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Like many of us on these boards, I am incensed that Drew is not in the HoF. I decided to take a look at each receiver and figure out why Drew is not in while the others are.
First, the raw stats.
Drew Pearson (11 years)
489 receptions
7,822 yards
48 TD
Yards per game: 50.1
1,000 yards seasons: 2
4x Pro Bowler
3x 1st Team All Pro
1x 2nd Team All Pro
Made the Hail Mary Catch
1970's All Decade Team
Lynn Swann (9 years)
336 receptions
5,462 yards
51 TD
Yards per game: 47.1
1,000 yard seasons: 0
3x Pro Bowler
1x 1st Team All Pro
2x 2nd Team All Pro
Super Bowl MVP
1970's All Decade Team
Harold Carmichael (13 years, his 14th year in Dallas he barely saw the field, so 13 years)
590 receptions (played TE his first year at a time they were barely thrown to)
8,985 yards
79 TD
Yards per game: 49.4
1,000 seasons: 3
4x Pro Bowl
Playoffs:
Drew Pearson: 22 games, 68 receptions, 8 TD's, 1,,131 yards, 51.4 yards per game
Lynn Swann: 16 games, 48 receptions, 9 TD's, 907 yards, 56.7 yards per game
Harold Carmichael: 7 games, 29 receptions, 6 TD's, 465 yards, 66.4 yards per game
What do these raw stats tell us? Two things jump out:
- Lynn Swann is the least impactful of the three, though he has been in the HoF for years.
- Harold Carmichael is by far the most impactful in the playoffs.
- Carmichael's teams, judging by playoff appearances, have been awful compared to Swann's or Pearson's
Let's go further. Who were the QB's and how stable was each franchise?
Swann: One HC (Chuck Noll), One QB (Bradshaw)
Pearson: One HC (Tom Landry), Two QB's (Staubach and White)
Carmichael: Six HC's, of which only one was any good (Dick Vermeil), Seven QB's (3 years of Roman Gabriel, of which he was healthy for one, Jaworski, Pisarcik, Boyela, Arrington, Reeves, and three games with the corpse of Dan Pastorini).
Swann and Pearson played for great coaches and good to great QB's. Carmichael played under mostly garbage coaching and garbage at the QB position. Vermeil was an excellent coach--the other five were horrible-- one year of a very good healthy Roman Gabriel (2 bad injured years), and the good but overrated Jaws with Vermeil. The other QB's were hot garbage.
After looking at this, and remembering all these receivers play, I would take Carmichael over either Swann or Pearson. And how Swann got in the HoF and Pearson didn't is a mystery. I can't imagine what Staubach could have done with Carmichael, or how good Carmichael would be considered if he had a team with solid ownership, QB play, and coaching.
My opinion will not be popular. I don't give a ****.
There is 3 or 4 WR above Pearson that aren’t in yet.
He also has 3 more TDs in 2 fewer years, so I don't understand how he was "less impactful" than Pearson.Swann made among the most memorable Super Bowl catches on a Super Bowl dynasty. That's why he's in.
Exactly, plus Swann I think out preformed pearson in the 2 SB games with Pitt. Swan always had a big play that led to a score , usually and good catch,Bingo! Plus, the Steelers were 2-0 head-to-head versus the Cowboys in the Super Bowl. The HoF voters favor players on winning, successful teams over those on also-ran teams. Reverse the Cowboys-Steelers Super Bowl results and Drew most likely is in and Swann isn’t.
Bruce has way better stats.I'd say Branch, and he's a contemporary.
Bruce has way better stats.
cliff and drew should be in the hall,period. Anyone who claims otherwise doesn't grasp the concept of what the HOF ought to mean. Its not the HALL OF STATS...its the hall of FAME.In a different era. Can't compare passing yards across eras. That's why I look at All Pro and league leading stats. Who was actually the best in their time?
Bruce never made All Pro. Only led the league in one stat for one year.
Both Pearson and Branch made All Pro 3 times. They were the best in the league for a chunk of time. And Branch in particular had the stats to prove it.
EXACTLY! Its the HALL OF FAME. Not the HALL OF STATS. Fame, meaning they were Famous for how they did what they did and YES, style points and context should count HUGE. Drew and Cliff Branch did what they did at a time where its was a running league, 3 yards and a cloud of dust. That's what makes this so stunning that they both got left out. Cliff Harris deserved it..good for him! He played at a high level for a long time and again, at a time where it was a running league..so int's were harder to come by. You really had to be a student of the game back in the day, to get those turnovers. KUDOS TO HIM. THE HALL GOT THAT 1 RIGHT. Drew and Branch got screwed. I wanna know who the hell voted to not elect them.One of the best threads I have read in a while. Thanks to the OP for starting it. Hope the young kids take the time to read through it. A solid back and forth discussion.
Drew got screwed.
Sadly enough I remember that day, not sure what that says!The one thing Carmichael had that stands out is his 117 game streak of catching at least 1 pass.
What stands out to me with him is the day the Eagles played the Cowboys and that streak ended.
Swann made among the most memorable Super Bowl catches on a Super Bowl dynasty. That's why he's in.
Every single player on both the 1st- and 2nd-team All-Decade 70s offense is now a Hall of Famer. All 22 players -- except Drew Pearson.
And Pearson is on the 1st team!
What part of memorable catches, Super Bowl and dynasty did you NOT get?So will OBJ go into the HOF because he made a one handed catch?
Great post!The HoF voters have not only done an injustice to Drew Pearson, but their leaving Cliff Branch out of Canton is just as wrong. During a 15-year stretch (early 60s - mid 70s), Branch was one of the four most accomplished and feared deep threats in the game (Lance Alworth, Bob Hayes, Paul Warfield) and of the other three, only Hayes was faster.
As others have said, Pearson is hurt by the fact Pittsburgh beat Dallas in two SBs. And in those two wins, Swann was stellar.
Although L.C. Greenwood had a monster game in SB X (four sacks) and Jack Lambert played like a wild man in the 2nd half (Cliff Harris set him off like a Roman candle by patting Roy Gerela on the head after a missed FG late in the 2nd quarter), it was Swann who shone most in Miami that day.
And, it was Harris who tried to intimidate Swann in the media before the game, after Swann was concussed in the AFCCG vs the Raiders. All Swann did was make one spectacular catch after another, setting a then SB record for receiving yards.
I love Drew Pearson, but the truth is undeniable: had Dallas and Pittsburgh traded their #88's before kick-off, the Cowboys would have won SB X. Swann's acrobatic catches were responsible for 14 Pittsburgh points in a four-point win. Drew, great as he was, could not have soared high to make those two amazing catches vs Mark Washington, who actually had very good coverage.
In SB XIII, the most spectacular play was Swann soaring over Harris in the back of the end zone to catch the clinching TD. Had it been Pearson, that would have been an incomplete pass out of the back of the end zone. And Swann capped off his SB career with a deep TD vs Rod Perry of the Rams the following year. I can't stand the Steelers, but in their last three SBs, Swann was their best offensive threat.
With championships comes national media recognition, and one more SB win would have been large enough to overcome the anti-Dallas bias in the HoF voting. If the Cowboys had won either SB X or XIII, guys like Drew and Harvey Martin would be in Canton already.
Obviously, the voters remember what Swann did in the SB. Pearson's career stats/accomplishments were at least the equal of Swann's, and actually, even better. But on the biggest stage, Swann shone brighter, and being on a four-time champion, he became a lock for Canton.
Unless Drew gets in next year, I think it's unlikely he will get in. Sadly, the window appears to be closing shut on Harvey Martin and the Cowboys' most deserving player not yet in, Chuck Howley.
I think this is pretty fair. I've said this before, but the reality with Swann is, in my mind, that much of what got the attention of HOF voters was the 2 Super Bowl wins against the Cowboys where he had huge games and several acrobatic highlight reel catches. We all know the ones - those catches are still being shown today. Being part of 4 SB winning teams also helped. Otherwise his career was good, but not great, and not very long.Like many of us on these boards, I am incensed that Drew is not in the HoF. I decided to take a look at each receiver and figure out why Drew is not in while the others are.
First, the raw stats.
Drew Pearson (11 years)
489 receptions
7,822 yards
48 TD
Yards per game: 50.1
1,000 yards seasons: 2
4x Pro Bowler
3x 1st Team All Pro
1x 2nd Team All Pro
Made the Hail Mary Catch
1970's All Decade Team
Lynn Swann (9 years)
336 receptions
5,462 yards
51 TD
Yards per game: 47.1
1,000 yard seasons: 0
3x Pro Bowler
1x 1st Team All Pro
2x 2nd Team All Pro
Super Bowl MVP
1970's All Decade Team
Harold Carmichael (13 years, his 14th year in Dallas he barely saw the field, so 13 years)
590 receptions (played TE his first year at a time they were barely thrown to)
8,985 yards
79 TD
Yards per game: 49.4
1,000 seasons: 3
4x Pro Bowl
Playoffs:
Drew Pearson: 22 games, 68 receptions, 8 TD's, 1,,131 yards, 51.4 yards per game
Lynn Swann: 16 games, 48 receptions, 9 TD's, 907 yards, 56.7 yards per game
Harold Carmichael: 7 games, 29 receptions, 6 TD's, 465 yards, 66.4 yards per game
What do these raw stats tell us? Two things jump out:
- Lynn Swann is the least impactful of the three, though he has been in the HoF for years.
- Harold Carmichael is by far the most impactful in the playoffs.
- Carmichael's teams, judging by playoff appearances, have been awful compared to Swann's or Pearson's
Let's go further. Who were the QB's and how stable was each franchise?
Swann: One HC (Chuck Noll), One QB (Bradshaw)
Pearson: One HC (Tom Landry), Two QB's (Staubach and White)
Carmichael: Six HC's, of which only one was any good (Dick Vermeil), Seven QB's (3 years of Roman Gabriel, of which he was healthy for one, Jaworski, Pisarcik, Boyela, Arrington, Reeves, and three games with the corpse of Dan Pastorini).
Swann and Pearson played for great coaches and good to great QB's. Carmichael played under mostly garbage coaching and garbage at the QB position. Vermeil was an excellent coach--the other five were horrible-- one year of a very good healthy Roman Gabriel (2 bad injured years), and the good but overrated Jaws with Vermeil. The other QB's were hot garbage.
After looking at this, and remembering all these receivers play, I would take Carmichael over either Swann or Pearson. And how Swann got in the HoF and Pearson didn't is a mystery. I can't imagine what Staubach could have done with Carmichael, or how good Carmichael would be considered if he had a team with solid ownership, QB play, and coaching.
My opinion will not be popular. I don't give a ****.
BUT.....only one is known for one of the most exciting plays in the game........the HAIL MARY
I didn't say he deserved it over one playI think Drew deserves the HOF...but this is very flawed logic. Based on it, David Tyree should be in the HOF...he made the most iconic catch on the games biggest stage.
I also feel sorry for Drew over the emotional video. But let's be honest...he chose to have the cameras there and make it a celebration because he thought he might get in. He set himself up. Ironically, the sympathy for him it generated might be the thing that gets him in via the veterans committee.