Parsons vs Eagles' Hasson Riddick

[mldardy]

reddick is currently better, but who knows next season?

No he's not

 

[blueblood70]

No he's not

100%

ill call it a wash but parsons is younger and cheaper and still learning the game at the nfl level. ie upside still there

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

People here said Reddick wasn’t a big signing for them. LOL.

Yep I was one of them. I was wrong especially this year. He had a very good season.

 

[ChronicCowboy]

Philly just knocked it out of the freaking park last off-season and I certainly recognized it. I just thought Hurts would hold the team back but I was dead wrong. Howie Roseman deserves GM of the year and saying that makes me sick.

 

[quickccc]

This one shows that there are 3 DL between (inside) the outside shoulders of the OTs.
- That's a 3-4 (odd front) concept even if one of the 2 edge players outside the OTs puts his hand down.

4-3 and 3-4 are outdated terminology.

It should be 3-2-2-4 (DL, edge, off-ball LB, DB).

In the modern era, teams often replace an ILB with a DB but the front 5 still looks like a "3-4": 3-2-1-5

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/PHI

I made the mentioned of 4-3 scheme based off the Philly Eagles Depth Chart Lineup.
Note how Reddick is slated as an OLB.

- Ditto with LB Von Miller and how he's schemed in Buffalo front seven
Doesn't appear that Miller is schemed where he is going against 330 lbs OTs on a down by down basis.

- How much is Parsons going against OTs ... vs TEs .. and vs double team chips ?
Can we scheme him to where he is not having to take on as excessive pounding, wear & tear toll?
To where he is not physically worn out 2nd half of seasons like he appears to be right now ?

 

[cnuball21]

The only thing Reddick is better at is having a slightly larger sack number in the box score.

Parsons had a higher pass rush win rate despite facing 20% more double teams, more pressures, more stops and a higher run stop rate.

He’s a better player and he’s still progressing.

 

[quickccc]

QB Hits (2022)
Parsons 27
Reddick 26

QB KnockDowns
Parsons 14
Reddick 10

How much/many QB hits, sacks, forced fumbles came in the 1st half of the season,..?

How many QB hits, sacks, forced fumbles came in the 2nd half of the season ...?

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReddHa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/ParsMi00.htm

 

[exciter]

Philly signed LB Hasson Reddick as a free agent this offseason , and he gave them 16 sacks in just his first year with the Eagles.
That also led Hasson to be voted to his first Pro Bowl in his NFL career
16 sacks in a single season mark, is more than what Parsons has had in any of his 2 years in the NFL .(13 sacks in each year)

- More so, Riddick recorded 8 sacks in the Eagles six games in both December and January months, so no apparent wear & tear toll for Reddick.

- Parsons however currently has the look of a physical wear- tear pounding, and whether what end, or if up the gut middle,
he does not look to have near the same explosion and strength he had earlier in the year.

- Making it more interesting, Philly plays the 4-3 scheme,(and it's a creative- pressure- front 4-3)
Reddick is listed as 4-3 OLB, but the scheme in which he’s implemented has him blitzing and rushing off the edges or overloads in gaps, than being a full time DE.

- Parsons basically lining up on the edge as a DE than an off ball OLB. Taking on 330+ lbs OTs, on more frequent every down basis, more than he is dealing with TEs.

- Bottom line, i dunno how it is gonna play out with the Cowboys DC role and Dan Quinn next year .. or who will be the new DC,
but maybe the Cowboys need to greatly take a look at Reddick’s role and scheme with the Eagles, and make it more suitable scheme fit
for Parsons as well ?

Reddick had 7.5 sacks total his 1st 3 seasons. How many you figure Parsons will be producing year 6?

 

[exciter]

It's amazing what the Eagles did in one off season with free agents and trades. Someone tell cap boy to look at what can be done besides using just the draft.
It's no wonder the defense has struggled the last 6 weeks. Parsons has worn completely down which has a domino effect on the other rushers. Dan Quinn failed in that department misusing him to take on way too many 300 pounders.
I still don't know why they didn't give him a game off against either Tennessee or Washington. If he isn't a fresh Micah Parsons then this defense goes down a few notches and it has shown.

Hmmm… Hargrave, Cox, and Graham’s contracts expire after this season. Hargrave has an 11.9 m cap hit for them next season. Cox 7.5m cap hit. Graham 9.6m. Want to tell me more of the wonderful job they did!!!

 

[Praxit]

..thing with Parsons. There's no fall off. Either he's avg or great.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Hmmm… Hargrave, Cox, and Graham’s contracts expire after this season. Hargrave has an 11.9 m cap hit for them next season. Cox 7.5m cap hit. Graham 9.6m. Want to tell me more of the wonderful job they did!!!

Shame on all of those talent-acquiring teams for sullying their caps. Regardless of where KC, philly, and SF end up, they’ll never be able to claim their cap as pristine as Stephen’s!

 

[Cowboy_svt]

Reddick had 7.5 sacks total his 1st 3 seasons. How many you figure Parsons will be producing year 6?

tbf Parsons has started every game his two years, Reddick only started a handful his first three. But yeah Parsons will only get better with time with more experience

 

[quickccc]

The only thing Reddick is better at is having a slightly larger sack number in the box score.

Parsons had a higher pass rush win rate despite facing 20% more double teams, more pressures, more stops and a higher run stop rate.

He’s a better player and he’s still progressing.

My point is not a debate which is a better player.

- My point is how can we better scheme Parsons to where he is not exposed to as much take on wear- tear toll ?

- What can be done to better preserve Micah to where he is fresher, and be more effective down the stretch and heading into the crucial playoffs ?

- Is Hasson being schemed in Philly, to where he's not taking on biggies on an every down basis - that prevents him, preserves him from the wear down
and he's stronger and remains effective down the stretch.

 

[cnuball21]

My point is not a debate which is a better player.

- My point is how can we better scheme Parsons to where he is not exposed to as much take on wear- tear toll ?

- What can be done to better preserve Micah to where he is fresher, and be more effective down the stretch and heading into the crucial playoffs ?

- Is Hasson being schemed in Philly, to where he's not taking on biggies on an every down basis - that prevents him, preserves him from the wear down
and he's stronger and remains effective down the stretch.

Oh for sure. I think we should be using Parsons more like last year than we did this year - meaning off ball LBr in base down and rush the passer as much as possible in pass rush downs.

The Eagles have done a much better job scheming their players defensively, but they also have more talent than we do so that helps.

That being said Parsons has been disruptive all year. I don’t buy the narrative he “disappeared down the stretch.” He was directly responsible for a sack against Wash and had a pressure that led to an INT. When your double / triple teamed 30% of the time the sack numbers aren’t always going to be there.

 

[HungryLion]

Imagine if Parsons actually had good DT’s helping him out like Reddick does.

 

[HungryLion]

My point is not a debate which is a better player.

- My point is how can we better scheme Parsons to where he is not exposed to as much take on wear- tear toll ?

- What can be done to better preserve Micah to where he is fresher, and be more effective down the stretch and heading into the crucial playoffs ?

- Is Hasson being schemed in Philly, to where he's not taking on biggies on an every down basis - that prevents him, preserves him from the wear down
and he's stronger and remains effective down the stretch.

I don’t think it’s necessarily a schematic issue. Do I think parsons would be better as a standup OLB perhaps in a 3-4? Sure.


But it’s the difference in help. The cowboys DT’s are garbage in comparison to the eagles. Having some help inside would free parsons up much more than he currently is.

 

[exciter]

Shame on all of those talent-acquiring teams for sullying their caps. Regardless of where KC, philly, and SF end up, they’ll never be able to claim their cap as pristine as Stephen’s!

Lol, 29m for 3 players who currently won’t be on the team and yet we still have a better record over the last 2 seasons. But hey, let’s manage our team with the mentality of a child with a need for instant gratification and as if this will be the last year there will be football forever and ever!

 

[quickccc]

Who cares about sacks. Yall act like sacks is the end all be all measuring stick of a defensive lineman or linebacker. Parsons impact on the field outweighs how many sacks he gets. He is constantly putting pressure on the QB to get rid of the ball quicker than normal and making the QB throw the ball off balance or get outside of the pocket. That pressure also allows our other defensive players to get a sack and get pressure. That is the impact he has. Not to mention the overwhelming number of times he's held without getting that call.

Come contract negotiation time .. it is.

- How do you think DLaw got his first big money contract when he re-signed a 5 year- 105 million..?
He backed and based it with two double digit sack seasons.

- Robert Quinn had 11 sacks his final year with the Cowboys, ..and that led to a 5 year 70 million contract with the Bears.

 

[quickccc]

I don’t think it’s necessarily a schematic issue. Do I think parsons would be better as a standup OLB perhaps in a 3-4? Sure.


But it’s the difference in help. The cowboys DT’s are garbage in comparison to the eagles. Having some help inside would free parsons up much more than he currently is.

Not just the DTs, .. if Parsons is demanding so much devised blocking scheme attention and double teams, .that should be freeing up single blocks,
but then where da hell are the other rushers ?

- if Parsons is collecting multiple blockers on one side .. where Dlaw on the other side ?

- What happened to veterans Dorace Armstrong and Dante Fowler this 2nd half of the season ?

 

[quickccc]

Reddick had 7.5 sacks total his 1st 3 seasons. How many you figure Parsons will be producing year 6?

i don't think Philly cares about what Reddick did his first 3 years .. its about those 16 sacks in just one single season upon his arrival signing, that he's giving them heading into the playoffs.