/regular
is just and average QB (So Hensons stats being better than Bledsoes would put him better than average too).



Henson, playing among peers in NFLE is playing above average and according to NFLE stats Henson was ranked 2nd (To a 3 year NFLE vet, compared to Henson being a rookie player in NFLE) out of 6 QB's. Ranked 2nd out of 6, by the way is termed being above average.

http://www.nfleurope.com/stats/leaders

So, in a leauge with a lower level of talent Henson put up better numbers than Bledsoe did in the NFL.

How will that translate into the NFL is yet to be seen. Like a baseball player that puts up better than average stats in AAA baseball moves to the big leauges...Henson is now getting his chance.

But, to my original point here is just to let you know...AAA baseball, NFLE, CFL are all professional sports as much as you would like to deny them.

Of course since you don't play minor leauge professional sports you might not know this. but I'm sure you could google this and find out its true.

I'm sure there are quite a few guys who played in NFLE that would tell you themselves face to face also, if you were given the opportunity.

Yes, I know, thus my point about them having no right to play pro football, even though they do. European football is on par with division 1-AA college ball. Every now and then a few players come along who have real talent and make names for themselves, like Kurt Warner, for instance. On the whole, though, these are guys who either have no hope of ever setting foot on an NFL field or are resigned to practice squads and camp fodder for their whole lives. I played HS football, was an all-district corner, and walked on in college. I have no doubt I could go over to Europe and hold my own against the majority of NFLE Wide Receivers. This is not AAA baseball, where every single player is being bred for the majors. Many players are simply NFLE players because thats all they can be.

Arena football isnt real football anyway, so please dont throw it into the equation.

And BTW, Drew Bledsoe amassed those numbers against the best football players on the planet. If Bledsoe played QB in Europe, he would put up filthy stats that would never be matched, the talent gap is just so wide.

 

[iceberg]

The joke seems to be on you. Now, if you please, show us all this information that you, in your own words, "can", in fact, post. The only irony here is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle a black kitchen apliance.

i also said "we" hh - not "me" or *i*.

feel free to see ANY AND ALL henson = positive posts in here already as my evidence of why 1 or 2 more won't do a bit of good on you.

now - you show me 1 post from you to disprove this and then you may have a point. now go show me ANY post you've made that shows henson in a positive light BECAUSE of an article someone showed you.

ball back on your side sparky.

 

[The30YardSlant]

If you watched the Henson NFLE games you know he played with the worst OL in the history of football. He may not have been playing against NFL talent, but he certainly wasn't playing with NFL talent. That argument is a wash.

In the end, the only thing NFLE can show you is if a guy simply cannot play at NFL levels.

And Henson is not an NFL talent

Thus:

NFLE defense < NFL defense
NFLE offense < NFL offense
NFLE QBs < NFL QBs

Which is why henson put up similar numbers to Bledsoe. Everyone is toned down, so it IS a wash. The point is, if Henson were an NFL talent, he would have lit NFL Europe up.

Thanks for proving my point

 

[DallasEast]

NFLE QBs < NFL QBs

There have to be exceptions to this comparison. As J-Dog pointed out, Delhomme and Johnson quarterbacked NFL Europe teams.

 

[The30YardSlant]

There have to be exceptions to this comparison. As J-Dog pointed out, Delhomme and Johnson quarterbacked NFL Europe teams.

And this exception was noted in my previous post

 

[blindzebra]

And Henson is not an NFL talent

Thus:

NFLE defense < NFL defense
NFLE offense < NFL offense
NFLE QBs < NFL QBs

Which is why henson put up similar numbers to Bledsoe. Everyone is toned down, so it IS a wash. The point is, if Henson were an NFL talent, he would have lit NFL Europe up.

Thanks for proving my point

Yeah and the fact he was running for his life behind that line, being forced to throw it way 3 or 4 times a game because of poor blocking and receivers that couldn't get separation, and the 4 or 5 drops a game didn't keep him from lighting it up?

Oh wait, the football genius wouldn't know any of that because he did not watch the games, he was too busy thinking about 30 yard slants and making top 10 lists without Jim Brown.

 

[The30YardSlant]

i also said "we" hh - not "me" or *i*.

feel free to see ANY AND ALL henson = positive posts in here already as my evidence of why 1 or 2 more won't do a bit of good on you.

now - you show me 1 post from you to disprove this and then you may have a point. now go show me ANY post you've made that shows henson in a positive light BECAUSE of an article someone showed you.

ball back on your side sparky.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=we

Used by the speaker or writer to indicate the speaker or writer along with another or others as the subject: We made it to the lecture hall on time. We are planning a trip to Arizona this winter

This is awesome, I never thought I'd get to give grammar lessons in addition to football one's when I woke up this morning. Watching you dance around an obvious point is cute. Cute, and kind of pathetic.

BTW, as for a postive post about Henson, this was after one of his few impressive performances in NFLE:

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53428

 

[The30YardSlant]

Yeah and the fact he was running for his life behind that line, being forced to throw it way 3 or 4 times a game because of poor blocking and receivers that couldn't get separation, and the 4 or 5 drops a game didn't keep him from lighting it up?

Oh wait, the football genius wouldn't know any of that because he did not watch the games, he was too busy thinking about 30 yard slants and making top 10 lists without Jim Brown.

Running for his life from who? Scrub D-Linemen who run 5.2 40s and couldnt start for the majority of college teams? Sorry, but when you are getting chased by guys who would have a hard time sacking Bledsoe, I have no sympathy for you. Henson is supposed to have decent mobility, and is supposed to throw very well on the run, according the supposed "experts". So either he truely does suck because he couldnt handle being chased by guys who arent a tenth of NFL linemen, or he truely does suck because he couldnt put up better numbers despite the inferior defense talent he was facing.

 

[theogt]

And Henson is not an NFL talent

Thus:

NFLE defense < NFL defense
NFLE offense < NFL offense
NFLE QBs < NFL QBs

Which is why henson put up similar numbers to Bledsoe. Everyone is toned down, so it IS a wash. The point is, if Henson were an NFL talent, he would have lit NFL Europe up.

Thanks for proving my point

Huh? I didn't prove your point.

 

[cleverusername]

parcells always plays mind games

 

[iceberg]

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=we



This is awesome, I never thought I'd get to give grammar lessons in addition to football one's when I woke up this morning. Watching you dance around an obvious point is cute. Cute, and kind of pathetic.

BTW, as for a postive post about Henson, this was after one of his few impressive performances in NFLE:

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53428

while you're *****ing me out about comprehension - please refer to points i've made several times in this post alone.

1) this isn't about henson - this is NOT my argument.
2) this is about you and your constant desire to slam anything henson does.

so - focal point is you - NOT henson.

and then -

i've told you time and again i wasn't gonna waste my time finding positive articles about henson cause all you do is shut 'em down and slap them back as "wrong".

now the focus is finding articles about henson that are positive.

then the move to you was a positive article someone posted about henson that made you give henson props - not beat up the writer, the messenger, henson...

so you wiffed on this move also.

before you whine at someone's comprehension, make sure you understand what they're trying to tell *you*.

now - you want me to show positive articles on henson, i wanna see where ONE made you give him props.

not the backhanded compliment you gave and took away all at the same time. but if that's as close as you can get...need i say it?

i win.

checkmate.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Huh? I didn't prove your point.

:laugh2:

You did, you just dont realize it, which makes it all the more funny.

 

[iceberg]

Huh? I didn't prove your point.

replying to graney proves his point for him - all that matters. to him anyway. : )

 

[theogt]

:laugh2:

You did, you just dont realize it, which makes it all the more funny.

I didn't, which makes it hilarious that you think I did.

 

[iceberg]

:laugh2:

You did, you just dont realize it, which makes it all the more funny.

your honor, i give you exhibit a.

 

[blindzebra]

Running for his life from who? Scrub D-Linemen who run 5.2 40s and couldnt start for the majority of college teams? Sorry, but when you are getting chased by guys who would have a hard time sacking Bledsoe, I have no sympathy for you. Henson is supposed to have decent mobility, and is supposed to throw very well on the run, according the supposed "experts". So either he truely does suck because he couldnt handle being chased by guys who arent a tenth of NFL linemen, or he truely does suck because he couldnt put up better numbers despite the inferior defense talent he was facing.

Henson faster than Bledsoe.

Henson avoids the sack, Bledsoe wouldn't.

If you had a clue about football, you'd realize that he HAD INFERIOR TALENT PLAYING WITH HIM TOO.

I'm through arguing with someone that can't grasp the simplest concepts, take the short bus, go to remedial football, and come back when you know what the hell you are talking about.

 

[The30YardSlant]

while you're *****ing me out about comprehension - please refer to points i've made several times in this post alone.

1) this isn't about henson - this is NOT my argument.
2) this is about you and your constant desire to slam anything henson does.

so - focal point is you - NOT henson.

and then -

i've told you time and again i wasn't gonna waste my time finding positive articles about henson cause all you do is shut 'em down and slap them back as "wrong".

now the focus is finding articles about henson that are positive.

then the move to you was a positive article someone posted about henson that made you give henson props - not beat up the writer, the messenger, henson...

so you wiffed on this move also.

before you whine at someone's comprehension, make sure you understand what they're trying to tell *you*.

now - you want me to show positive articles on henson, i wanna see where ONE made you give him props.

not the backhanded compliment you gave and took away all at the same time. but if that's as close as you can get...need i say it?

i win.

checkmate.

So first, you can post information about Henson being good, you just wont. Then, you never said you could post said info, even though you clearly stated that you, in fact, could. Now, Henson has nothing to do with this discussion, even though he is the basis of this entire thread. You're running out of room to retreat, and fast.

As for your diversionary attempt, I never claimed to have given Henson props because of an article, whereas you DID claim you could post evidence to prove he was good. I said I WOULD if said information was both credible and noteworthy and listed actual facts, not the opinions of a beatwriter, which the few articles proclaiming Henson's greatness that I've seen here are not.

So not only are you wrong, gramatically confused, and a liar, but now you are putting words in my mouth. How many different ways will you spin this before you just give it up?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Henson faster than Bledsoe.

Henson avoids the sack, Bledsoe wouldn't.

If you had a clue about football, you'd realize that he HAD INFERIOR TALENT PLAYING WITH HIM TOO.

I'm through arguing with someone that can't grasp the simplest concepts, take the short bus, go to remedial football, and come back when you know what the hell you are talking about.

Great players make the players around them better. Ergo, it shouldnt matter that henson is playing with inferior talent, if the defensive talent is just as inferior, he should help his guys rise to the occasion like all the talented NFL QBs do.

 

[zrinkill]

Henson is an NFL QB ....... anyone who says otherwise is biased.

I will never understand how people can say they are Cowboy fans ...... but then activley root against one of their players ... be it Henson or T.O. or Carpenter.


But then again I am just a homer right?



{disclaimer : this is not directed at Iceberg, so please dont get upset }

 

[iceberg]

As for your diversionary attempt, I never claimed to have given Henson props because of an article

no - *i* said you never have so it was pointless to provide one because it will do nothing but be an argument - NOT something you'll go "ok, that's right" about. so why would i do that?

, whereas you DID claim you could post evidence to prove he was good. I said I WOULD if said information was both credible and noteworthy and listed actual facts, not the opinions of a beatwriter, which the few articles proclaiming Henson's greatness that I've seen here are not.

and this, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly what he would do to ANY article posting good things about henson - he just gave himself the "way out" to slap him around at his leisure.

OF WHICH is what i said you're only out to do

OF WHICH is why i said it would be pointless to post positives articles about henson.

OF WHICH is why i know better than to waste my time doing so.

like i said - comprehension and you don't play together too much.