Penn State Sex Abuse Scandal (Indictment Post #144, "Pimping" Allegations Post #442)

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Penn State sex abuse scandal could very well widen




http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...al_could_very_well_widen.html?cmpid=124488429


Couple of excerpts:

It is difficult to believe Paterno knew nothing of Sandusky's alleged sick proclivities before 2002. It is simply not credible that the Penn State defensive coordinator was the subject of a lengthy police investigation in 1998 and Paterno never got a whiff of it. He might have slowed down in the last three or four years, but during the crucial span in question, Paterno was the central power on campus. If a rock was thrown in State College, he knew about it before it landed. And the defensive coordinator was under police investigation and he didn't know? Not likely.
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I met Joe Paterno in 1979 or 1980 when he came to a high school near the rural, small-town newspaper where I started in this business. He came to witness a player, a huge local star at an offensive skill position, signing his letter of intent to play for Paterno.

The player went to Penn State but had only one letterman season and left abruptly before completing his eligibility. Some years later, I reminded Paterno of our first meeting and said something about it being a shame the player didn't work out.

"Yeah, you know, we never had that problem up here before with cocaine. It took us by surprise," Paterno said.

I was surprised myself at the time but never thought that much about it until last week. Was there a drug bust, or a police report? Not that I remember, and I tried to follow the player closely. Was the player just sent home quietly and allowed to take his problem elsewhere?

Maybe that worked out for him, if that was the case. Maybe not. We know that simply telling Jerry Sandusky to take his problem elsewhere didn't work out well for all his victims after 2002.​
 

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Cajuncowboy;4237991 said:
I am not embarrassed for defending the joe paterno I know. I would do that for anyone I know to be a good person. As American's we at least deserve that and should expect that of each other.

I know further that Paterno was put in a no win situation as well by the superiors but that doesn't excuse the in actions and what I have come to know.

Cajun

i cant wrap my head around those 2 statements from you
i can only assume that you are blinded by your loyalty which has NO PLACE in a situation as heinous as this one

let me say this as someone who had no feelings towards Penn State or Paterno one way or the other, in other words, no axe to grind:

saying that Paterno is a "good person" is absolutely ridiculous IMO
He knew what was going on or at least strongly suspected it

there is no "win" when a child is being abused except to stop it, period, end of story

when Paterno decided not to act in a meaningful way, he became culpable in the act, maybe not in the eyes of the law but definitely from a moral standpoint

there is no grey area here

responsibility is about power, if you are more powerful, you have more responsibility

who was more powerful than Paterno on the Penn State campus?
If Paterno had said that Sandusky should never be allowed on campus again, do you think he would have been allowed? no way.

IMO Paterno is directly responsible and I am not even related to or know the abused

just imagine you are the parent of one of these kids.... do you still think paterno is a "good person" or was placed in "a no win situation" ?
 

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visionary;4245171 said:
Cajun

i cant wrap my head around those 2 statements from you
i can only assume that you are blinded by your loyalty which has NO PLACE in a situation as heinous as this one

let me say this as someone who had no feelings towards Penn State or Paterno one way or the other, in other words, no axe to grind:

saying that Paterno is a "good person" is absolutely ridiculous IMO
He knew what was going on or at least strongly suspected it

there is no "win" when a child is being abused except to stop it, period, end of story

when Paterno decided not to act in a meaningful way, he became culpable in the act, maybe not in the eyes of the law but definitely from a moral standpoint

there is no grey area here

responsibility is about power, if you are more powerful, you have more responsibility

who was more powerful than Paterno on the Penn State campus?
If Paterno had said that Sandusky should never be allowed on campus again, do you think he would have been allowed? no way.

IMO Paterno is directly responsible and I am not even related to or know the abused

just imagine you are the parent of one of these kids.... do you still think paterno is a "good person" or was placed in "a no win situation" ?

I defended him as the person I knew. A good person.

The no win situation was given to me by someone who I trust and was told about what went down in 2002. I am not going to say what that situation was because I was asked not to. And I won't. I now KNOW what happened which is something that no one on this forum knows and only a hand few people in the media know and will not be reported.

I stated my position and have reversed my stance on supporting Paterno.

Isn't that enough? It's going to have to be.
 

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Cajuncowboy;4245198 said:
I defended him as the person I knew. A good person.

The no win situation was given to me by someone who I trust and was told about what went down in 2002. I am not going to say what that situation was because I was asked not to. And I won't. I now KNOW what happened which is something that no one on this forum knows and only a hand few people in the media know and will not be reported.

I stated my position and have reversed my stance on supporting Paterno.

Isn't that enough? It's going to have to be.

I apologize if I offended you, it is not personal and i am not blaming you

Just telling you the opinion of an objective person who does not know either party
 

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visionary;4245234 said:
I apologize if I offended you, it is not personal and i am not blaming you

Just telling you the opinion of an objective person who does not know either party

As background, my relationship with Paterno goes back to 1980. I know him on a personal basis. My defense of him was not based on just being a Penn State fan.

That said it should speak volumes for what was divulged to me that I no longer support him.

And maybe I am a little touchy when it comes to this.
 

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Cajuncowboy;4245250 said:
As background, my relationship with Paterno goes back to 1980. I know him on a personal basis. My defense of him was not based on just being a Penn State fan.

That said it should speak volumes for what was divulged to me that I no longer support him.

And maybe I am a little touchy when it comes to this.

It is understandable.

It is one thing for us that are not attached in any manner to the man to be upset about this.

It is another if you know the guy and just could not fathom any involvement only to learn otherwise...especially after defending him against the hordes on the board.
 

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MichaelWinicki;4245116 said:
A new article by someone who coached on the Penn State staff for a couple of years and who himself was abused sexually as a child...


The voicemail was left by a buddy from his playing days back at Brown University.

“He made a reference to the Sandusky thing,” Matt Paknis says. “I didn’t know what he was talking about, but it sounded weird.”

The Sandusky thing. By now, America knows it all too well. The Sandusky thing is the indictment of former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky on 40 counts of sexual abuse against eight children, an indictment that already has led to the ousters of university president Graham Spanier and legendary coach Joe Paterno, even though neither has been charged with a crime; to the indefinite leave imposed upon assistant coach and potential star witness Mike McQueary; and to unrest among students on the school's campus.

Sandusky has pleaded innocent to the charges. Paterno released a statement over the weekend, through his son Jay, that he would not have further comment on the situation.

When Paknis, 49, started investigating the Sandusky thing on the Internet, it hit especially close to home.

More...

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45283472/ns/sports-college_football/

Wow... Wow. I read that guy's blog, and while he obviously disliked Paterno even many years ago when he worked for him, it's pretty damning even if the guy did exaggerate a bit.

But honestly, it doesn't surprise me, either. I've been saying all along that almost all coaches who run mammothly powerful football programs like this have a power-hungry and egotistical side to them, even if the outside world never sees it.

http://mattpaknis.blogspot.com/
 

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BrAinPaiNt;4245268 said:
It is understandable.

It is one thing for us that are not attached in any manner to the man to be upset about this.

It is another if you know the guy and just could not fathom any involvement only to learn otherwise...especially after defending him against the hordes on the board.

My real regret is that the whole dang story can't be told. It wouldn't absolve Paterno but it would certainly put a whole different perspective on what is thought of Paterno.
 

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Chocolate Lab;4245281 said:
Wow... Wow. I read that guy's blog, and while he obviously disliked Paterno even many years ago when he worked for him, it's pretty damning even if the guy did exaggerate a bit.

But honestly, it doesn't surprise me, either. I've been saying all along that almost all coaches who run mammothly powerful football programs like this have a power-hungry and egotistical side to them, even if the outside world never sees it.

http://mattpaknis.blogspot.com/

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Does this look like the home of an egotistical power hungry multimillionaire?
 

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Cajuncowboy;4245301 said:
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Does this look like the home of an egotistical power hungry multimillionaire?

I don't think looking at the type of home Paterno lives in would say anything about whether he is an egotistical power hungry person or not. There are different types of egotistical, power hungry people out there. For some the type of home they live in matters. For others it does not. The money and what comes with it can just be a side note to what they get from the power itself.
 

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Cajuncowboy;4245295 said:
My real regret is that the whole dang story can't be told. It wouldn't absolve Paterno but it would certainly put a whole different perspective on what is thought of Paterno.

Why not? That is just a rhetorical question. I get that it isn't your place to talk about what you promised not to mention, but there is nothing stopping others from telling the whole story. That includes Paterno himself. The whole story can be told. There is nothing preventing that. Will it be told is a whole different thing.
 

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joseephuss;4245393 said:
Why not? That is just a rhetorical question. I get that it isn't your place to talk about what you promised not to mention, but there is nothing stopping others from telling the whole story. That includes Paterno himself. The whole story can be told. There is nothing preventing that. Will it be told is a whole different thing.

Because Joe can't tell it because he doesn't have the whole story and the one who has the whole story isn't going to say anything more. I will say this, this goes beyond the Sandusky thing. In the end, Paterno was a small bit player who through no fault of his own, got caught up in it and was put between a rock and a hard place. Still, he should have done more. Notice how Paterno said "He should have done more"? He didn't say he should have gone to the police.
 

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Chocolate Lab;4245281 said:
Wow... Wow. I read that guy's blog, and while he obviously disliked Paterno even many years ago when he worked for him, it's pretty damning even if the guy did exaggerate a bit.

But honestly, it doesn't surprise me, either. I've been saying all along that almost all coaches who run mammothly powerful football programs like this have a power-hungry and egotistical side to them, even if the outside world never sees it.

http://mattpaknis.blogspot.com/
I don't think that is always the case.

More often than not, I don't think that all coaches are necessarily power-hungry and egotistical, but once they have success, the power, the $$$, the prestige heaped upon them changes them. Not saying that is the case with Paterno, but I think that's what happens with a lot of people (like many of our political leaders).
 

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Cajuncowboy;4245301 said:


Does this look like the home of an egotistical power hungry multimillionaire?

What does his beach house in Avalon, NJ look like?
 

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Anyone see the Costas-Sandusky interview that just played on NBC?

When asked if he was sexually attracted to young boys, he struggled to answer the question before finally saying no.
 

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Cajuncowboy;4246842 said:
So says McQueary.

exactly, complete BS. So he broke it up, then left the area while Sundusky took the boy home? The fact that to this day, the boy is unidentified really proves that he did nothing.
 

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Manwiththeplan;4246861 said:
exactly, complete BS. So he broke it up, then left the area while Sundusky took the boy home? The fact that to this day, the boy is unidentified really proves that he did nothing.


Supposedly Sandusky's defense team has found him or think they found him. That is what Sandusky's lawyer told Bob Costas tonight.
 
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