Penn State Sex Abuse Scandal (Indictment Post #144, "Pimping" Allegations Post #442)

[Cajuncowboy]

I'd be perfectly content with leaving it at that. Cajun doesn't want to do that. He wants to continue to tease posters with information that he says we all need to know, but he won't tell us. If he has the information, he should do one of two things... 1) stop teasing people, or 2) share the info.

If he's going to continue teasing and not share the info, he should be called on it.

Want to show me the law that says I have to betray someone who asked me not to divulge details to a bunch of internet lawyers and posters? At least some people still have integrity.

 

[Hoofbite]

Trust me, I KNOW what I'm talking about.

I just took a blood oath and am sworn to secrecy and I cannot divulge anything of what I KNOW. Don't believe me? I don't care.

But when the part of the story that you don't know comes out, I'll let you KNOW that I KNEW!!!

 

[Rogah]

See, now yu are just ticked off with me because I caught you in a lie about what you said about the PSU graduates. Everyone knows you got caught lying about your own posts and you need to find a way to belittle me.

Well, whatever. We know you lied so you carry very little weight with me or anyone who cares to deal with honest people.

No, you misrepresented what I said - either deliberately or because you simply didn't understand my words. And now since you're alienating just about everybody in this thread with your "I know something you don't know" routine, you're desperately trying to change the subject and deflect attention.

I stand by my statements made in the other thread, especially now that the PSU career center itself is taking steps to deal with the very problem I said could happen; the same problem you said was a "stupid assumption" and something only a "complete and utter moron" would consider. I guess the folks at the PSU career center are complete and utter morons too.

 

[bbgun]

IMHO, PSU should have canceled the rest of the season out of respect to the victims. Fans, players and students are in too much of a hurry to get "back to normal."

 

[MichaelWinicki]

IMHO, PSU should have canceled the rest of the season out of respect to the victims. Fans, players and students are in too much of a hurry to get "back to normal."

The trouble is you end up hurting a lot of peopel, i.e. the players who didn't contribute to this problem.

I think if they turn down their bowl bid that would be enough.

 

[bbgun]

The trouble is you end up hurting a lot of peopel, i.e. the players who didn't contribute to this problem.

I think if they turn down their bowl bid that would be enough.

Well, innocent people were hurt when the NFL canceled games in the wake of JFK's assassination. Innocent NCAA players get hurt when their school gets the "death penalty." File it under 'life isn't fair."

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well, innocent people were hurt when the NFL canceled games in the wake of JFK's assassination. Innocent NCAA players get hurt when their school gets the "death penalty." File it under 'life isn't fair."

Whatever BB...

 

[casmith07]

STOP the bickering and get back to discussing the facts of the case. I'm not naming names, but you know what to do.

Keep it about Sandusky and his sleaze of an attorney.

 

[Rogah]

Well, innocent people were hurt when the NFL canceled games in the wake of JFK's assassination. Innocent NCAA players get hurt when their school gets the "death penalty." File it under 'life isn't fair."

The NFL didn't cancel (or even reschedule) games in the wake of JFK's assassination. Commissioner Pete Rozelle would later lament that decision as the worst of his career.

I don't think there has ever actually been a cancelled regular season NFL game in the modern era (besides labor stoppages). There have been a number of reschedulings (sometimes in different venues) due to events such as 9/11, hurricanes and the Metrodome roof caving in but I don't think they ever cancelled any.

 

[casmith07]

Well, innocent people were hurt when the NFL canceled games in the wake of JFK's assassination. Innocent NCAA players get hurt when their school gets the "death penalty." File it under 'life isn't fair."

Comparing the cancelation of NFL games in the wake of the assassination of an American President to the idea of levying the NCAA "death penalty" on the school because one creep was raping kids is a bit of a stretch, man.

 

[bbgun]

The NFL didn't cancel (or even reschedule) games in the wake of JFK's assassination. Commissioner Pete Rozelle would later lament that decision as the worst of his career.

Crap, you're right. Seems like everything was canceled that weekend save for the NFL.

Comparing the cancelation of NFL games in the wake of the assassination of an American President to the idea of levying the NCAA "death penalty" on the school because one creep was raping kids is a bit of a stretch, man.

I gave two scenarios in which play might be suspended. I never implied that they were equally serious or had to be in order for innocent parties to get hurt. Nor are we talking about the sins of "one" creep. It was more of an institutional failing, hence the serial dismissals.

 

[casmith07]

I gave two scenarios in which play might be suspended. I never implied that they were equally serious or had to be in order for innocent parties to get hurt. Nor are we talking about the sins of "one" creep. It was more of an institutional failing, hence the serial dismissals.

I just don't see them handing down that penalty for something that has nothing to do with unfair recruitment practices, etc. Especially since the university has already cleaned house from top to bottom.

Watching Anderson Cooper 360 and they're talking about the secrecy.

 

[Rogah]

I gave two scenarios in which play might be suspended. I never implied that they were equally serious or had to be in order for innocent parties to get hurt. Nor are we talking about the sins of "one" creep. It was more of an institutional failing, hence the serial dismissals.

Your point is a valid one; i.e. if I understand you correctly, you're essentially saying that people being punished for things which are not their fault is something that happens all the time.

In this case, I have mixed emotions but ultimately I can't blame Penn State or the Big 10 for continuing with the season. Cancelling would be a big hassle and probably more than a little expensive. I can't imagine Ohio State or Wisconsin (or the rest of the conference) would be terribly pleased if they had to refund all that lost ticket money from those upcoming games.

I'm not trying to be flip when I say this, but fact is the Penn State is going to need just about every penny they can scrape together given all the legal liability they are facing. So right now is probably not the best time to just flush a couple million down the drain.

 

[bbgun]

I just don't see them handing down that penalty for something that has nothing to do with unfair recruitment practices, etc. Especially since the university has already cleaned house from top to bottom.

I'm talking about the school voluntary canceling the rest of the season, not the NCAA forcing them to.

Your point is a valid one; i.e. if I understand you correctly, you're essentially saying that people being punished for things which are not their fault is something that happens all the time.

In this case, I have mixed emotions but ultimately I can't blame Penn State or the Big 10 for continuing with the season. Cancelling would be a big hassle and probably more than a little expensive. I can't imagine Ohio State or Wisconsin (or the rest of the conference) would be terribly pleased if they had to refund all that lost ticket money from those upcoming games.

I'm not trying to be flip when I say this, but fact is the Penn State is going to need just about every penny they can scrape together given all the legal liability they are facing. So right now is probably not the best time to just flush a couple million down the drain.

Money > decency. Same as it ever was.

 

[casmith07]

I'm talking about the school voluntary canceling the rest of the season, not the NCAA forcing them to.

They should have done it already if they were going to do it. But the kids shouldn't be not allowed to play because of it.

It's a disaster from top to bottom.

 

[VietCowboy]

great article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/opinion/brooks-lets-all-feel-superior.html?src=me&ref=general

People are really good at self-deception. We attend to the facts we like and suppress the ones we don’t. We inflate our own virtues and predict we will behave more nobly than we actually do.

We can all sit here and pretend we are better people, and some of us are, but most of us are not. How many times has something like this happened, and bystander effect takes effect, or we turn a blind eye. Seriously, it happens too often to be an anomaly.

I have personally been called "snitch is a b" because I reported a hazing incident and got the chapter and those in the chapter in serious trouble, but at great social cost (during the time, I was pretty much ostrasized for reporting the hazing incident. Thankfully, I moved out of state not too long afterwards). I still cannot look or interact with those women at national events knowing the kinds of persons they are.

 

[gmoney112]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how old is Jerry Sandusky's boyfriend?

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

So freaking creepy.

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Costas did a hell of a job.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I'm for the school cancelling the season because sports in school are a privilege, not a right.

We don't know just how many people knew about Sandusky...particularly in the coaching staff. We don't know if the entire coaching staff knew. We don't know what players know (although I doubt any of them had substantial evidence).

It was not until Friday that Paterno was the first one to mention the words about helping to get the truth out. And given his prior actions *that week*, it's apparent that Paterno and most of the rest of the school...whether it be admiinstrators or the student body...really don't care about the victims...or at least not nearly as much as they care about their football program.

Cancelling the rest of the season sends a very clear message that these type of coverups will not be tolerated in the future and that the school is much bigger than the football program and the school will work to help investigators uncover the entire truth.

If I was a Penn State *player*, I would want that since I would be associated with the school.







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[03EBZ06]

http://espn.go.com/college-football...dal-lawyer-says-client-testify-jerry-sandusky

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- A new judge was assigned Wednesday to handle the child sex abuse charges against former Penn State football assistant coach Jerry Sandusky, whose televised defense earlier this week drew a rebuke from a lawyer for one of his accusers.


The change removed a State College judge with ties to a charity founded by Sandusky for at-risk children, The Second Mile.


Harrisburg attorney Ben Andreozzi said he represents a client who will testify against Sandusky, who is accused of abusing eight boys, some on campus, over 15 years.


"I am appalled by the fact that Mr. Sandusky has elected to re-victimize these young men at a time when they should be healing," Andreozzi said in a statement released by his office. "He fully intends to testify that he was severely sexually assaulted by Mr. Sandusky."


Sandusky's lawyer, Joe Amendola, appeared with him on NBC's "Rock Center" on Monday night and cast doubt on the evidence in the case.
"We anticipate we're going to have at least several of those kids come forward and say, 'This never happened. This is me. This is the allegation. It never occurred,' " Amendola said.


Andreozzi said he has his "finger on the pulse" of the case and knows of no accusers changing their stories or refusing to testify.


"To the contrary, others are actually coming forward, and I will have more information for you later this week," Andreozzi said.