Peyton Manning is Over Rated

[neosapien23]

After all is said is done, this over rated QB can now only be measured by how many Super Bowl rings he delivers.

He'll be 30 by the time the season starts. I believe he'll have his ring by the time he retires.

I believe he is a little over rated, only because the great ones are clutch in clutch situations. Still doesnt discount what he does for 16 games in a season.

Elway had the same dilema

Did Elway have a running back likeEdgerrin James before Terrel Davis came out? I'm not saying that he didn't it, I'm just asking because I don't know.

 

[Calicowboy]

Did Elway have a running back likeEdgerrin James before Terrel Davis came out? I'm not saying that he didn't it, I'm just asking because I don't know.

No, truthfully, I cant remember a single RB, until Terrell

 

[TobiasEagle77]

I agree he is over-rated. I think he's the most over-rated player in football, maybe all of sports. To back that statement up, let me first define over-rated: To overestimate the merits of; rate too highly.

Two elements.
- How is he rated. It is quite often stated that he is THE BEST quarterback today. I've even heard him called THE BEST ever! HOGWASH!
- How has he performed. Very well, except when he performs very very bad i.e. faces a playoff defense. He has certainly done nothing to merit any kind of discussion that he's the best today, let alone ever to play.

People will inevitably point out his padtastic stats. I think we all agree that surrounding talent influences production. I question whether ANY quarterback has ever had the kind of surrounding talent Peyton has. He's got a former 1st rounder at nearly every skill position on offense.

So yes, I think he's very over-rated :

 

[neosapien23]

No, truthfully, I cant remember a single RB, until Terrell

I'm not tryin to make exuses for Elway, but he didn't have the weapons Peyton has. He didn't have a running game until Terrell came along. We all saw what happened when he finally got a runner. I can guarantee that the Boys would not have won the superbowl without Emmitt.

 

[TobiasEagle77]

Yeah Peyton Manning was the one who booted that FG 40 foot wide right of the post. I guess that explains why it was such a horrible kick then.....

That kick is irrelevant because it never should have happened.

 

[Hostile]

After all is said is done, this over rated QB can now only be measured by how many Super Bowl rings he delivers.

He'll be 30 by the time the season starts. I believe he'll have his ring by the time he retires.

I believe he is a little over rated, only because the great ones are clutch in clutch situations. Still doesnt discount what he does for 16 games in a season.

Elway had the same dilema

I agree with you. I don't know how anyone can call him over rated and in the same breath talk about it takes a whole team.

I wouldn't bet money he can't win one or more before he hangs them up. Tony Dungy has never won one either. I wouldn't bet against him or call him over rated either. Same as Dan Marino and Dan Fouts. Calling them overrated is laughable.

Manning has no excuse for this year, but no way is he overrated. He does stuff no one else can. His problem is that he's so good it is assumed that means he can't fail. That isn't overrated, that's recognition.

 

[neosapien23]

That kick is irrelevant because it never should have happened.

Exactly Peyton was already given a mulligan with his earlier interception. Anyone think there was any truth to Jerry Porter's allegations?

 

[WV Cowboy]

That kick is irrelevant because it never should have happened.

It happened, so it IS relevant.

Had he made it, you could have asked the Steelers how relevant it was.

[dreaming]... If only Harper would have cut it outside towards the sidelines on Bettis' fumble, I probably would still have not gotten to sleep, ... even today !! That would have been the best ever ![/dreaming]

 

[kojak]

That kick is irrelevant because it never should have happened.

Yeah the kick is relevant because I don't see how a missed FG labels a QB as being overrated. Peyton put the team in position to tie the game. After that it's out of his hands.

 

[neosapien23]

Yeah the kick is relevant because I don't see how a missed FG labels a QB as being overrated. Peyton put the team in position to tie the game. After that it's out of his hands.

Thats a valid point, but Peyton's interception should have slammed his position to tie the game shut. Peyton is not overrated and is a great quarterback, but he didn't play very well last Sunday.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Manning is the best QB by far in the NFL. His problem is he calls his own plays on offense. Not the OC like every other team and I think that gets to him in the big games. Also if you notice the teams he has the most trouble with are the ones that run the 34. If I where the OC when playing 34D's I'd call the plays not manning.

FYI Marino who is known as the BEST QB ever also chocked in the big games does that mean he's not the best QB ever? No

Ben is a decent QB with a great team around him.

I think Eli will be a good QB but IMO the jury is still out on him. Next season will tell all for his future.

EDIT: Vick is the most over rated QB in History.... His passes are very rarely on target normally they are way high and exposes the receiver going to catch the ball. He's lucky to have Crumpler or he would suck even worse. Also their Defense keeps them in the games....I'd take Matt Schaub the back up over Vick any day...

Marion went to a Superbowl......
Peyton has not even gotten to a stones throw of one.....
Marino did not have nearly the talent around him that Peyton has ....
Marino had NO running game and his WR's were avg...Clayton /Duper...
That comparison makes little sense , marino getting to a superbowl should tell you that...

 

[kojak]

Thats a valid point, but Peyton's interception should have slammed his position to tie the game shut. Peyton is not overrated and is a great quarterback, but he didn't play very well last Sunday.

He may have looked flat the first 3 quarters. But came alive in the fourth quarter leading the team to two touchdown drives and a 2 point conversion. Plus drove them down the field after the Bus had fumbled. Put the team in the position to tie the game. What more could you have asked from him?

 

[Doomsday101]

He may have looked flat the first 3 quarters. But came alive in the fourth quarter leading the team to two touchdown drives and a 2 point conversion. Plus drove them down the field after the Bus had fumbled. Put the team in the position to tie the game. What more could you have asked from him?

He could have kicked the FG. LOL

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

After all is said is done, this over rated QB can now only be measured by how many Super Bowl rings he delivers.

He'll be 30 by the time the season starts. I believe he'll have his ring by the time he retires.

I believe he is a little over rated, only because the great ones are clutch in clutch situations. Still doesnt discount what he does for 16 games in a season.

Elway had the same dilema

Elway went to 2 superbowls early in his career....
I do not think that Elway at the time was getting the Peyton Manning choker stuff...
He was getting the If he wins a superbowl he will then be one of the best QB's of all time ,but it would be hard to give that distinction to a QB that never won one.....
Also back then it was said quite often that if he won a superbowl it would make him a lock for the H.O.F.


I think there was quite of bit of difference in how they were preceived...

 

[InDakWeTrust]

Yes the Colts choked, they clearly were unable to provide protection and even on the check downs the Steelers defense was Johnny on the spot in stopping the play as soon as the catch was made. Manning clearly share in the blame as well but again if you watched the game and all you came away with is Manning choked then I'm guessing we did not watch the same game because the loss went well beyond Manning alone.

Actually I meant the Colts and Steelers as a whole, they both seem to choke in big games like the Divisional and Conference games. IMO Manning choked because he didnt step up and win the game for them, if he did then I wouldnt call be a choker. Sure it falls on other players and the coaches, but your team leader must step up and carry the team.

 

[kojak]

He could have kicked the FG. LOL

He would of have come closer than Vandershank did.

 

[Bach]

Maybe Edgerrin James is over-rated. Or the Colts defense that gave up 14 first quarter points. Or Tony Dungy.

To tell you the truth, the Colts lost that close game to San Diego, and then Dungy's son died and they really hadn't been the same since. They went through the motions the final two weeks of the playoffs resting guys and were then off the wildcard weekend.

Manning isn't infallible, but he is definitely not overrated. The last few years the Colts haven't had much of a defense. They ran into the Pats two years in a row who were a much better all around team. I dont' see that as a Manning vs. Brady situation as much as it was a Colts vs. Patriots and Dungy vs. Belichick deal. You give the Colts Tom Brady and they are still looking for their first Super Bowl appearance since the early 70's.

 

[kojak]

Maybe Edgerrin James is over-rated. Or the Colts defense that gave up 14 first quarter points. Or Tony Dungy.

To tell you the truth, the Colts lost that close game to San Diego, and then Dungy's son died and they really hadn't been the same since. They went through the motions the final two weeks of the playoffs resting guys and were then off the wildcard weekend.

Manning isn't infallible, but he is definitely not overrated. The last few years the Colts haven't had much of a defense. They ran into the Pats two years in a row who were a much better all around team. I dont' see that as a Manning vs. Brady situation as much as it was a Colts vs. Patriots and Dungy vs. Belichick deal. You give the Colts Tom Brady and they are still looking for their first Super Bowl appearance since the early 70's.

 

[Sasquatch]

Maybe Edgerrin James is over-rated. Or the Colts defense that gave up 14 first quarter points. Or Tony Dungy.

To tell you the truth, the Colts lost that close game to San Diego, and then Dungy's son died and they really hadn't been the same since. They went through the motions the final two weeks of the playoffs resting guys and were then off the wildcard weekend.

Manning isn't infallible, but he is definitely not overrated. The last few years the Colts haven't had much of a defense. They ran into the Pats two years in a row who were a much better all around team. I dont' see that as a Manning vs. Brady situation as much as it was a Colts vs. Patriots and Dungy vs. Belichick deal. You give the Colts Tom Brady and they are still looking for their first Super Bowl appearance since the early 70's.

 

[Bach]

Elway went to 2 superbowls early in his career....
I do not think that Elway at the time was getting the Peyton Manning choker stuff...
He was getting the If he wins a superbowl he will then be one of the best QB's of all time ,but it would be hard to give that distinction to a QB that never won one.....

Look back in the 1980's, the NFC dominated the Super Bowls. I wonder how many Elway would've even made it to back then if Denver was in the NFC - probably zero.

Lately the AFC has been the dominant conference, led by New England.

So you're saying that since Elway got there in the 80's and lost that he should be looked at in better light than Manning - even though it is much more difficult getting there these days as an AFC team.

Look at the early-mid 90's. Buffalo went 4 years in a row. But it's very debateable that they were only the 3rd or 4th best team in the league some years behind Dallas, SF and/or Green Bay. If Buffalo had been in the NFC they wouldn't have made it to one Super Bowl. That's similar to Denver in the late 80's. But Elway will get a pass because he played in a weaker conference and got there but lost the big one.