Pay cut Cowboys will ask Zeke to take will be massive

[bigE79]

Unfortunately, Zeke is no longer considered a "running back" more like lumber back, at this point.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

No, that's not correct. You posted multiple comments challenging anyone to say the last time any offensive linemen get downfield to block. I simply said they did in fact on a regular basis.

Then you tried to act like my statement was laughable and doubled down on false narratives. I have no idea why you went down that path but its completely your actions that caused you to get called out.

Was the Oline great? I wouldn't say they were "great" either but they were clearly one of the better units in the league. If you wanna say they aren't great, fine. But you can't make false claims as your support and expect people to just accept it.

Since you're such a stickler gor verbiage and such....youve offered zero evidence of your claim, the lectut

No, that's not correct. You posted multiple comments challenging anyone to say the last time any offensive linemen get downfield to block. I simply said they did in fact on a regular basis.

Then you tried to act like my statement was laughable and doubled down on false narratives. I have no idea why you went down that path but its completely your actions that caused you to get called out.

Was the Oline great? I wouldn't say they were "great" either but they were clearly one of the better units in the league. If you wanna say they aren't great, fine. But you can't make false claims as your support and expect people to just accept it.

Alright....its cool.
I noticed you didnt provide any independent evidence of your claim.
You probably say....well steve its self evident....no need.

Okay fine on that two.

 

[McKDaddy]

 

[vlad]

This is an example of a play that has that perfect blocking vs defense setup that happens probably a once or twice a game that has always bummed me out about Zeke because I think a large number of good but non-elite RBs read that block plants that leg and bursts straight and can beat that oncoming safety.

It adds so much more pressure to the team too 3 yard and cloud of dust it unless you have Brady back there.

And that’s been since his rookie year imho. Clearly Pollard would be a rookie contract example, and probably would have sold jerseys for those folks that care about that.

Obviously Zeke was a well rounded good rb, but i can only think of like a few plays from his rookie year where he beat someone to the point of attack.

I could be wrong but that’s been my read.

 

[Gonzomandela01]

Can Zeke play Fullback?

They should make him a FB. We should play with a FB if we are serious about running the ball.

I want a Fullback

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

This is an example of a play that has that perfect blocking vs defense setup that happens probably a once or twice a game that has always bummed me out about Zeke because I think a large number of good but non-elite RBs read that block plants that leg and bursts straight and can beat that oncoming safety.

It adds so much more pressure to the team too 3 yard and cloud of dust it unless you have Brady back there.

And that’s been since his rookie year imho. Clearly Pollard would be a rookie contract example, and probably would have sold jerseys for those folks that care about that.

Obviously Zeke was a well rounded good rb, but i can only think of like a few plays from his rookie year where he beat someone to the point of attack.

I could be wrong but that’s been my read.

That’s exactly it. The second Tyler Smith put hands on #24 Pollard would have exploited that crease.

Our o-line isn’t blocking differently for Zeke. Zeke is just not able to exploit the holes that are created for him.

Zeke has just five (5) career runs of 40+ yards in 1,881 carries, and three (3) of those came during his rookie season. Pollard already has seven (7) in just 510 carries.

 

[quickccc]

So when Pollard taps out, is he also being babied? I like that the coaches allow the players to acknowledge when they need to be taken out of the game for a few plays to catch their breath. Better than just trying to power through when you're sucking wind, especially when we have another capable back.

Up to McCarthy and the new coaches ...

i have no qualms with RBs tapping out per injury or equipment failure. ...and as dependant as club was with Zeke's blitz blocking,
we don't need game to game regularity breather reliefs on his own .. vs coaches monitoring and making the decisions.

If that happens with Pollard, ..that's more on the coaches that let him get away with that , ..than it is with Pollard .

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

Zeke gets paid, cut or not. There is no financial gain for him to take a cut so I imagine he takes the cash and heads to Cabo.

 

[gimmesix]

Up to McCarthy and the new coaches ...

i have no qualms with RBs tapping out per injury or equipment failure. ...and as dependant as club was with Zeke's blitz blocking,
we don't need game to game regularity breather reliefs on his own .. vs coaches monitoring and making the decisions.

If that happens with Pollard, ..that's more on the coaches that let him get away with that , ..than it is with Pollard .

It has happened with Pollard. May have had to do with the RB coach and his preference.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

awesome. proof zeke can still run. great job! you finally did it.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Zeke gets paid, cut or not. There is no financial gain for him to take a cut so I imagine he takes the cash and heads to Cabo.

oh boy..clever. original. you should be very proud.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

This is an example of a play that has that perfect blocking vs defense setup that happens probably a once or twice a game that has always bummed me out about Zeke because I think a large number of good but non-elite RBs read that block plants that leg and bursts straight and can beat that oncoming safety.

It adds so much more pressure to the team too 3 yard and cloud of dust it unless you have Brady back there.

And that’s been since his rookie year imho. Clearly Pollard would be a rookie contract example, and probably would have sold jerseys for those folks that care about that.

Obviously Zeke was a well rounded good rb, but i can only think of like a few plays from his rookie year where he beat someone to the point of attack.

I could be wrong but that’s been my read.

if this is a play that ONLY HAPPENS ONCE OR TWICE...


then our run game sucks balls.

I see other teams do this WAY more often...couple times a qtr, half or even series...busting off big runs on GREAT blocking. So not sure where you get this "once or twice a game" thing. It bull ship.

 

[Beast_from_East]

League minimum or release....................your choice Zeke.

 

[Beast_from_East]

It's time to move on from Zeke, he's WASHED. Why does this stupid owner love hanging on to players too long????

They still sell jerseys...................I wish I was joking, but I'm not.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Zeke played his card when he sat out.
He was under contract (his rooking deal) and felt he was underpaid.
So he held out even though he was under contract. His contract, as the #4 pick in the draft was not even a bad contract, be he was an All Pro and played his card to be paid as such.
I have no problem with that, but now it's time for the organization to play their card.
Zeke's production would be easily replaced by a draft pick making under 1 million a year.
Our 4th round pick last year, Jake Ferguson, has a cap hit this year of 1 mil. The Chiefs drafted Pacheco in the 7th round last year and his hit is also about 1 mil (and they are controlled for 4 years).
I would honestly prefer the draft pick. We know what Zeke brings, hard work but no play making ability. With a draft pick you may get some playmaking ability (see Pacheco).
It's foolish Jones behavior to act otherwise, and even float the idea of a restructure. To me, even if he restructured to the cap hit of a day 3 pick I would prefer the pick. Nothing against Zeke, but his play has faded and it's time to move on.
He didn't hesitate to play his hand when he held out, and we shouldn;t hesitate to move on from him now that his play no longer warrants his contract (and frankly, hasn't for years).

Here is the problem..............his cap hit is about $17 million but the dead cap hit is about $12 million if released, assuming its pre June 1st.

Its actually more advantageous if they can get Zeke to take a major pay cut, to like league min of about $1.2 for him, and still have his services for short yardage, goalline, pass pro, ect......then to eat $12 million in dead money and have nothing to show for it. That is why you give Zeke the option to take a pay cut, if he refuses, then you have no choice but to release.

 

[Cowboys1966]

Except there are many projections that have Gibbs going to Philly or KC at 30/31.

True.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Shout out to Sydla for providing the math on Zeke's contract in this thread.

If you crunch the numbers you can see where the team is coming from. If you just cut Zeke tomorrow, you are eating $12 million in dead money and have nothing to show for it.

Now if you can get Zeke to massively drop his base salary from $10.9 down to a couple of million, then his overall cap hit of $16 million can be significantly reduced and you still have a very good short yardage, goalline, and pass pro RB. You at least are getting something of value for the money you are spending on the cap instead of eating $12 million and have nothing.

Now the million dollar question is how much is Zeke and his agent willing to reduce his base salary of $10.9 million down to? Would they agree to drop it to $1 or $2 million? Probably not, we are more likely talking a drop down to $5 or $6 million most likely.

Is that acceptable to the Cowboys or would they rather just rip the band aid off and eat the full $12 million this year to get Zeke off the books? You could go post June 1 cut but you cant really use any of the savings until after June 1 so free agency is already over with and you are carrying dead money over into 2024. That $12 million has to be paid to the cap regardless so its just a matter of at what base salary is it better to keep Zeke at this year as compared to just a straight up release?

Will be interesting to see what happens.

 

[McKDaddy]

awesome. proof zeke can still run. great job! you finally did it.

My first ever post involving a video clip!! Been meaning to learn how to do that. You spurred me to action!!

 

[atlantacowboy]

Cut him. Let him test the market. The resign him for 10 cents on the dollar. He can still block and pick up those 3rd and ones.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Shout out to Sydla for providing the math on Zeke's contract in this thread.

If you crunch the numbers you can see where the team is coming from. If you just cut Zeke tomorrow, you are eating $12 million in dead money and have nothing to show for it.

Now if you can get Zeke to massively drop his base salary from $10.9 down to a couple of million, then his overall cap hit of $16 million can be significantly reduced and you still have a very good short yardage, goalline, and pass pro RB. You at least are getting something of value for the money you are spending on the cap instead of eating $12 million and have nothing.

Now the million dollar question is how much is Zeke and his agent willing to reduce his base salary of $10.9 million down to? Would they agree to drop it to $1 or $2 million? Probably not, we are more likely talking a drop down to $5 or $6 million most likely.

Is that acceptable to the Cowboys or would they rather just rip the band aid off and eat the full $12 million this year to get Zeke off the books? You could go post June 1 cut but you cant really use any of the savings until after June 1 so free agency is already over with and you are carrying dead money over into 2024. That $12 million has to be paid to the cap regardless so its just a matter of at what base salary is it better to keep Zeke at this year as compared to just a straight up release?

Will be interesting to see what happens.

Free agency is a non-issue b/c we don't participate in anything but the scraps. So, making Zeke a post june 1st cut makes perfect sense b/c the goal of freeing up the space is to resign other guys. We don't need the money now. We will need future cap space to pay for CD and Diggs.