Paxton Lynch with 4th overall

[JohnnyHopkins]

No Lynch at #4. They were not going to draft a QB in the first place imo. The Rams trade is actually going to help them from a publicity perspective because it removes any of the realistic options at #4.

 

[texbumthelife]

Let me be clear, I didn't say anywhere that I wanted Cook. I simply said I don't think Lynch is any safer. People are seeing his size and athleticism and greatly overrating him.

 

[DFWJC]

I keep hearing Connor Cook is a massive jerk..and his teammates don't like him.
Think "Bo Callahan" in the movie "Draft Day"

 

[4lifecowboy]

You are absolutely right it is all a gamble. Lynch is just my example. Every qb in this draft has moved a few notches ahead of the round their talent should have them in, simply because of this trade. Everyone's draft board has changed this morning.

 

[ConceptCoop]

2 1st rounders, 2 2nd rounders, and 2 3rd rounders to move up to take a "shot" at a franchise QB. Let that sink in.

What does that say about their opinion of Lynch?

 

[Sydla]

Let me be clear, I didn't say anywhere that I wanted Cook. I simply said I don't think Lynch is any safer. People are seeing his size and athleticism and greatly overrating him.

He was a more accurate passer in college than Cook. And did that while apparently having all these mechanical flaws.

Cook, on the otherhand, is supposed the more mechanically sound QB and yet could never get above 60% passing in college, which has been shown in other threads, is a huge negative in terms of moving onto the NFL. Guys don't go from sub 60% in college to accurate passers in the NFL.

So yeah, with all his flaws and rawness and mechanical work needed, Lynch is more of a sure thing than Cook. Frankly, I don't think it's even close. Reality is if you look at trends, both will likely bust out in the NFL. But Lynch has the higher percentage of success IMO which is why he'll be drafted well before Cook and rightfully so.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I kind of like Lynch because he kind of looks like The King in the show The Tudors.

 

[4lifecowboy]

What does that say about their opinion of Lynch?

I don't know their opinion of Lynch. I do know on most national drafts his overall ranking is somewhere between the 10th to the 20th player in the first round. I do know they have worked him out at least 3 times. So they probably see 1st round potential.

 

[ConceptCoop]

He was a more accurate passer in college than Cook. And did that while apparently having all these mechanical flaws.

Cook, on the otherhand, is supposed the more mechanically sound QB and yet could never get above 60% passing in college, which has been shown in other threads, is a huge negative in terms of moving onto the NFL. Guys don't go from sub 60% in college to accurate passers in the NFL.

So yeah, with all his flaws and rawness and mechanical work needed, Lynch is more of a sure thing than Cook. Frankly, I don't think it's even close. Reality is if you look at trends, both will likely bust out in the NFL. But Lynch has the higher percentage of success IMO which is why he'll be drafted well before Cook and rightfully so.

You need context. Lynch was playing in a quick hit spread offense. Cook was in a pro-style offense. Completion % isn't a fair data point to compare on these guys. They were asked to do different things. Off course the spread guys % is higher.

Tim Tebow's %s were better than Lynch's. Was he accurate?

 

[ConceptCoop]

I don't know their opinion of Lynch. I do know on most national drafts his overall ranking is somewhere between the 10th to the 20th player in the first round. I do know they have worked him out at least 3 times. So they probably see 1st round potential.

Right. But they clearly thought their target at one was their best shot at a franchise QB. Not sure what they paid for #1 has anything to do with Lynch's value.

 

[Idgit]

One, I'd hate this. But, two, in terms of value, blowing the #4 on Lynch is probably a 'better' value than what the Rams just did to get Wentz.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Right. But they clearly thought their target at one was their best shot at a franchise QB. Not sure what they paid for #1 has anything to do with Lynch's value.

Because the Rams have increased the value of every quarterback in the draft by paying such a high premium for a chance to take one.

 

[Sydla]

You need context. Lynch was playing in a quick hit spread offense. Cook was in a pro-style offense. Completion % isn't a fair data point to compare on these guys. They were asked to do different things. Off course the spread guys % is higher.

Tim Tebow's %s were better than Lynch's. Was he accurate?

You're missing the point. It's not about using completion percentages and then ranking the prospects in order of their percentages.

The point is that it's been shown that college QBs who never complete 60% of their passes in college rarely can develop into accurate passers in the NFL. If you are inaccurate in college, you are likely to be erratic in the NFL too. So if Cook is more "polished" as a passer and couldn't sniff 60% in college it's hard to state he's a safer pick at QB than a guy in Lynch, who needs mechanical improvements, but was still talented enough to generate a great completion percentage in college.

 

[4lifecowboy]

One, I'd hate this. But, two, in terms of value, blowing the #4 on Lynch is probably a 'better' value than what the Rams just did to get Wentz.

Thanks for seeing my point. And a better value then having to be the Rams of the 2017 or 18 draft.

 

[texbumthelife]

One, I'd hate this. But, two, in terms of value, blowing the #4 on Lynch is probably a 'better' value than what the Rams just did to get Wentz.

How would you feel about saying screw the value and taking Elliott?

 

[KDM256]

Nothing wrong with taking Paxton Lynch at 4... Before the recent Wentz explosion, most of us on here was talking about Lynch being the first QB drafted period and now all of sudden taking Lynch at 4 is considered a risk... You guys change like the weather. Dallas drafting Lynch with Romo still on the roster give Lynch time to get his feet wet and learn the playbook best case scenario.

Lynch doesn't make it out of the top 10 especially with teams like the 49ers and Eagles lurking around the top 10. If you think Paxton would make it to #15, then I have some beach front property in Kansas you guys may be interested in as well.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I have no problem with taking him at 4. I think his potential is too great to pass up on. Ideally, I'd like to move down to #6 pick up an additional pick and still draft Lynch, but I wouldn't chance it.

I really don't see Wentz as a better prospect at this stage. The only thing he has over Lynch is his footwork was slightly better overall (still sloppy at times) and he played in an offense that was a little more of a pro style (not by much). I think Wentz can be really good, but I think with Lynch given his release, his ability to see over the linemen, he's a better runner with the ball, stronger arm, throws a much better deep ball and can be used in some read option, makes for a very prolific QB.





YR

I think you could move down into the teens and take Lynch. I think he might be there but I don't see him there in the 2nd or even late first.

 

[texbumthelife]

You're missing the point. It's not about using completion percentages and then ranking the prospects in order of their percentages.

The point is that it's been shown that college QBs who never complete 60% of their passes in college rarely can develop into accurate passers in the NFL. If you are inaccurate in college, you are likely to be erratic in the NFL too. So if Cook is more "polished" as a passer and couldn't sniff 60% in college it's hard to state he's a safer pick at QB than a guy in Lynch, who needs mechanical improvements, but was still talented enough to generate a great completion percentage in college.

He's more polished mechanically. I agree with your completion % argument though. It's 100% correct.

 

[4lifecowboy]

How would you feel about saying screw the value and taking Elliott?

We would still have to overpay for a potential franchise QB eventually.

 

[Idgit]

How would you feel about saying screw the value and taking Elliott?

I've never been in favor of taking RBs with premium picks, because they don't impact winning games enough (I know a lot of people don't see it that way, but let's set that aside for a minute...). Position aside, though, Elliot's kind of becoming one of the safer options for us if we're stuck at #4 and don't get a QB. More than anything, I just don't want to miss on this high a pick.

So, I think I'd rather have Bosa, who I think is also safe. But if I were a RB fan, I could definitely see the attraction of Elliot for us there. If that's the route we go, I'll swallow the bile at the wasted value and be pretty stoked to watch the guy play. He's a great back, no doubt about it.