Pat Watkins is this years Rob Petitti?

[jswalker1981]

blah blah blah. I dont have to do the legwork to prove your point. you do.

i have given specific examples of how he failed to make the right read.

wow thats right still zero examples of good plays from the Watkins Fan Club. Thank god we have a real starter now.

He did have three interceptions last year, two behind Roy Williams who was in the pro bowl. And here is ESPN's scouting report on Watkins from 2006:

2006 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.

Comment:
Has ideal instincts, range and ball skills as a centerfielder-type FS. He is tall with decent bulk and the frame to get bigger. Possesses very good speed for the position. He is a smooth athlete for a taller DB. Has adequate hip fluidity and COD skills. He is a long-strider that shows closing burst when the ball is in the air. Has good leaping ability, long arms and times his jumps well. He has big hands and excellent ball skills. He defends the jump ball very well and does a great job of adjusting to the ball in the air. He has added a good amount of weight and has gotten noticeably stronger over the course of the last two years. He isn't a big-hitter or overly aggressive player, but he is willing. He wraps up in space and shows good body control as an open-field tackler. He has a real nose for the ball. Has a knack for forcing and recovering fumbles. He's a hard worker who should continue to improve with experience and time in the weight-room. ,Has ideal instincts, range and ball skills as a centerfielder-type FS. He is tall with decent bulk and the frame to get bigger. Possesses very good speed for the position. He is a smooth athlete for a taller DB. Has adequate hip fluidity and COD skills. He is a long-strider that shows closing burst when the ball is in the air. Has good leaping ability, long arms and times his jumps well. He has big hands and excellent ball skills. He defends the jump ball very well and does a great job of adjusting to the ball in the air. He has added a good amount of weight and has gotten noticeably stronger over the course of the last two years. He isn't a big-hitter or overly aggressive player, but he is willing. He wraps up in space and shows good body control as an open-field tackler. He has a real nose for the ball. Has a knack for forcing and recovering fumbles. He's a hard worker who should continue to improve with experience and time in the weight-room.

Now, I'm not saying that Watkins is going to be a great player, but I'm willing to NOT roast the guy after one season under which the entire defense pretty much went vanilla for most of the season. I want to see the players on our team to succeed, call me crazy, but I'm willing to be a little bit more patient with a fifth round draft pick. It isn't like we sold the farm to get him. Be happy we got Hamlin, and hope that Watkins improves.

 

[joseephuss]

Three interceptions, two in the final three games of they year. One in that Atlanta game. A nice forced fumble when tackling Brian Westbrook in the first Philly game, his second of the year. Three games with 5 tackles, including the second Philly game. One fumble recovery for 53 yards against Tennesee. Seven passes defended. Obviously he did absolutely nothing last season.

Take into account that Keith Davis has 0 INTs, 3 Passes defended, 2 forced fumbles and 1 fumble recovery in 5 years(4 seasons played) for Dallas. Yes, I know Davis sucks, but that is why I keep saying relative. There is promise. He may not get better and he may, but he has shown some decent things to keep around.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He did have three interceptions last year, two behind Roy Williams who was in the pro bowl. And here is ESPN's scouting report on Watkins from 2006:

2006 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.

Comment:
Has ideal instincts, range and ball skills as a centerfielder-type FS. He is tall with decent bulk and the frame to get bigger. Possesses very good speed for the position. He is a smooth athlete for a taller DB. Has adequate hip fluidity and COD skills. He is a long-strider that shows closing burst when the ball is in the air. Has good leaping ability, long arms and times his jumps well. He has big hands and excellent ball skills. He defends the jump ball very well and does a great job of adjusting to the ball in the air. He has added a good amount of weight and has gotten noticeably stronger over the course of the last two years. He isn't a big-hitter or overly aggressive player, but he is willing. He wraps up in space and shows good body control as an open-field tackler. He has a real nose for the ball. Has a knack for forcing and recovering fumbles. He's a hard worker who should continue to improve with experience and time in the weight-room. ,Has ideal instincts, range and ball skills as a centerfielder-type FS. He is tall with decent bulk and the frame to get bigger. Possesses very good speed for the position. He is a smooth athlete for a taller DB. Has adequate hip fluidity and COD skills. He is a long-strider that shows closing burst when the ball is in the air. Has good leaping ability, long arms and times his jumps well. He has big hands and excellent ball skills. He defends the jump ball very well and does a great job of adjusting to the ball in the air. He has added a good amount of weight and has gotten noticeably stronger over the course of the last two years. He isn't a big-hitter or overly aggressive player, but he is willing. He wraps up in space and shows good body control as an open-field tackler. He has a real nose for the ball. Has a knack for forcing and recovering fumbles. He's a hard worker who should continue to improve with experience and time in the weight-room.

Now, I'm not saying that Watkins is going to be a great player, but I'm willing to NOT roast the guy after one season under which the entire defense pretty much went vanilla for most of the season. I want to see the players on our team to succeed, call me crazy, but I'm willing to be a little bit more patient with a fifth round draft pick. It isn't like we sold the farm to get him. Be happy we got Hamlin, and hope that Watkins improves.

I know that on two of those plays Watkins benefited from Ayodele or Roys invovement and would have done nothing without it.

I want an example where Watkins was the catalyst. Everyone says he was okay so that means he mustve done soething on his own right?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Watkins had his hand on 7 balls last year, 3 INTs, 4 deflections

 

[skinsscalper]

when have you ever ever heard Woody ever say anything negaive about any player. hes a constructive leader and those reasonable posters are about 6 or 7 of you that have been spewing these misrepresentations for months. i have argued this for weeks now and its the same 7 of you every single time.

and again appealing to popularity is a gross fallacy. just becuase a belief is popular does not make it true.

First of all, Woody said himself that Watkins was more suited to playthe position than Hamlin. That's hardly paying lip service to the "positive reinforcement" angles on other players. He said that Hamlin was more of an in the box type of S (like Williams) and doesn't bring them any closer to solving the safety problems (alluding to the fact that they, indeed took a step backwards by not developing Watkins, a player more suited to the positional needs).

Past performance is the best predictor of future success is something I live by.

Good thing you're not the GM of ........well.......anything. Otherwise a guy like Aikman (in his stellar rookie year) would have never seen the field.

SS

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Past performance is the best predictor of future success is something I live by.

that works when you're talking about a few years, not a rookie season

 

[joseephuss]

that works when you're talking about a few years, not a rookie season

Aikman sucks. He got beat out at OU, so he had to transfer to UCLA. He really sucked his rookie season throwing 18 interceptions and only 9 TDs. He threw 18 interceptions again his 2nd year, but managed to throw 11 TDs. But that is misleading because he had more attempts, so he actually was worse at throwing TDs. He won't ever be good. Cut him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Three interceptions, two in the final three games of they year. One in that Atlanta game. A nice forced fumble when tackling Brian Westbrook in the first Philly game, his second of the year. Three games with 5 tackles, including the second Philly game. One fumble recovery for 53 yards against Tennesee. Seven passes defended. Obviously he did absolutely nothing last season.

Take into account that Keith Davis has 0 INTs, 3 Passes defended, 2 forced fumbles and 1 fumble recovery in 5 years(4 seasons played) for Dallas. Yes, I know Davis sucks, but that is why I keep saying relative. There is promise. He may not get better and he may, but he has shown some decent things to keep around.

And like i said one was when he was out of position and it was tipped to him and the other where roy ran over the receiver. those were the two in the last two games. Most of the rest are more generealizations

Now the forced fumble is interesting

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Aikman sucks. He got beat out at OU, so he had to transfer to UCLA. He really sucked his rookie season throwing 18 interceptions and only 9 TDs. He threw 18 interceptions again his 2nd year, but managed to throw 11 TDs. But that is misleading because he had more attempts, so he actually was worse at throwing TDs. He won't ever be good. Cut him.

Rob Pettiti sucks. He was drafted in the 6th round and played absolutely horrible his rookie year. He lost his starting job and was cut in training camp and was inactive all last season.

 

[skinsscalper]

Aikman sucks. He got beat out at OU, so he had to transfer to UCLA. He really sucked his rookie season throwing 18 interceptions and only 9 TDs. He threw 18 interceptions again his 2nd year, but managed to throw 11 TDs. But that is misleading because he had more attempts, so he actually was worse at throwing TDs. He won't ever be good. Cut him.

Yep. Throw him in the Watkins heap!

SS

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

that works when you're talking about a few years, not a rookie season

youre right you include a modest increase in performance. Not the quantum leap needed by Watkins.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

First of all, Woody said himself that Watkins was more suited to playthe position than Hamlin. That's hardly paying lip service to the "positive reinforcement" angles on other players. He said that Hamlin was more of an in the box type of S (like Williams) and doesn't bring them any closer to solving the safety problems (alluding to the fact that they, indeed took a step backwards by not developing Watkins, a player more suited to the positional needs).




Good thing you're not the GM of ........well.......anything. Otherwise a guy like Aikman (in his stellar rookie year) would have never seen the field.

SS

Woodson also said that Williams was good in coverage. Heres a hint i wouldnt care if everyone else in the world said watkins was allpro. i form MY OWN OPINION.

And youre comparing the first selection in the draft to pat watkins. that argument is so weak i dont know where to begin. that and the QB learning curve versus a safety. its apples and oranges at best.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

youre right you include a modest increase in performance. Not the quantum leap needed by Watkins.

:jerk:

 

[ddh33]

Once again, another Cowboys discussion has famously become an either/or. Why can't these things ever be both? Why the need to come to absolute conclusions today?

Seems to me that someone thought that Ken Hamlin would be a nice addition to this team. I happen to agree with that very idea.

But I don't recall anyone ever saying that Watkins was done in this league. I thought Watkins showed glimpses last year of being a solid safety. He also struggled. It's to be expected from a rookie...

I think there is a chance that Watkins becomes even better in his second year and helps solidify the secondary. But what if he doesn't? This signing takes away that possibility and gives Dallas more options. For that reason alone, this is a good signing.

But by all means, let's use this as an opportunity to bash a player that most fans clearly haven't seen, or use this as a chance to say "I told you so".

Now back to the regularly scheduled bickering...

 

[burmafrd]

Going into his senior year, many guides thought that IF he continued to improve he would be a 2nd rd pick. He put on the weight and did not improve so he fell to the 6th rd. BP gave him a shot but as it turned out is appears that Petitti just did not have the foot speed/quickness to play tackle. I would not be suprised to see Payton try him inside at guard.

 

[skinsscalper]

youre right you include a modest increase in performance. Not the quantum leap needed by Watkins.

Woodson also said that Williams was good in coverage. Heres a hint i wouldnt care if everyone else in the world said watkins was allpro. i form MY OWN OPINION.

And youre comparing the first selection in the draft to pat watkins. that argument is so weak i dont know where to begin. that and the QB learning curve versus a safety. its apples and oranges at best.

Form your own opinions all you wish. Just don't cry when they are marked for what they are: Inferior to a guy's who actually knows what he's talking about.

And, yes I'm speaking of a #1 OVERALL selection that had, comparably, a worse rookie season than Watkins (who was selected in the 5th round). The learning curve for FS in the NFL is no cakewalk. They are called the QB of the defense for a reason.

SS

 

[5Stars]

i form MY OWN OPINION.

There you go ladies and gentleman! Anything else is wrong, right, Fuzzy!

Give em hell, Fuzzy...don't let them brow beat you out of YOUR OWN OPINION! "Argue" them all day long...in the end...YOUR OWN OPINION is what is the most important, and what is right, ******!

Get after em, Fuzzy...you got them all backed into a corner now! Deliver the knock out punch, big guy!

 

[ZeroClub]

Watkins is not another Petitti.

Hamlin is likely another Fabini.

 

[5Stars]

Watkins is not another Petitti.

Hamlin is likely another Fabini.

Are you a poet?

 

[Clove]

oh yeah me giving specific examples of bad play is a childish reason to not want a player to start.

your as bad as theo. just throw stuff out there and see what sticks.

and again i am looking for examples of good play and i still havent gotten just one.

If you have a problem with Watkins play, then you should bench Roy Williams. Replace him please, he gave up more touch downs then Watkins and Davis combined. I'm glad you're getting all the attention you deserve, maybe that'll make you fell better.

I'm done arguing with a child.