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Nors said:
Bradie is in the battle of his LIFE.

Shanle and Fowler appear to be beating him out inside so far.



:laugh1:


Appear, howso?

BJ is a starter and he played a heck of a ballgame Sat. night. How on earth can you think those two are "beating" him out?

Note: If Parcells says something good about Fowler or Shanle, that doesn't mean he has bad things to say about Bradie. Saying good things about Burnett doesn't mean Parcells is unhappy with Als. Really.

Note 2: Fowler and Shanle are part of the LB depth that Parcells is so concerned with. Think about it.
 

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As much as I dislike Singleton being on the team he sticks barring some sort of big vet LB coming in.

Singleton/James et al about the same size?

You add/subtract 10 lbs of muscle do you look and feel the same?

And BP said clear as day concerned about the depth at OLB.
 

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blindzebra said:
That would explain Bradie starting and playing by far the best game I've seen him play.

The 3 best LBs on the field Saturday night were James, Singleton, and Fowler.
Agreed on Fowler....

Parcells LAMbasted OLB play -


James in battle for life to hold off Shanle, Fowler.

Your prejudice is slaying your objectiveness. Thats wrong but very transparant.
 

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AsthmaField said:
:laugh1:


Note 2: Fowler and Shanle are part of the LB depth that Parcells is so concerned with. Think about it.



Actually, if I'm correct about this, Parcells is concerned with the depth at OLB. Fowler and Shanle are both ILBs.


So if Als is starting Parcells would have to be referring to Burnett and Thornton. Just cuz Burnett is a 2nd round pick doesn't mean he's all world. And Parcells did mention a few days ago that Burnett is just trying to keep his head above water right now (or something like that).

The potential is there, but that doesn't mean he's ready for action right now.


And we don't even know specifically what Parcells is talking about anyway. All this "debating" right now is based on our guesses. We don't know if he's concnerned with OLB depth due to Quantity or Quality. Maybe he wants another OLB here? Maybe the ones he has just aren't cutting it? Fact is, we don't know.

Nors thinks he knows, but he doesn't know. But if he's right, he'll toot his own horn about it non stop for the rest of his life, all the while ignoring the fact that he's actually wrong 99% of the time. Ty Law anyone?
 

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Nors said:
Your prejudice is slaying your objectiveness. Thats wrong but very transparant.



Which is probably why you don't see it when you look in the mirror.
 

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Nors said:
Agreed on Fowler....

Parcells LAMbasted OLB play -


James in battle for life to hold off Shanle, Fowler.

Your prejudice is slaying your objectiveness. Thats wrong but very transparant.
Crack killed applejack...he jumped in and he never came back....he didn't even know that....death lived in the rock house. :cool:
 

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Nors said:
We agree on depth - Ware and Burnett. Als has ZERO pash rushing skills as a 3-4 OLB. Again to Parcells point - he is very concerned at OLB.....

DEPTH. OLB DEPTH. Unless you are saying that Coach Parcells is lying and is hiding the fact that Singleton is such a waste of a roster spot.
 

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Rack said:
Actually, if I'm correct about this, Parcells is concerned with the depth at OLB. Fowler and Shanle are both ILBs.


I was on a roll... don't start throwing facts at me.:D


No, you're right, it was OLB that he mentioned. As a matter of fact, if I had to guess, I'd bet that Parcells isn't too unhappy with his ILB's or the depth there.

Nguyen and James have the potential to make a very good inside tandem... and Fowler/Shanle aren't too shabby as reserves, IMO. Fowler in particular seems to be "getting it", as Parcells would say.
 

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Rack said:
Actually, if I'm correct about this, Parcells is concerned with the depth at OLB. Fowler and Shanle are both ILBs.


So if Als is starting Parcells would have to be referring to Burnett and Thornton. Just cuz Burnett is a 2nd round pick doesn't mean he's all world. And Parcells did mention a few days ago that Burnett is just trying to keep his head above water right now (or something like that).

The potential is there, but that doesn't mean he's ready for action right now.


And we don't even know specifically what Parcells is talking about anyway. All this "debating" right now is based on our guesses. We don't know if he's concnerned with OLB depth due to Quantity or Quality. Maybe he wants another OLB here? Maybe the ones he has just aren't cutting it? Fact is, we don't know.

Nors thinks he knows, but he doesn't know. But if he's right, he'll toot his own horn about it non stop for the rest of his life, all the while ignoring the fact that he's actually wrong 99% of the time. Ty Law anyone?


Darren Howard anyone? staying 4-3 anyone? Hybrid anyone?

I can add - thats what separates me from those that can't read Parcells math.... Did you read all my blatant post by BO in offseason at LB? AND YOU STILL TRY AND DISMISS issues at Als as Parcells lashes out....
 

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Nors said:
Agreed on Fowler....

Parcells LAMbasted OLB play -


James in battle for life to hold off Shanle, Fowler.

Your prejudice is slaying your objectiveness. Thats wrong but very transparant.

Let me get your argument straight:

Al is too small, but I've given you pictures that show him around the same size as two of our biggest LBs.

Parcells blasting the lack of depth at OLB, means he is going to release his first string OLB.

James being in a "battle for his life" against Shanle and Fowler at INSIDE LB has some baring on his blasting his OLBs.

That seems to be what you've said, and I'm the one who's prejudice is slaying my objectiveness.:D
 

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4 pages because one person misinterprets or doesn't hear all of what Parcells said about depth at OLB. Amazing. This entire thread could have been relatively short with the help of this one little device.

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adbutcher said:
Crack killed applejack...he jumped in and he never came back....he didn't even know that....death lived in the rock house. :cool:
LOL!!

I don't feel like getting into another 'definition' war, but could someone please explain to Nors what 'lambaste' means?

I mean, like telling him that "I'm concerned about depth" doesn't quite quailfy as a 'lambasting"?
 

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Nors said:
Darren Howard anyone? staying 4-3 anyone? Hybrid anyone?

I can add - thats what separates me from those that can't read Parcells math.... Did you read all my blatant post by BO in offseason at LB? AND YOU STILL TRY AND DISMISS issues at Als as Parcells lashes out....

You can't even stay on topic. You have to go running back to some issue that you think you were right about.

I don't think Rack had much of an opinion on Howard or the 4-3, he is just pointing out the inconsistencies in your logic.

Answer this: If Al is so awful, why is he still in the starting lineup? If he was so undesirable, wouldn't someone else, anyone else be playing there?

You do realize a team needs vet leadership, right? You mock Al for being a ST to start his career, right? What do you think Shanle has been so far? Think Al might have some words of advice to help him along?

Maybe he helps these guys through camp and accelerates Burnett's learning curve so he can start and succeed earlier. Is that worth a $2 million cap hit? Sure, when you have like $6 million left still and there isn't anyone out there worth signing for that.

So, Al gets cut and Burnett is a bust? What does Dallas do at OLB? What if Burnett is a success, but gets hurt? Who plays then?

Don't downplay the Jersey links either. Al is from Newark.
 

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DLK150 said:
4 pages because one person misinterprets or doesn't hear all of what Parcells said about depth at OLB. Amazing. This entire thread could have been relatively short with the help of this one little device.

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The problem's with a different part of the anatomy, DLK.

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He hears the same words we do, but some wierd cranial glitch keeps screwing up the message.
 

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Singleton, Alshermond LB Dallas Cowboys 1650000.00
Nguyen, Dat LB Dallas Cowboys 1375000.00
Shanle, Scott LB Dallas Cowboys 380000.00
James, Bradie LB Dallas Cowboys 380000.00
O'Neil, Keith LB Dallas Cowboys 380000.00
Fowler, Ryan LB Dallas Cowboys 305000.00
Thornton, Kalen LB Dallas Cowboys 305000.00
Burnett, Kevin LB Dallas Cowboys 230000.00
Goolsby, Mike LB Dallas Cowboys 230000.00
Condo, Jon LB Dallas Cowboys 230000.00
Cooper, Roger LB Dallas Cowboys 230000.00
 

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Nors said:
Darren Howard anyone? staying 4-3 anyone? Hybrid anyone?

I can add - thats what separates me from those that can't read Parcells math.... Did you read all my blatant post by BO in offseason at LB? AND YOU STILL TRY AND DISMISS issues at Als as Parcells lashes out....

Perhaps Parcells own words will help:

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OXNARD, Calif. - Saturday night was what Greg Ellis was talking about, that apprehension he had over becoming a right defensive end in this 3-4 scheme.

There he was, lined up in his stance over on the right side, all 6-6, 270 pounds of him. Not exactly a little guy, you know, but not exactly the prototypical size for a defensive end in one of these 3-4 defense.

And there, right across the line from him, with the new "menacing" Cardinal on his helmet, was Leonard Davis, the Arizona offensive left tackle. For some reason, they used to call him "Big." Big? That's an understatement. How could they not have at least called him "Huge?" Or maybe better yet, "Condo."

Davis is 6-6, so at least Ellis could look the guy in the eye. But he's also 370 pounds. That's right, no misprint. We're talking three-seventy here - almost exactly 100 pounds heavier than Ellis, the relative pipsqueak.

Good luck with all that.

Just mention the guy, and Ellis' eyes expand greatly, screaming, "Aw man, that's what I was talking about."

But you know, and I know it was only like five series in that preseason game, something strange occurred. The relative flat-belly Ellis handled El Grande - more than held his own.

Said Cowboys head coach Bill Parcells after inspecting tape of the game, "Ellis against that Leonard Davis? C'mon."

For those in need of sub-titles, Parcells basically was saying, Ellis was all over Davis, and especially in the running game. Now, no, he didn't record any sacks. But you know what, that position in the 3-4 is not designed to total a huge number of sacks. That guy's job is to occupy the offensive tackle so those linebackers, the pesky Vespas of this 3-4, can scoot in for tackles and sacks.

And Ellis must have done that well for Parcells to be so boastful since Ellis did not have a tackle or a sack in those five possessions. But again, and this is what Parcells has been preaching to his guys about this transition to the 3-4: This is a team defense. Everyone sacrifices for the betterment of the whole.

And it's not that Ellis was worried about his numbers. It's just that he did not want to be the weak link, then become odd-man-out for having to play out of position.

"I just didn't want to be the guy who let the team down," Ellis said of his worries, knowing he pretty much had perfected playing left defensive end in the 4-3 after seven years with the Cowboys but knew nothing about playing end in a 3-4. "I feel bad to say I'm still learning after eight years in the league."

That's Ellis. He figures he should be doing the teaching, not the learning. But he's learning. He's learning to play more with his hands. He's learning about leveraging. He's learning about gapping.

Leaving him to say, "I've learned more football than I ever had" this off-season and summer.

Sure doesn't sound like that portrayed disgruntled veteran who was paranoid about changing roles to appease Parcells' desire to incorporate the 3-4 in the Cowboys' defensive repertoire. Doesn't sound like a guy who would demand a trade, or is playing so far out of position the Cowboys would be forced to trade him.

Sounds just like the Greg Ellis we've known all these years.

"I'm feeling better about it," Ellis said of his role in the 3-4.

Funny, though, because just as soon as Ellis starts feeling better about this 3-4, Parcells starts working more four-man front in practice this week. Now technically, not a 4-3 defense as we've come to know it, but a derivative of which will incorporate four down linemen.

So something causing Parcells to change his mind?

"Now I've told everybody all along what was going to happen, but a few people have taken and run with the ball the other way, (saying) OK, this transition is 3-4, it's this and it's this, but I've told you all along what's going to happen," Parcells said.

And what he had been saying, for the record, is that he wants to incorporate the 3-4 into his defensive plans, and that since playing the 3-4 was totally foreign to this team and most of these players and assistant coaches, he would start working on it pretty much on a fulltime basis. But, there was a "but" in there, always prefacing he would like to be able to move in and out of both defenses to keep offenses guessing.

Two things, though, I believe are giving him pause as he says he now must decide what the defensive front ratio between the 3-4 and 4-3 will be: 50-10, 40-20 or 30-30, since he figures the club will be in the nickel, which consists of four down linemen, two linebackers and five DB's, roughly 33 to 40 percent of the time.

First, the Cowboys didn't exactly make an aggressive transition from playing run to pass rushing in the Arizona game. The guys in the front seven seemed so conscious of stopping the run, they were slow transitioning into rushing the passer when it was a pass play. The Cowboys had no sacks against the Cards, and pressure only a few times.

Next, after watching La'Roi Glover play so well on the nose against the Cardinals, I'm guessing Parcells was not liking the idea of Glover - when Jason Ferguson is healthy and manning the nose - standing next to him on the sideline, even if he's trying to reduce his number of plays.

"All of the thought process that's going into that," Parcells said, "is involving trying to keep the best quality of players that I have in the game for the majority of what I feel like is workable for that player."

Not exactly brain surgery to figure out you must fit your scheme to your personnel; that no matter the Cowboys have acquired Ferguson and Marcus Spears and Demarcus Ware and Chris Canty and Kevin Burnett, you can't ignore Glover and Ellis.

See, when all are healthy, here is what Parcells has to work with on the defensive line: Ellis, Glover, Ferguson, Spears, Kenyon Coleman, Chris Canty, Leo Carson and now rookies Jay Ratliff and Thomas Johnson. Maybe even Ware, depending on what the Cowboys decide to do with him.

But when playing the 3-4, here is what they have at outside linebacker: Ware, Al Singleton, Burnett and Kalen Thornton. Now Eric Ogbogu has played out there some, but really, he's a pass-rushing defensive end. Don't know if he has the agility to play that outside linebacker spot.

Seems to me Parcells still has better depth on the defensive line than at linebacker, and he even said here on Tuesday one of his biggest concerns is the depth at outside linebacker. And really, the strength of the 3-4 needs to be your talent at outside linebacker. That's where the mismatches occur.

And, he even admits this consternation over how much of which defense he plays basically comes down to if he wants Glover on the field for the majority of downs or if he wants Singleton on the field over there at the left outside linebacker spot. Because it seems if the Cowboys are playing a base 4-3, there is a good chance the outside backers just might be James, Shanle or Singleton and Ware.

Plus, there is this, and got a feeling this is really sticking in Bill's mind. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Parcells asked Jim Burt, the former nose tackle on Parcells' Giants from back when helping coach his inside defensive linemen at camp, who he thought was the Cowboys' best defensive lineman.

"Glover," Jones said is what Burt told Parcells.

Would have been my answer, too, and I ain't no former Pro Bowl nose tackle.

So see, all this worrying about how in the world Ellis and Glover were going to fit in, and how they were concerned about their status with the team, just might have been for naught. Like water - and news - talent, even though you might inadvertently be trying suppress it, always finds its own level.

And as I've repeatedly said, don't care if I'm playing a 4-2, 3-4, 5-2, or a 6-1, me, I want as many Glovers and Ellises on that defensive line.

So does Bill.

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Bill Parcells' patience with struggling offensive tackle Torrin Tucker might be surprising, but not so if you realize that football people still think the third-year player has the physical tools to play the position in the NFL. They think he is the most powerful of the Cowboys tackle candidates.

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The same cannot be said of Jacob Rogers, whose currently sprained right knee suffered after only two plays in Saturday's preseason game seems to perturb Parcells to no end. Especially when he seems him riding the stationary bike after missing all the off-season mini-camp work following shoulder surgery.

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What sort of influence has Aaron Glenn had on fellow corner Terence Newman, who seems to be playing with increased confidence so far during training camp? Says Glenn, "You got to believe in yourself, and that's one thing I tell him to write in his notes every day, is 'I am one of the best corners in this league,' and if you keep telling yourself that, eventually it's going to stick." And I'm guessing he didn't get that kind of help from anyone while he was slumping last year.
 

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LaTunaNostra said:
LOL!!

I don't feel like getting into another 'definition' war, but could someone please explain to Nors what 'lambaste' means?

I mean, like telling him that "I'm concerned about depth" doesn't quite quailfy as a 'lambasting"?


Main Entry: lam·baste
Variant(s): or lam·bast /(")lam-'bAst, -'bast; 'lam-"/
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: probably from 1lam + baste
1 : to assault violently : [size=-1]BEAT[/size], [size=-1]WHIP[/size]
2 : to attack verbally : [size=-1]CENSURE[/size]
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Singleton, Alshermond LB Dallas Cowboys 1650000.00
Nguyen, Dat LB Dallas Cowboys 1375000.00
Shanle, Scott LB Dallas Cowboys 380000.00
James, Bradie LB Dallas Cowboys 380000.00
O'Neil, Keith LB Dallas Cowboys 380000.00
Fowler, Ryan LB Dallas Cowboys 305000.00
Thornton, Kalen LB Dallas Cowboys 305000.00
Burnett, Kevin LB Dallas Cowboys 230000.00
Goolsby, Mike LB Dallas Cowboys 230000.00
Condo, Jon LB Dallas Cowboys 230000.00
Cooper, Roger LB Dallas Cowboys 230000.00

Super Bowl Rings:

Singleton, Alshermond 1
Other guys: 0

What is Dallas going to spend that saved money on?
 
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