Part of the Dez Rolling Stones Article

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If Wells had to pay off people to get Dez out of trouble where would the money come from? It would come from Dez by him repaying Wells.

There is no point debating this. You and many others are emotionally invested in this issue.

We already know what happens when you have an emotional reaction. Remember when you told me at this time last year that Parnell sucked and was not a capable NFL player? Then months later when your emotions cooled you admitted that he was indeed a good player?
You sound like Wells responding to the claims by the accountants. Try to stay on topic please. You seem to be the one emotionally invested, unwilling to actually talk about the detailed facts that have been presented so far.
 

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Fish's take on that.


Fish is in the tank for Dez Bryant. #pun

When this piece of garbage reveals himself for who he really is, I'm gonna sit back and enjoy it with a big grin on my face. And you know who'll be defending this trash when it happens?Dumb *** Michael Irvin! #Irony

One man crime wave? With only one arrest in career? I call that a myth that has been perpetuated for far TOO DAMN LONG! I guess if you regurgitate something enough than perception becomes reality!

Was he an idiot? For sure! Was he busted spectacularly? About as spectacular as any public person has ever been exposed! Was he one man crime wave? Get the bleep out of here! Biggest crock of bleep I've heard in my life! Irvin and that entire team has been tainted by one arrest that would be viewed as normal activity by today's standards. Take that arrest away and what you got? Leon Lett failing some drug test? Clayton Holmes suspension for drug test failures? Two Steelers will likely serve four games of suspension for drug arrest and drug test failures. It's already forgotten. Puts no stain on the organization.

But Irvin(and the 90'S Cowboys) will always be considered out of control outlaws because of ONE arrest.
 
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Fish is in the tank for Dez Bryant. #pun

When this piece of garbage reveals himself for who he really is, I'm gonna sit back and enjoy it with a big grin on my face. And you know who'll be defending this trash when it happens?Dumb *** Michael Irvin! #Irony

One man crime wave? With only one arrest in career? I call that a myth that has been perpetuated for far TOO DAMN LONG! I guess if you regurgitate something enough than perception becomes reality!

Was he an idiot? For sure! Was he busted spectacularly? About as spectacular as any public person has ever been exposed! Was he one man crime wave? Get the bleep out of here! Biggest crock of bleep I've heard in my life! Irvin and that entire team has been tainted by one arrest that would be viewed as normal activity by today's standards. Take that arrest away and what you got? Leon Lett failing some drug test? Clayton Holmes suspension for drug test failures? Two Steelers will likely serve four games of suspension for drug arrest and drug test failures. It's already forgotten. Puts no stain on the organization.

But Irvin(and the 90'S Cowboys) will always be considered out of control outlaws because of ONE arrest.

What is wrong with you man? Lol
 

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I agree with this. He is obviously not covering up murder like the Wolfe character but it's a similar concept at a lower level of bad behaviour.

Wells has a lot of connections and is obviously respected by the Cowboys. If he consistently behaved as claimed in the article he would never have been respected by the Cowboys and others.

This article was done with oversight from Roc and is really intended to make Dez more marketable and put the past behind him.

The article is NOT deep investigative unbiased journalism.

The only real issue I have with your statement there is the fluff piece did contain factual information and that is where money was involved.
Statements Wells made about money were easily disproved by accountants.
When confronted with those accounting notes, Wells basically fired off threats.

Ben and Skin had the guy's smarmy lawyer on and again tried to say really ignorant things about how much Wells did for Dez by using examples where Dez had incidents with his Mom and at the mall arguing over saggy jeans.
The slimeball literally tried to claim Wells was responsible for Dez getting his huge contract and Wells was if anything underpaid.
--Both of those incidents effected Dez ANYWAY, but neither were the type of the league suspends you for --- so perhaps it is Tom Brady that needs David Wells???

We have accounting notes saying he made 17K per month plus paid 5-6k a month for a house (owned by Royce West/David Wells) and paid for 5 or 6 car leases even tho Dez said he only bought two vehicles.
The totals came up to somewhere around 900k... that's insane. No wonder Dez was having money issues even with exclusive brand name endorsements like Jordan.

End of the day Dez was a handful and needed some mgmt around him. But he paid a small fortune for Wells to take care of small emotional outbursts more akin to temper tantrums than crimes.

Wells had made 50 to 100 times as much money as Dez by the middle of that first contract and he still charged a broke Dez out the nose all while pretending to be doing out of love and concern....

Logically we are aware Dez confided a lot in Wells and for Dez to risk all that stuff being made public it was because a change was absolutely necessary.
The media such as Ben and Skin that are providing Wells a forum are either not very smart or they are just as predatory.

Wells wanted a percentage of Dez's new contract to walk away quietly.
When he didn't get that deal, he kept pushing data back to the Cowboys (some of which like a Walmart tape) is either untrue or unproven.
He was literally getting paid WHILE hurting Dez's negotiating power with the team in an effort to make himself part of the new deal.
That dude is a straight up cancer.
 

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Do you really think Rolling Stone would give oversight to RocSports?

They may be a notch above a tabloid these days, but giving control to the interviewee is not something they do. They may come at it with a predetermined point of view but final say would be a bit dramatic

If you heard the journalist on the air you'd know they didn't need oversight.
That guy talked to both Dez and Wells and he loved Dez but hated Wells.

Wells offered all these things he did out of pocket for Wells but the journalist said I have bank statements in those amounts coming from Dez at that time and you had power of attorney over those accounts.
Wells said tell them to sue if they want but I get to depose Dez in court... WOW!
 

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Man....I guess i'm a bit shocked by the tone of the article. Dez seems a bit angry or he was this past season anyway. I just don't get that from Dez but I guess I can understand it. You feel like you're worth something and the organization you fight so hard for thinks you're worth 12 million guaranteed because they don't trust you.

he was very hurt.
dez is insanely loyal. insanely!!!! it is everything to him.
wells and the cowboys who were his closest allies outside family were working TOGETHER against him.

he had every right to be mad and to make a major change.
 

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he was very hurt.
dez is insanely loyal. insanely!!!! it is everything to him.
wells and the cowboys who were his closest allies outside family were working TOGETHER against him.

he had every right to be mad and to make a major change.

I agree. I guess I sort of didn't see it. But I agree. I felt disrespected myself at the low balling.

If there was one guy you could've overpaid for it was Dez. You can lowball Demarco or any of these other guys. But Dez was the one guy that should've been addressed earlier. His contract talks should've been a lot friendlier but it seems like everyone is on the same page now.
 

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people seriously that offended about that Irvin comment from Dez?
I'm sure Michael even understands it and isn't upset about it.
 

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The only real issue I have with your statement there is the fluff piece did contain factual information and that is where money was involved.
Statements Wells made about money were easily disproved by accountants.
When confronted with those accounting notes, Wells basically fired off threats.

Ben and Skin had the guy's smarmy lawyer on and again tried to say really ignorant things about how much Wells did for Dez by using examples where Dez had incidents with his Mom and at the mall arguing over saggy jeans.
The slimeball literally tried to claim Wells was responsible for Dez getting his huge contract and Wells was if anything underpaid.
--Both of those incidents effected Dez ANYWAY, but neither were the type of the league suspends you for --- so perhaps it is Tom Brady that needs David Wells???

We have accounting notes saying he made 17K per month plus paid 5-6k a month for a house (owned by Royce West/David Wells) and paid for 5 or 6 car leases even tho Dez said he only bought two vehicles.
The totals came up to somewhere around 900k... that's insane. No wonder Dez was having money issues even with exclusive brand name endorsements like Jordan.

End of the day Dez was a handful and needed some mgmt around him. But he paid a small fortune for Wells to take care of small emotional outbursts more akin to temper tantrums than crimes.

Wells had made 50 to 100 times as much money as Dez by the middle of that first contract and he still charged a broke Dez out the nose all while pretending to be doing out of love and concern....

Logically we are aware Dez confided a lot in Wells and for Dez to risk all that stuff being made public it was because a change was absolutely necessary.
The media such as Ben and Skin that are providing Wells a forum are either not very smart or they are just as predatory.

Wells wanted a percentage of Dez's new contract to walk away quietly.
When he didn't get that deal, he kept pushing data back to the Cowboys (some of which like a Walmart tape) is either untrue or unproven.
He was literally getting paid WHILE hurting Dez's negotiating power with the team in an effort to make himself part of the new deal.
That dude is a straight up cancer.

I like Ben and Skin, but they have a simple formula of how they operate. They attempt to befriend local players, coaches and team executives. If they are friends with those people they become completely 1 sided and will set up guests that are in opposition to look stupid. They are in control of the narrative. It part of how that station became the official Cowboys and Ranger Flagship when other stations originally had those rights. It's similar to how Fox news had the good looking, well spoken guy that represented one side of a debate and they had the ugly guy that represented the other side of the debate. It's all about controlling the narrative.

I heard the Rolling Stone writer on the radio. It was obvious that he was completely biased in favor of Dez and Roc. When questioned he would come up with some extreme excuses for anything that went against that agenda.

I know people that know more of the real behind the scenes stories related to Dez but there is no point telling something here that can't be proven. I'll just say that I'm certain Wells did a lot to keep Dez out of trouble and there is a high probability that there were some large expenses incurred in the process.

If you watch the show Ballers it deals with the same type of issues and the show has real NFL people that consult on the scripts. I think a player or ex player is even one of the writers. On the show they paid off a woman that had pictures of the Star player smoking weed. I think they ended up paying out 150K for that. Imagine if they had video of the guy doing something worse like hitting a woman. In the Show, the Rocks character works for a company that handles players finances. It was the company that wrote the check to the woman. It didn't come directly from the player. We also know that it's a very high probability that Hardy's people paid off his ex-girlfriend to not show up in court. It seems that payoffs may be a fairly common occurrence with athletes, but obviously there is no way to know for certain.

It's not too hard to imagine how the same scenario could have played out with Dez and Wells. Even if you don't believe that it happened, just consider "what if" it did happen. The money would likely have been paid out by Wells and he would have to in turn get the money from Dez. Consider that Dez didn't separate from Wells until Roc entered the picture. Consider that Jay-Z can probably get Rolling Stone and it's doofus reporter to write whatever he wants them to write. A publication like Rolling Stone has to get access in order to function and Jay-Z is one of the top players in the entertainment industry. There is really no way that Wells can compete with Roc and Jay-Z. They can put together any story that they want and there's nothing he can do about it.
 

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I like Ben and Skin, but they have a simple formula of how they operate. They attempt to befriend local players, coaches and team executives. If they are friends with those people they become completely 1 sided and will set up guests that are in opposition to look stupid. They are in control of the narrative. It part of how that station became the official Cowboys and Ranger Flagship when other stations originally had those rights. It's similar to how Fox news had the good looking, well spoken guy that represented one side of a debate and they had the ugly guy that represented the other side of the debate. It's all about controlling the narrative.

I heard the Rolling Stone writer on the radio. It was obvious that he was completely biased in favor of Dez and Roc. When questioned he would come up with some extreme excuses for anything that went against that agenda.

I know people that know more of the real behind the scenes stories related to Dez but there is no point telling something here that can't be proven. I'll just say that I'm certain Wells did a lot to keep Dez out of trouble and there is a high probability that there were some large expenses incurred in the process.

If you watch the show Ballers it deals with the same type of issues and the show has real NFL people that consult on the scripts. I think a player or ex player is even one of the writers. On the show they paid off a woman that had pictures of the Star player smoking weed. I think they ended up paying out 150K for that. Imagine if they had video of the guy doing something worse like hitting a woman. In the Show, the Rocks character works for a company that handles players finances. It was the company that wrote the check to the woman. It didn't come directly from the player. We also know that it's a very high probability that Hardy's people paid off his ex-girlfriend to not show up in court. It seems that payoffs may be a fairly common occurrence with athletes, but obviously there is no way to know for certain.

It's not too hard to imagine how the same scenario could have played out with Dez and Wells. Even if you don't believe that it happened, just consider "what if" it did happen. The money would likely have been paid out by Wells and he would have to in turn get the money from Dez. Consider that Dez didn't separate from Wells until Roc entered the picture. Consider that Jay-Z can probably get Rolling Stone and it's doofus reporter to write whatever he wants them to write. A publication like Rolling Stone has to get access in order to function and Jay-Z is one of the top players in the entertainment industry. There is really no way that Wells can compete with Roc and Jay-Z. They can put together any story that they want and there's nothing he can do about it.

There is no doubt Wells has info well beyond anything we know but the reality is Dez had minor incidents hit the news with little to no protection from Wells there so it becomes harder to believe any real dirt existed given all the digging that went on.

I compare Wells to Ray Donovan. He's a valuable tool to an org like the Cowboys who can use his resources in a broad manner and pay by the drink.
For Dez he was simply part of the deal that likely made Dez the lowest paid 1st round pick of the decade.

I went to Atwell Middle School which is in Oak Cliff. I went to school with double digit pro athletes.
I have a lot of insight at well into the reality of Wells and like Donovan he is a resource that uses the system and operates shadily for his clients.

End of the day what is 10000% clear and undisputed is Wells reported back to the Cowboys even though Dez paid him VERY well.
Wells had Dez move in next door yet couldn't prevent an incident with his momma to result in police involvement and a media spectacle?
Also he had rights over Dez's bank accounts yet Dez had financial troubles.... Why?
His effectiveness is questionable and his words have proven to be untrue.
There are transfers on dates tied directly to what Dez did have to pay off. Wells didn't cover those things.
It is possible he covered other things to hide the money but again Dez paid 5-6K a month in housing(in DeSoto??) and paid for 5-6 cars in addition to 17k per month in actual fees to Wells.
That's a ridiculous sum.
 

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There is no doubt Wells has info well beyond anything we know but the reality is Dez had minor incidents hit the news with little to no protection from Wells there so it becomes harder to believe any real dirt existed given all the digging that went on.

I compare Wells to Ray Donovan. He's a valuable tool to an org like the Cowboys who can use his resources in a broad manner and pay by the drink.
For Dez he was simply part of the deal that likely made Dez the lowest paid 1st round pick of the decade.

I went to Atwell Middle School which is in Oak Cliff. I went to school with double digit pro athletes.
I have a lot of insight at well into the reality of Wells and like Donovan he is a resource that uses the system and operates shadily for his clients.

End of the day what is 10000% clear and undisputed is Wells reported back to the Cowboys even though Dez paid him VERY well.
Wells had Dez move in next door yet couldn't prevent an incident with his momma to result in police involvement and a media spectacle?
Also he had rights over Dez's bank accounts yet Dez had financial troubles.... Why?
His effectiveness is questionable and his words have proven to be untrue.
There are transfers on dates tied directly to what Dez did have to pay off. Wells didn't cover those things.
It is possible he covered other things to hide the money but again Dez paid 5-6K a month in housing(in DeSoto??) and paid for 5-6 cars in addition to 17k per month in actual fees to Wells.
That's a ridiculous sum.

If Wells did his job as many including the Cowboys believe that he can, then any major incidents would never hit the news. Does Ray Donovan's clients problems hit the new when he has done his job?
 

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If Wells did his job as many including the Cowboys believe that he can, then any major incidents would never hit the news. Does Ray Donovan's clients problems hit the new when he has done his job?

If he can keep major things out of the news why can't he keep the minor stuff like Jewelry debt and the incident with his mother?

You are not making any sense.
 

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If Wells did his job as many including the Cowboys believe that he can, then any major incidents would never hit the news. Does Ray Donovan's clients problems hit the new when he has done his job?

Ray Donovan murdered and extorted people.

If Dez needs that type of cleaner he is a real problem and DAL doesn't need him or Wells.
 

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Ray Donovan murdered and extorted people.

If Dez needs that type of cleaner he is a real problem and DAL doesn't need him or Wells.

Well Ray Lewis did kill somebody and still provided good play for the fans of that team. If the Ravens can have a murderer then the Cowboys should be allowed their quota. ;)
 

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Well Ray Lewis did kill somebody and still provided good play for the fans of that team. If the Ravens can have a murderer then the Cowboys should be allowed their quota. ;)

Ray Lewis didn't kill anyone.

He and his friends were jumped by several armed men and 2 of the attackers were killed by associates of Ray.

Ray testified against his 2 friends and they were still found Not Guilty because of self defense.

Not even close.
 

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Ray Lewis didn't kill anyone.

He and his friends were jumped by several armed men and 2 of the attackers were killed by associates of Ray.

Ray testified against his 2 friends and they were still found Not Guilty because of self defense.

Not even close.

I guess OJ was innocent also. :lmao:
 
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