Pass the Ball, Dang it! T-RO T-RIUMPHS

[CF74]

The only recipe for a W is playing to your teams strengths and capitalizing on your opponents weaknesses.

You can start off a game with a 70/30 run/pass ratio and end up flipping that somewhere in the second half and be very successful or vise versa. Pass only or run only is one dimensional and the end result is turnovers...

 

[T-RO]

Kind of strange that the Saints were the 6th ranked running team in the NFL this past season. 6 out of 32 not bad

rushing 29 attempts a game and passing 34 passes a game

Doomsday101, The twelve teams with the best passing rankings ALL had winning records. So the correlation is 100%.

Meanshile lots of top running teams were cellar dwellers.

 

[T-RO]

A lack of effective running is why we lost to the Packers and the Vikings in the playoffs this year. Defense was able to tee off against our standing-start offensive line.

No it isn't. We lost because we even when Minn was only rushing four players they could still swarm all over Romo....with seven guys back defending.

 

[casmith07]

No it isn't. We lost because we even when Minn was only rushing four players they could still swarm all over Romo....with seven guys back defending.

How do you counteract a 4-man rush? You effectively run the football so that as another poster said, the defense isn't able to "tee off" on your QB.

Please, share with us your recipe for beating teams exclusively with the pass, since it obviously didn't work against Green Bay or Minnesota.

 

[T-RO]

Balance is pretty awesome. Apparently it lets you win Super Bowls in blowouts too.

Huh? How did the Saints win yesterday? 75% passes.

 

[casmith07]

Doomsday101, The twelve teams with the best passing rankings ALL had winning records. So the correlation is 100%.

Meanshile lots of top running teams were cellar dwellers.

What about the NY Jets - #1 rushing attack and hardly a cellar dweller?

Strawman.

 

[casmith07]

Now I can't figure what we are arguing about?

POINT 1: It is a passing centric league. EVERYONE AGREES?

POINT 2: The run is still very important in terms of keeping defenses honest, picking up critical yardage and setting up the pass. EVERYONE AGREES?

POINT 3. The team that passes more certainly doesn't win. It's about passing effectiveness. EVERYONE AGREES?

Does anyone disagree with any of these points? If not, lets shut down the thread and move on to talking about cutting Barber.

Everyone doesn't agree. T-RO would disagree with points 2 and 3, and thus the argument. Apparently you need to pass 100% of the time to go 19-0.

 

[Doomsday101]

Doomsday101, The twelve teams with the best passing rankings ALL had winning records. So the correlation is 100%.

Meanshile lots of top running teams were cellar dwellers.

Saints 6th rated running offense regardless of how you want to spin it, it is what it is. Passing is important no one else said it wasn't yet you act as if the run game plays no part and you are dead wrong. NO was able to hit some nice runs in that game that kept the colts in check and it helped to freeze LB and safety and when that happens the holes in the secondary open up as there is a delay in coverage.

 

[T-RO]

yeah he needs an education on what football is all about.

I took the same Lombardi/Parcells remedial program you had. But I didn't rest on old and outdated training. I went on to a modern Masters program. You keep learning or you die.

 

[casmith07]

Saints 6th rated running offense regardless of how you want to spin it, it is what it is. Passing is important no one else said it wasn't yet you act as if the run game plays no part and you are dead wrong. NO was able to hit some nice runs in that game that kept the colts in check and it helped to freeze LB and safety and when that happens the holes in the secondary open up as there is a delay in coverage.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the basis for coaching a successful offense in football.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Saints 6th rated running offense regardless of how you want to spin it, it is what it is. Passing is important no one else said it wasn't yet you act as if the run game plays no part and you are dead wrong. NO was able to hit some nice runs in that game that kept the colts in check and it helped to freeze LB and safety and when that happens the holes in the secondary open up as there is a delay in coverage.

you're missing the point

it's that passing has more correlation to winning the playoffs and winning Super Bowls than running

not that you shouldn't try to run the ball, but if it's your focal point on offense, you aren't going to do as well as a passing team

 

[Doomsday101]

you're missing the point

it's that passing has more correlation to winning the playoffs and winning Super Bowls than running

not that you shouldn't try to run the ball, but if it's your focal point on offense, you aren't going to do as well as a passing team

Then TRO is not explaining his argument very well. I think passing is very critical but I also think having balance in your attack is very critical. When I say balance that does not mean 50/50 pass/run it could be 60/40 pass/run but the threat of the run is what allows things like play action to work if defense did not have to concern themselves with the run they would not bite as hard as they do to stop the run.

 

[T-RO]

The only recipe for a W is playing to your teams strengths and capitalizing on your opponents weaknesses.

You can start off a game with a 70/30 run/pass ratio and end up flipping that somewhere in the second half and be very successful or vise versa. Pass only or run only is one dimensional and the end result is turnovers...

If your strength isn't a good passing game and/or an exceptional pass defense you won't make it far.

 

[T-RO]

Then TRO is not explaining his argument very well. I think passing is very critical but I also think having balance in your attack is very critical. When I say balance that does not mean 50/50 pass/run it could be 60/40 pass/run but the threat of the run is what allows things like play action to work if defense did not have to concern themselves with the run they would not bite as hard as they do to stop the run.

In another post i articulated my view:
Between the twenties I like 65-35 pass/run
Inside the opponent's twenty I like 50-50 pass/run
Inside my own twenty I won't be afraid to pass but want more max protect

Play action has it's place. You always want subterfuge. Pass action runs are also very effective. Obviously if I'm a GM or coach I want to be strong in all facets but I contend that passing and stopping the pass should be the foundation of one's team nowadays.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Then TRO is not explaining his argument very well. I think passing is very critical but I also think having balance in your attack is very critical. When I say balance that does not mean 50/50 pass/run it could be 60/40 pass/run but the threat of the run is what allows things like play action to work if defense did not have to concern themselves with the run they would not bite as hard as they do to stop the run.

I believe that you go with what's working, ultimately.

I mean if you can't pass the ball effectively, then you should run the football, and go from there, and viceversa.

and if you can't do neither, well then, enjoy the draft

 

[Doomsday101]

I believe that you go with what's working, ultimately.

I mean if you can't pass the ball effectively, then you should run the football, and go from there, and viceversa.

and if you can't do neither, well then, enjoy the draft

I agree. The Jets seemed to do very well with running the ball and limited in their passing game. They put much of the pressure on their defense to keep the scoring down so that they did not get forced into all out passing game. What works well for one team with a certain group of players and what works for another team is different.

We have been playing under the same rules for the most part for many years now and teams like Tampa Bay and Baltimore found ways to win a ring without one of the top passing teams in the league.

 

[goshan]

Passing effectivenes is more of an an indicator of winning and offensive success than running effectivess. This point is undeniable based upon historical stats.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I am still waiting for the OP to post his list of offenders. We need to publish the list in a sticky and make fun of them all off-season long for being dinosaurs that aren't as smart as people that point out things are beyond obvious and then pat themselves on the back for it.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I am still waiting for the OP to post his list of offenders. We need to publish the list in a sticky and make fun of them all off-season long for being dinosaurs that aren't as smart as people that point out things that are beyond obvious and then pat themselves on the back for it.

Chocolate Lab is one of them

 

[Future]

Am I the only one who thinks that you can pass more than run, and still have the run be the focal point of the offense?