Pat Watkins is this years Rob Petitti?

[Bob Sacamano]

He was not metally prepared to play the game translates to he played well?

I think everyone is saying, I know at least I am, that at the end of the year, Watkins seemed to be improving, and w/ his physical skill-set, he has a chance to be something w/ more pro coaching, while you're prepared to look at his rookie year and cut your losses already, most of us aren't, giving up on talented players is ludicrous after only their rookie year, but whatever

 

[tomson75]

He was not metally prepared to play the game translates to he played well?

Dear lord you people will say just about anything. He wasnt just failing to make a play the few times he wa in position or getting toasted 1 on 1. he was also regularly missing reads.

and wow he has more 'talent' than Keith Davis..... thats saying alot.

I never said he played well did I FuzzyWuzzy.? I said he was a better player than Davis. I said his play improved. I said he has the potential to play FS in the NFL. I never said he played well. I said he played "decent football." I want improved play from that position as much as anyone. I happen to think he can do it...eventually. That being said, I'm a fan of signing Hamlin short term and letting Watkisn develop.

So, before you start spouting off all of your jibba jabba get your facts straight.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What is the answer? Seems like all three guys played up their draft status their respective rookie seasons. Gore and Witten had higher expectations based on being 3rd round picks. Witten really did little his rookie season. Many rookies don't shine, especially 5th rounders.

Gore and Witten made a huge leap in production from the rookie seasons to their 2nd years. Maybe Watkins can do the same.

I like how you took just the Atlanta game to judge Watkins the latter part of the year. There were other games that he played in as well. I am not proclaiming him a HOFer, but it was clear the guy was better later in the season than he was in the first. I will say it again, that it is still just a relative comparison.

how about both giants games or both philly games or how about you give mea three games with specific examples where he actually played well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

when have you ever ever heard Woody ever say anything negaive about any player.

he also pretty much discounted that Hamlin could be the FS that we're looking for in the same discussion, it was more than just a blanket and blind support for Watkins

and I'd take his opinion that Watkins has a chance to be something over your's any day of the week and 10 times on Sunday

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I never said he played well did I FuzzyWuzzy.? I said he was a better player than Davis. I said his play improved. I said he has the potential to play FS in the NFL. I never said he played well. I said he played "decent football." I want improved play from that position as much as anyone. I happen to think he can do it...eventually. That being said, I'm a fan of signing Hamlin short term and letting Watkisn develop.

So, before you start spouting off all of your jibba jabba get your facts straight.

the atlanta game was his orst game of the year. we were regulalrly getting toasted on long balls by MICHAEL FRIGGIN VICK. How on earth can you say he 'improved.'

You guys are like politicians trying to sell Watkins and your buzzzwords dont fool me.

 

[Clove]

BS. he was benched because he played like he didnt deserve to play in this league. He was benched because he sucked not because he was a 5th rounder.

Why wasn't Flo benched? Why wasn't Bradie James Benched? Why wasn't Roy Williams and Anthony Henry benched? What did Fasano do to deserve his stay on the field? Your argument to me won't fly buddy.

 

[tomson75]

theres not just one. hers an idea since I and several others have detailed about 10 plays that were just horrible how aobut you guys anme all these great plays he has made. I certainly hear a bunch of general stuff but NEVER any specifics.

i know two of his picks were not his doing. one was ayodele tipping it that he wa lucky to go his way as he was about 10 feet from the play and the other Roy just ran into the reciever in the end zone. So really where are all these plays he made?

He was in the right spot to make the int wasn't he. I suppose every time that happens around the league it should be a credit to the player unless it fits your agenda.

The fact is, for a rookie to play of the more demanding starting roles on defense is hard enough. Expecting him to do it without mistakes is a fools errand. Who's the fool here?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He was in the right spot to make the int wasn't he. I suppose every time that happens around the league it should be a credit to the player unless it fits your agenda.

The fact is, for a rookie to play of the more demanding starting roles on defense is hard enough. Expecting him to do it without mistakes is a fools errand. Who's the fool here?

actually the right spot would have been next to a receiver. he wasnt when he causth that int. he was ten yards away from the play trying to figure out where to go again.

Oh and BTW its sad you guys cannot name specific plays he played well. we named about 10 he didnt.

10 bad plays 0 good plays

 

[joseephuss]

how about both giants games or both philly games or how about you give mea three games with specific examples where he actually played well.

He played well against the Cardinals. That is one game where I can definitely say he played well. The rest like I said earlier are relative comparisons. His play got better. He played poorly in the first games against the Giants and Eagles. He didn't play poorly in the second matchups. That was an improvement.

Do you think he played worse as the season went on? Do you think Davis played better? Do you think Dallas just signs Hamlin and they have no other concerns with depth? Watkins showed enough his rookie year to keep around. He just may improve greatly going into his second year.

 

[Clove]

To me, Watkins showed as much as Carpenter showed, and I'm sure Fuzzy doesn't want to unseat him. Just tell us you don't like Watkins for some personal reason, and you will be respected.

These pitiful arguements are childish and attention driven.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why wasn't Flo benched? Why wasn't Bradie James Benched? Why wasn't Roy Williams and Anthony Henry benched? What did Fasano do to deserve his stay on the field? Your argument to me won't fly buddy.

because flo played better than mcquistan and james played better than fowler. henry played better than reeves and willimas played better thana a ham sandwich.

watkins did not play better than keith davis who was his backup and got benched.

 

[tomson75]

actually the right spot would have been next to a receiver. he wasnt when he causth that int. he was ten yards away from the play trying to figure out where to go again.

Ever hear of Zone defense? You know for a fact he wasn't where he was supposed to be?

Nevermind. Yes, you're right. I admit it now. Watkins was never in the right spot. He never made any plays. He should be shot. Carry on.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

To me, Watkins showed as much as Carpenter showed, and I'm sure Fuzzy doesn't want to unseat him. Just tell us you don't like Watkins for some personal reason, and you will be respected.

These pitiful arguements are childish and attention driven.

oh yeah me giving specific examples of bad play is a childish reason to not want a player to start.

your as bad as theo. just throw stuff out there and see what sticks.

and again i am looking for examples of good play and i still havent gotten just one.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Ever hear of Zone defense? You know for a fact he wasn't where he was supposed to be?

Nevermind. Yes, you're right. I admit it now. Watkins was never in the right spot. He never made any plays. He should be shot. Carry on.

and i get the maturity samck directed my way?

if hes so good then why can you guys not anem and good plays he made?

 

[tomson75]

Oh and BTW its sad you guys cannot name specific plays he played well. we named about 10 he didnt.

10 bad plays 0 good plays

How about you just go pick out any ten plays that resulted in an incomplete pass for the opponent because their receivers were covered? Why is it there has to be something of a grand scale to constitute a good play? calling the right coverage and executing it works for me. Add on a few int's here and there, and you've got what most rational people would regard as "good plays."

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

How about you just go pick out any ten plays that resulted in an incomplete pass for the opponent because their receivers were covered? Why is it there has to be something of a grand scale to constitute a good play? calling the right coverage and executing it works for me. Add on a few int's here and there, and you've got what most rational people would regard as "good plays."

blah blah blah. I dont have to do the legwork to prove your point. you do.

i have given specific examples of how he failed to make the right read.

wow thats right still zero examples of good plays from the Watkins Fan Club. Thank god we have a real starter now.

 

[tomson75]

and i get the maturity samck directed my way?

if hes so good then why can you guys not anem and good plays he made?

Where are you getting this "he's so good" crap. I never said that. I clearly stated I want improved play from the FS position.

...and looky there, hopefully we got it in Hamlin. End of discussion.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Where are you getting this "he's so good" crap. I never said that. I clearly stated I want improved play from the FS position.

...and looky there, hopefully we got it in Hamlin. End of discussion.

okay how about specific examples of him really doing anything to merit being on the field?

 

[jswalker1981]

Why is it that people just want players to fail. Oh my, Watkins didn't set the world on fire his rookie year, yep, better cut him! I hope wherever some of you work at, the first time you fail, you get fired. Watkins was the starting FS at Florida State which has always had a top defense every year. So it isn't like Watkins came out of some Div II school. I'm glad we signed Hamlin, it will give Watkins competition, and if Watkins can't beat him out, then he just learns from the sideline. Let's root for the entire team, not just the pro-bowlers. Oh, and you CAN have non-pro bowlers as starters. And if you think that we need to have a pro bowl free safety to win a super bowl, then you need to check around the NFL.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why is it that people just want players to fail. Oh my, Watkins didn't set the world on fire his rookie year, yep, better cut him! I hope wherever some of you work at, the first time you fail, you get fired. Watkins was the starting FS at Florida State which has always had a top defense every year. So it isn't like Watkins came out of some Div II school. I'm glad we signed Hamlin, it will give Watkins competition, and if Watkins can't beat him out, then he just learns from the sideline. Let's root for the entire team, not just the pro-bowlers. Oh, and you CAN have non-pro bowlers as starters. And if you think that we need to have a pro bowl free safety to win a super bowl, then you need to check around the NFL.

I dont want fim to fail, i simply realized that he DID fail last year.

Past performance is the best predictor of future success is something I live by.

I expect an improvement over last year from Watkins but there is a huge gap between his play last year and quality starter.