Pavel Kubina

[Future]

The Flyers haven't had injuries? Name the player, he's been out for some stretch of games. Including the captain for the season.

The Flyers have given up over 180 goals this year and they're what, 8 points behind the Rangers?

You put a top flight goaltender on a team that leads the league in goals and yeah, they're the division leaders easily.

Just look at tonight's game. 5-4 overtime win. The Flyers outshoot them 55-26. Granted that might be the extreme but it's a pretty routine thing to see them lose games with a big advantage in shots and chances.

I know the Flyers have had injuries, the point was to show how good the Rangers D has been without two of their preseason top 3 defensemen, not necessarily to compare them to the Flyers.

However, knowing that you are at least partly a Philly fan explains your spritely demeanor :laugh2:

 

[RoyTheHammer]

If what you say is true we'd be getting out shot every game.

Look at last night's game. 4 goals against. Looks like another bad defensive performance. But on 26 shots with OT. The goaltender gave us another .850 save percentage effort.

I remember when we made that signing one of the hockey guys on ESPN called Bryz one of the most overrated players in the league. I can only agree with that after watching him this year. He clearly can't handle the spotlight in Philadelphia. Some of his comments in the media have been alarming.

Its got nothing to do with shots against. We block alot of shots, but we don't ever collapse around the goalie, which is what we need to start doing because again, if you watch every game, there are ALWAYS guys on the doorstep unchecked. Any rebounds given up im always on the edge of my seat because i know there will be a guy there from the other team ready to pounce. If you look at alot of the goals given up by Bob in his recent games, alot of them are guys getting wide open within 5 feet of him and jamming home a slam dunk.

Bryz has given up some bad goals.. but them all along paying 51 million over 9 years for any goaltender is stupid. This is why Ed Snider should shut his mouth and let Homer run the team. Homer's worst move was signing another aging player to a huge long contract in Pronger. I'd rather have Sbisa back right now.

As for Bryz comments.. the media is going to make him the next Mike Richards, blame all the teams' problems on him and make him the next scapegoat. Richards was always one of our best players here and gave a great effort night in and night out. Im happy the trade is starting to look better with Simmonds playing well and Schenn finally starting to show a little something, but i'd still rather have Richie back.

As for Carter.. oh, we totally owned them on that trade, hahah. He's a POS. He could score 50 goals a year with his talent if he gave a good effort every night, he just never cared.. and i never cared to see him on the ice. Waste of space. Good riddance.

 

[Risen Star]

Sorry. I don't see the Flyers team defense being the main weakness. It can be better, but it's not why they won't win it this year.

We have two pieces of crap in net. It is about shots against. The more you get, the more you'll score, on average. The top teams in goals scored will be the same teams at the top of shots for.

When you routinely give up 25-30 shots and allow 3-4 goals a game, you have a problem. You can't compete for a cup that way. We're currently 24th of the 30 teams in total shots allowed. Meaning we've given up the 7th least in the league. The Rangers, and their stellar defense (which I do admit is excellent) have given up the 8th least.

We've got two goaltenders struggling to maintain a .900 save percentage. Bob's at .900, Bryz is at .898 . Neither are in the top 40 in the league. That's pathetic.

The media has nothing to do with Bryz. The guy is just one of those players who doesn't have the heart to play in the big city. This is a train wreck signing that can only end badly. Maybe Bob can still develop. Bryz is a lost cause. He needs to be shipped back to a town that doesn't care.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Sorry. I don't see the Flyers team defense being the main weakness. It can be better, but it's not why they won't win it this year.

We have two pieces of crap in net. It is about shots against. The more you get, the more you'll score, on average. The top teams in goals scored will be the same teams at the top of shots for.

When you routinely give up 25-30 shots and allow 3-4 goals a game, you have a problem. You can't compete for a cup that way. We're currently 24th of the 30 teams in total shots allowed. Meaning we've given up the 7th least in the league. The Rangers, and their stellar defense (which I do admit is excellent) have given up the 8th least.

We've got two goaltenders struggling to maintain a .900 save percentage. Bob's at .900, Bryz is at .898 . Neither are in the top 40 in the league. That's pathetic.

The media has nothing to do with Bryz. The guy is just one of those players who doesn't have the heart to play in the big city. This is a train wreck signing that can only end badly. Maybe Bob can still develop. Bryz is a lost cause. He needs to be shipped back to a town that doesn't care.

I'll assume you watch most of the games and know a thing or two about hockey, so im wondering why you are trying to feed me an oversimplified argument like "the more shots you get the more goals you'll automatically score, blah blah blah..".

How many shots did we get against the Jets last night? How many did we score?

Sure alot of it was the goalie, but its not just about quantity of shots. Its about the quality of the scoring chances you get as well.

Do me a favor.. they have a game tomorrow night in Edmonton. Lets both watch the game, and you tell me how many times, whether they end up scoring or not, you see a Oilers player right on the doorstep, completely unchecked by anyone in our zone.

I guarentee you it'll be in the double digits.. and its completely uncalled for. Our team D is awful, im telling you. Whether its the rotations, the lack of awareness, or something else.. we don't pick up opposing players in close. And when you don't lift the stick or clear bodies out of the front of the net, any rebound there is has a good chance of being slammed home into your net. Alot of it is our defensemen right now, as everyone from Timmonen to Carle isn't playing well in our own zone, but the forwards arn't providing much support either. Everyone wants to score and play in the offsensive zone, but im not seeing enough effort to backcheck and get on guys in the D zone. That's a bigger problem for me than the goaltending is, at least when Bobrovsky is in. Bryz is messed up in the head right now and letting in alot of soft goals, Bob isn't.

Right now there needs to be a decision made to either give Bryz a bunch of starts, seeing as how we are paying him so much, and hope that he gets it together in time for the playoffs, or start giving Bob alot more starts and get him ready for the postseason. Either way, you can't keep giving both games on and off at this point though.

Hopefully, Mr. Snider has learned his lesson now, to sit back, shut up, and let his GM run the team. No more "Jerry Jones'ing" it.

 

[phillycard]

He's actually allowed alot of soft goals, Bobrovsky has been the better goalie this year.

Roy, I'm ready to just put Bob in come the postseason if Bryz continues to stink it up. At least we know what we have in Bob. He may win you a series. I'm not ready to go night night in the first round with Bryz.

 

[Risen Star]

I'll assume you watch most of the games and know a thing or two about hockey, so im wondering why you are trying to feed me an oversimplified argument like "the more shots you get the more goals you'll automatically score, blah blah blah..".

How many shots did we get against the Jets last night? How many did we score?

Sure alot of it was the goalie, but its not just about quantity of shots. Its about the quality of the scoring chances you get as well.

Do me a favor.. they have a game tomorrow night in Edmonton. Lets both watch the game, and you tell me how many times, whether they end up scoring or not, you see a Oilers player right on the doorstep, completely unchecked by anyone in our zone.

I guarentee you it'll be in the double digits.. and its completely uncalled for. Our team D is awful, im telling you. Whether its the rotations, the lack of awareness, or something else.. we don't pick up opposing players in close. And when you don't lift the stick or clear bodies out of the front of the net, any rebound there is has a good chance of being slammed home into your net. Alot of it is our defensemen right now, as everyone from Timmonen to Carle isn't playing well in our own zone, but the forwards arn't providing much support either. Everyone wants to score and play in the offsensive zone, but im not seeing enough effort to backcheck and get on guys in the D zone. That's a bigger problem for me than the goaltending is, at least when Bobrovsky is in. Bryz is messed up in the head right now and letting in alot of soft goals, Bob isn't.

Right now there needs to be a decision made to either give Bryz a bunch of starts, seeing as how we are paying him so much, and hope that he gets it together in time for the playoffs, or start giving Bob alot more starts and get him ready for the postseason. Either way, you can't keep giving both games on and off at this point though.

Hopefully, Mr. Snider has learned his lesson now, to sit back, shut up, and let his GM run the team. No more "Jerry Jones'ing" it.

You must not be watching the games if you don't think Bob's been letting in soft goals. No goaltender with a .900 save percentage isn't letting in soft goals.

A team that's bad enough defensively to give up all these supposed great scoring chances would also be bad enough to give up a ton of shots against. The Flyers don't. You're exaggerrating the number of quality chances against.

If everybody was focused on the offensive end and weren't backchecking and playing defense, again....the shots against would reflect that. They don't.

 

[Risen Star]

Roy, I'm ready to just put Bob in come the postseason if Bryz continues to stink it up. At least we know what we have in Bob. He may win you a series. I'm not ready to go night night in the first round with Bryz.

Take a look at the stats. Bob's been no better. So I don't know why you'd assume he can win a series and Bryz can't.

Now, I do have more faith in him improving. I'll give you that.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Take a look at the stats. Bob's been no better. So I don't know why you'd assume he can win a series and Bryz can't.

Now, I do have more faith in him improving. I'll give you that.

If you look at what kind of goals each is getting scored on them you'd know Bryz allows a soft goal at least like once a game if not twice. With Bob, he has allowed some soft ones at times im sure, but its not nearly as frequently. His last start he had like two goals scored on him that were backdoor tap ins from passes going all the way across ice to a player standing on the back post completely unchecked for the easy slam dunk. Its not the same.. Bryz has been far worse.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

You must not be watching the games if you don't think Bob's been letting in soft goals. No goaltender with a .900 save percentage isn't letting in soft goals.

A team that's bad enough defensively to give up all these supposed great scoring chances would also be bad enough to give up a ton of shots against. The Flyers don't. You're exaggerrating the number of quality chances against.

If everybody was focused on the offensive end and weren't backchecking and playing defense, again....the shots against would reflect that. They don't.

You clearly arn't understanding what im saying. Our defensemen block more shots than most any other team. You don't get credit for a shot if it doesn't make it to the net. Because we block so many shots, opponents don't wind up with as many total shots on goal. However, when it comes to defending in close, we leave guys unchecked on the doorstep more than any other team i've seen all year.

Watch the game tonight if you think you're right and im off my rocker. Tell me how many times we leave a man unchecked at point blank range. If you're right, it won't be very many times, will it?

 

[Risen Star]

You clearly arn't understanding what im saying. Our defensemen block more shots than most any other team. You don't get credit for a shot if it doesn't make it to the net. Because we block so many shots, opponents don't wind up with as many total shots on goal. However, when it comes to defending in close, we leave guys unchecked on the doorstep more than any other team i've seen all year.

Watch the game tonight if you think you're right and im off my rocker. Tell me how many times we leave a man unchecked at point blank range. If you're right, it won't be very many times, will it?

Well if our defensemen block more shots, then isn't that playing defense?

But I don't think that's the case at all. In fact, blocking shots was the key reason why we traded for both Grossman and Kubina. They're great shot blockers. That's the head coach's comments yesterday. You don't make those trades if you're already blocking a ton of shots.

Sorry, I don't buy that our goaltenders hover around a .900 save percentage because they're facing an inordinate amount of quality chances. They have those numbers because they suck more than anything.

 

[Risen Star]

If you look at what kind of goals each is getting scored on them you'd know Bryz allows a soft goal at least like once a game if not twice. With Bob, he has allowed some soft ones at times im sure, but its not nearly as frequently. His last start he had like two goals scored on him that were backdoor tap ins from passes going all the way across ice to a player standing on the back post completely unchecked for the easy slam dunk. Its not the same.. Bryz has been far worse.

Bob started off much better but he's actually been worse than Bryz over the last month. So much so that his numbers are now right with Bryz.

Bob's a backup who may develop. He's not winning you a cup this year. He probably won't even get the chance considering the money wasted on Bryzgalov. I'm sure the Flyers will make every attempt to make it look like a good move. Which means an early exit from the playoffs this year.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Well if our defensemen block more shots, then isn't that playing defense?

But I don't think that's the case at all. In fact, blocking shots was the key reason why we traded for both Grossman and Kubina. They're great shot blockers. That's the head coach's comments yesterday. You don't make those trades if you're already blocking a ton of shots.

Sorry, I don't buy that our goaltenders hover around a .900 save percentage because they're facing an inordinate amount of quality chances. They have those numbers because they suck more than anything.

One of our goaltenders.. im not defending Bryz. He's just playing bad. Like i said, that's why you don't sign 9 year deals for 51 million or a goaltender. (Or for 99 percent of players for that matter.)

We seem to like to throw out huge deals to old players like hotcakes. That is a disturbing trend with Pronger and now Bryz. Needs to stop. One of those mistakes was on Homer, and that was the far lesser offense. Snider made the Bryz deal.. and i hope he's learned his lesson to stay out of it.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Bob started off much better but he's actually been worse than Bryz over the last month. So much so that his numbers are now right with Bryz.

Bob's a backup who may develop. He's not winning you a cup this year. He probably won't even get the chance considering the money wasted on Bryzgalov. I'm sure the Flyers will make every attempt to make it look like a good move. Which means an early exit from the playoffs this year.

We got to the Finals with Michael Leighton. We can do it with Bob, no doubt.

Bob's been worse lately than Bryz in goals allowed and save percentage.. but the goals he's allowed in haven't been nearly as soft as those Bryz has allowed. That's all im saying.

 

[Risen Star]

One of our goaltenders.. im not defending Bryz. He's just playing bad. Like i said, that's why you don't sign 9 year deals for 51 million or a goaltender. (Or for 99 percent of players for that matter.)

We seem to like to throw out huge deals to old players like hotcakes. That is a disturbing trend with Pronger and now Bryz. Needs to stop. One of those mistakes was on Homer, and that was the far lesser offense. Snider made the Bryz deal.. and i hope he's learned his lesson to stay out of it.

I'm not a big Holmgren fan either. The guy has destroyed our farm system. Every ranking I look at has the Flyers in the bottom 5 of the league. We pretty much need all these rookies to pan out or we're going to be in some trouble in the near future.

 

[phillycard]

Take a look at the stats. Bob's been no better. So I don't know why you'd assume he can win a series and Bryz can't.

Now, I do have more faith in him improving. I'll give you that.

RS, I'm really just talking out of my *** out of frustration. At this point I have confidence in neither, but it would be beyond devastating to be escorted out in the first round with Bryz. The sad thing is that he doesn't even talk like he can improve. His "woe is me, I stink, the universe is so vast" routine is grating on my very tolerant nerves. You have to think that Bryz's cost alone means he'll get the nod, but it's not good when I find myself longing for the days of Leighton.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I'm not a big Holmgren fan either. The guy has destroyed our farm system. Every ranking I look at has the Flyers in the bottom 5 of the league. We pretty much need all these rookies to pan out or we're going to be in some trouble in the near future.

I question some of his moves. Like the Pronger deal and letting Sbisa go.. but the young guys he's let go really haven't done too well so far anyway, so maybe he knew what he was doing. A deal this year that i didn't like was a few weeks ago they traded away Kevin Marshall for chicken nuggets. I have no idea why they would trade him away when he was playing very well in the time he got up with the big club and was still young and still developing.

I also question why we let Darrell Powe go when he lead the team in hits last year and was our best penalty killing wing, and still young and a very smart and responsible player. Chose to keep Nodl over him which was a joke. I'd have held on to O'Donnell for another year as well over bringing in Lilja. Loved what O'Donnell brought to the team and he and Mesarojs may have been the best defensive pair in the league last year, plus/minus wise.

I'd have kept that Russian kid around too, can't think of his name right now lol. Unreal, i was one of his biggest fans and thought he got a bad rap. He was super talented on offense and played hard on D when he got a chance to play.

So yea, there are def some moves from Homer i think were ********.. but overall we have one of the youngest, most talented teams in the league right now.. so its hard to argue with that. Just think what we could do if Snider hadn't poked his nose in and made us sign the 31 year old goalie for 9 years and 50 mil.

 

[Risen Star]

Couturier is scratched tonight.

Great. Another injury.

 

[Joe Realist]

lol at " Mr. Snider ". I wish someone would call him Eddie

 

[Risen Star]

I question some of his moves. Like the Pronger deal and letting Sbisa go.. but the young guys he's let go really haven't done too well so far anyway, so maybe he knew what he was doing. A deal this year that i didn't like was a few weeks ago they traded away Kevin Marshall for chicken nuggets. I have no idea why they would trade him away when he was playing very well in the time he got up with the big club and was still young and still developing.

It's all the picks he traded away too.

Last offseason he finally starts acquiring picks. Just when you think maybe he's going to start replenishing the farm system he goes and trades 4 more for 2 decent veteran defenseman.

IMO, Couturier and Schenn have to become stars or I'd fire Holmgren.

 

[Risen Star]

lol at " Mr. Snider ". I wish someone would call him Eddie

If he did in fact order the Brzy signing, I'd call him Eddah.