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[Zaxor]

I would see what you were saying if you were actually making points instead of playing with fonts and making smiley faces blink.

Your point is what exactly? We have been through all of these arguments before and its not about FAULT. Bledsoe is clearly limited. No one has ever denied or argued that.

Oh yes they have...but that is neither here or there...we agree Bledsoe is limited

He is limited to being a pocket passer with a stubborn need for plays to work. He is a lot like Troy Aikman in that regard. He expects plays to be executed properly. He doesn't freelance

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Do you think Bill Parcell knows this? and if so... than he clearly got the wrong QB for this team and therefore set it back...and lots of us were saying that long before Bledsoe signed... but either way Bledsoe is a big problem for this team

Is he a major problem on this team? NO. He is no where the top of the problem child list.

he certainly is...again see above...Bill knew this team..he has had 3 years to improve this o-line so I take it for granted it is improved

Last or second to last? ROFL. You mean 3rd or 4th? OK. Like last year where they ended up 1 game from the playoffs?

I do not have any idea how many games they were out each year but what should that matter he could not get it done just like last year against scrubs

I hear all this chirping and crying but no real solution. We do not have Tom Brady to insert at QB.

we gave solutions at the end of last season... play the young ones see if you have something or whether they need to seriously consider drafting a QB...make a trade for a QB... etc...

Blaming Bledsoe here is alot like blaming Witten for his drop in production. Both were borderline Pro Bowl type players who had their performance and stats altered by the OL situation

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We all already told you it was only a matter of time before he would fall apart...it is not new...once teams figured out what Bill was trying to do to cover up Bledsoe's defeciencies it was over

The answer is painfully simple. We need better OL performance just as we knew we would when we signed Bledsoe. Is that his fault??

LOL with Bledsoe it is always the o-line isn't it

It really does amus eme that we have gotten a borderline Pro Bowl performance at QB for a low price contract and we hear nothing but whining.

It was only a matter of time... see above

 

[Yakuza Rich]

His Oline's always sucks till he leaves

That's not true in case of the Bills.

According to the footballoutsiders.com Web site here's the following info:

Buffalo Adjusted Sack Ratio with Bledsoe in 2004 (22nd)

Buffalo Adjusted Sack Ratio without Bledsoe in 2005 (28th)

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php

Essentially, you're way off. The O-Line at Buffalo has gotten worse since Drew has left.

Rich.............

 

[kartr]

Me thinks Pat fan is forgetting what it was like at Foxboro 1988-1992

Bills fans are learning now.....

Get Drew a real line and a run game (see Martin) and he went to SB. He showcased his talent this year and in many regards our lack of run game and pass protection has hurt us / him.

Bledsoe had the same line in New England that Brady did. Brady's line this year is not as good as their superbowl years and he's still getting it done. Bledsoe excuses bore me. Hey, Vinny started off real well last year with Julius injured the first half of the season and he had a bad defense the whole year and still won almost as many games as Bledsoe has now. Carter with just 15 starts under his belt and a slug like Hambrick and inconsistent receivers and a line that could run block,but not pass block got us to 10 games with room to spare. Drew has no excuse but himself for being a human turnover just like Hutch, yeah let's start calling him 'Drutch'.

 

[Zaxor]

That's not true in case of the Bills.

According to the footballoutsiders.com Web site here's the following info:

Buffalo Adjusted Sack Ratio with Bledsoe in 2004 (22nd)

Buffalo Adjusted Sack Ratio without Bledsoe in 2005 (28th)

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol.php

Essentially, you're way off. The O-Line at Buffalo has gotten worse since Drew has left.

Rich.............

I just gave you the stats for Holcomb who had 12 sacks in 8 games...

you are taking Losman's stats into consideration which is something like 24 I think...

Losman is as good as in his rookie year...so I think it would be unfair to take his numbers into consideration...but Holcomb is a vet though just a journeyman and he still projected over 16 games would have 13-14 sacks less than Bledsoe

 

[kartr]

It cracks me up to hear our fans talking about..."well if the offensive line would block for Bledsoe" or "Tom Brady, Carson Palmer and Peyton Manning could not do well behind this O-line"

Listen folks that is crap...crap, crap, crap

you had about 50 of us telling you that the o-line was gonna suck now...well before the season began....hmmmmmmmmmm

How could we all possibly have known that you ask ? Are we physic?

No silly... it is always the same with Bledsoe...ALWAYS

you can take the team with the best o-line in the game right now stick Bledsoe behind it and they become very average or even poor over night...now you take what Dallas has an average O-line at best and stick Bledsoe behind it and you have no chance none...

Bledsoe can throw the ball...no one that I know of has ever doubted that.. the man simply has a million dollar arm but the rest isn't worth 10 cents...

think about it... and also remember old Dave Campo was pulling people off the street one year and the o-line didn't look this bad...


so please give those o-lineman some love they really are doing there best but Bledsoe makes what would be a hard job under normal circumstances as near impossible as it can get

Well said my friend, Drew is not fit to wear the star. Seeing him in a Cowboy's uni makes me want to puke cause he's a total waste of time cause he's setting this team back years. We should bring in McNair after he's released for cap room and draft a qb for him to mentor in 2006. No young qb's including our garbage backup qb's can learn anything from him except to make excuses as to why he's holding the ball too long and fumbling.

 

[kartr]

Not relevant. Bledsoe has a LONG history of doing exactly what the original post said. It has nothing to do with Tucker and Petitti.

At some point, the QB has to hold some responsibility. In years past, Bledsoe has fallen when asked to step up.

The original post is spot on.

Right on target Sarge cause we all know that the Pats are struggling with injuires on both sides of the ball and Brady's still getting it done and he doesn't have first round receivers like Manning and he's got an aging and injury prone Dillon in the backfield along with Kevin Faulk.

 

[kartr]

Zaxor my friend.......The OL you mention under Campo.....was by far the biggest joke of an OL this team has ever had to endure and yes even worse than the 05 line. Remember the last game in Washington....all the O'lay blocks...poor Hutch ducking for his life on every play............that was a total embarrassment. : : : : :

Agree this years OL leaves alot to be desired but the Campo OL was by far the most disgusting.

Lets not get carried away now, the 2002 passing offense was 18th in the NFL before they benched Carter. That was the turning point in that season going belly up. You see, guys who have been playing football for 4-5 years straight know when some deer in the headlights fake wannabe like Hutch comes along, he'll be easy meat. Hutch was relearning football and trying to do that in a regular season game is near impossible. The whole Hutch episode is what set this team back;he never should have been brought here to begin with;they just needed to get a veteran backup for Carter and give him a full year or two to develop.

 

[kartr]

Gee.... the guy gets no protection what so ever and now we have pats fans trying to say "See why we did what we did" yadda yadda yadda....

Where was you when Drew was putting up good numbers when he was being protected? When we didn't have to max protect most of the time. Kind of hard to manage a game when all your options our on the line blocking.

I am not saying that Drew is better than Brady. But I would like to see How Brady could manage this team with an o-line like ours and most of his options are on the line blocking. I guess fans like you don't see that, you only see the final results of the score on ESPN.

We all knew what kind of QB Bledsoe was when he was signed. But really we didn't have to many options to work with. In the first of the season, I seen flashes of when Drew could pick apart an defense when given the time. So I know he can be effective when he has the time.

But I don't think any QB would manage very well in the situation we have here in Dallas.

Drew only puts up good numbers against bad defenses, which by the way, you don't see much of in the playoffs. Most of his good games came against teams that are in the bottom 10 in pass defense.

 

[kartr]

You and I disagree completely on what is wrong with our offense. If what you are saying was ANYWHERE near correct, we would have some semblance of a running game. And we don't.

I am not defending Bledsoe, but our O-Line is a shambles right now. And trying to lay that at the feet of Bledsoe is wrong. I hope the Cowboys see it differently than you do. Your approach would lead us to having a David Carr/Texans situation, with a QB running for his life.

Got news for you, they're saying in Houston that Carr holds the ball too long too. It just takes him too long recognize when a receiver is open or not then check down to his alternates, but I admit, he is good-looking and looks good in a uniform,but like they say,'looks are deceiving', just like Hutch. I mean Hutch looks in a uniform,he's no 'pretty man' like Carr is. I hope the Texans never let Carr go,personally.

 

[Alexander]

Lets not get carried away now, the 2002 passing offense was 18th in the NFL before they benched Carter. That was the turning point in that season going belly up. You see, guys who have been playing football for 4-5 years straight know when some deer in the headlights fake wannabe like Hutch comes along, he'll be easy meat. Hutch was relearning football and trying to do that in a regular season game is near impossible. The whole Hutch episode is what set this team back;he never should have been brought here to begin with;they just needed to get a veteran backup for Carter and give him a full year or two to develop.

Carter, Carter, Carter.

 

[superpunk]

Carter, Carter, Carter.

For some people on here, everything always seems to come back to the blow addict who couldn't get a job in the league after his release from the Cowboys.


Go figure.

 

[kartr]

Guess what, they gave up a lot of sacks before Drew was here. The Bills have given up a lot of sacks since Drew has left.



28 versus SD. 34 versus SF this year.



Beat a T.O & McNabb team early on in the year. Also beat Philly on the road. Beat the NYG early in the year. SD first game of the season....on the road. Kansas City when they are fighting to make the playoffs.



Yes, because injuries to the O-Line and the subsequent dropoff in quality of O-Line play has nothing to do with it. None.



Rich.........

You forgot that SD and SF have two of the worst secondaries this year and that Philly this year is a shell of what they were the last few years,plus our road win over them was an early Christmas gift, remember trailing 20-7 with 4 minutes to go and all they had to do was run the clock out. The Chiefs have a joke of defense, anybody can move the ball on them and Bledsoe was key in us getting behind both the Chiefs and Eagles.

 

[Alexander]

Bledsoe was key in us getting behind both the Chiefs and Eagles.

How exactly did Bledsoe get us behind the Chiefs again?

This ought to be good.

 

[Rack]

As a 30 year season ticket holder for the Pats, I can tell you most honestly that I was sold on Parcells and Drew in the first year. But you know, see them come, see them go.

My favorite Pats QB was Grogan. You are probably saying WHO. Well, the guy was great. He didn't have an ounce of talent around him. But oh, was he a great QB. Right up there with Marino, Elway, and Kelly during his time. Never got the credit.

And then years and years of nothing. Parcells came in and turned the team around but it got sour. He is set in his ways. I think and am sure, if when Bledsoe went down and Brady came in --- and then Bledsoe got better, he would have played the vet. Brady would have never played.

I give Belichick credit, he said --hum, maybe this Brady kid has something and Bledsoe was off to Buffalo. Parcells likes the old vets. But sometimes you have to open your eyes and look a little.

I'm sure this has already been mentioned in this thead, but...


You remember who made it where Grogan had to wear that neck brace, right?


I liked Grogan too, but man did he look goofy wearing that neck brace.

 

[kartr]

I was... relieved when Carter was released... I had felt a burden was lifted off the team... but instead of moving forward at the position we just spin our wheels (grrrr):grrr:... I had thought Bill was gonna get rid of the deadbeats but instead he coddles them...thats insane:insane:...I have been watching the Cowboys since 1968-69 and can not remember a more strange 3 year span for the life of me... For an example look at the o-line lineup when he got here and look at the o-line now... say what you want but it seems we are rudderless and adrift... I have no idea what Bill's plan is :geek: but I do know that he does not tell "THE" truth but maybe a form of "a" truth :liarliar:... now I realize we have to crawl :crawl: before we can run :a-team: but it seems we are just dancing :fogeys: around the problems...

Jerry has been willing to spend :jackpotn whatever Bill has asked for but for some reason the majority of the players aren't very good :blech: (i.e. Wiley, Ward, etc...)

Maybe Bill has grown too old :geezer: or maybe he just wants us to kiss his *** :moon: but whatever it is it isn't working

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Wow can you tell I just got finished watching a docu. on ancient egypt

Now you see we have regressed in the ability to win games without Carter's improvizational skills. He wasn't as pretty throwing the ball, but he could bring us from behind against good Carolina and Eagles teams with a lesser supporting cast. Bledsoe only brings us back against scrubs and loses to scrub teams like the Raiders and struggles with Detroit and SF.

 

[kartr]

Then fine if Bledsoe needs to get rid of the ball quicker, then get him some receivers that will get open alot quicker. The Ones we have now aren't very good at it. Another reason why the coach needs to bring in players to fit his QB. If he can't figure that out then he has no business bringing him in, or should just retire because the game has passed him by.

How about bringing in a qb who can make his teammates better instead of one who needs to be over-protected. Brady won with the same team that Bledsoe couldn't get to the playoffs. He won with Antoine Smith and David Patten and David Givens who was a 7th round converted running back.

 

[RCowboyFan]

Now you see we have regressed in the ability to win games without Carter's improvizational skills. He wasn't as pretty throwing the ball, but he could bring us from behind against good Carolina and Eagles teams with a lesser supporting cast. Bledsoe only brings us back against scrubs and loses to scrub teams like the Raiders and struggles with Detroit and SF.

I will take Bledsoe any time over Carter as much I don't like Bledsoe on the field, twice on Sundays, even if Carter ever got his nose out of that white Powder!! At least Bledsoe is not a head case!!

 

[superpunk]

Now you see we have regressed in the ability to win games without Carter's improvizational skills. He wasn't as pretty throwing the ball, but he could bring us from behind against good Carolina and Eagles teams with a lesser supporting cast. Bledsoe only brings us back against scrubs and loses to scrub teams like the Raiders and struggles with Detroit and SF.

This is 2005 calling. I would like to inform you that the great Q no longer has a job in this league. But, maybe we should bring him, Hambrick, and Willie Blade back, since it's obvious the rest of the league just isn't aware of their greatness.

What BP did in 2003, was a miracle, aided by a cream-puff schedule. Stop living in the past. With that team, THIS year, we'd be 4-10 right now.

 

[kojak]

Drew only puts up good numbers against bad defenses, which by the way, you don't see much of in the playoffs. Most of his good games came against teams that are in the bottom 10 in pass defense.

If you say so. But as I stated before, I haven't followed his whole career and I don't really care what's happened in the past. It's irrevelant to me at this point.

I am only calling what i have seen this year while he has been a Cowboy. Not a patriot, and not a Buffalo Bill. And so far from what I have seen, the team has no running game, medicore o-line, and a bunch of #2's recievers.

Not your idea enviroment for a pocket passer QB. I just want to see what he can do with a good o-line, and a good running game before I form an opinion on the guy.

 

[kartr]

The humor in this take and the point being made originally is that folks are intelligent football minds yet ignore the painfully obvious.

Drew Bledsoe was asked to carry that Buffalo team with Travis Henry at RB.
Quincy Carter here and Kelly Holcomb there were asked to come along for the ride but not make mistakes. It isn't even close as to which guy NFL teams would prefer.

The arguments with Carter like the arguments now are about who is the best player for the job. Carter was the best QB on the roster here after his rookie season. Bledsoe is the best QB on the roster now by a mile. Both were imperfect and Carter clearly blew his roster spot but when and if a guy is on the roster they have to be judged according to that.

A Pats fan started this thread and yes we would all be quite glad to have Tom Brady. Congratz. You got lucky. Just blind luck tho was all it was. Brady was never drafted to be a competitor against Bledsoe for the job or pushed into a competition at all.

Drew Bledsoe has very seldomly been outplayed this season. And he has been soundly outplayed 1 time.

Carter's best got us to the playoffs, but Bledsoe's best wont. Carter had 4 times less experience then than Bledsoe has now. Carter had a 1/3 less talent around him then than Bledsoe has now, so that means that Carter did more with less and that's why we made the playoffs,while Bledsoe does less with more and that's why he was replaced by his last two teams and if we're smart, we'll do the same and bring in Steve McNair after he's released for cap reasons. Again, Bledsoe only puts up good numbers against 'weak' defenses and you don't find them in the playoffs too often.