Peyton Manning is Over Rated

[Hostile]

Maybe Edgerrin James is over-rated. Or the Colts defense that gave up 14 first quarter points. Or Tony Dungy.

To tell you the truth, the Colts lost that close game to San Diego, and then Dungy's son died and they really hadn't been the same since. They went through the motions the final two weeks of the playoffs resting guys and were then off the wildcard weekend.

Manning isn't infallible, but he is definitely not overrated. The last few years the Colts haven't had much of a defense. They ran into the Pats two years in a row who were a much better all around team. I dont' see that as a Manning vs. Brady situation as much as it was a Colts vs. Patriots and Dungy vs. Belichick deal. You give the Colts Tom Brady and they are still looking for their first Super Bowl appearance since the early 70's.

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[Maikeru-sama]

Manning's history of losing to teams that have just as much talent as his and a good defense goes all the way back to college.

He put's way too much pressure on himself and when the "you know what" hits the fan, he has noone else to rely on because he was the handling all the signal calls and major decisions.

One of God's many gifts is the gift to be level headed and stay calm, cool and collective under pressure.

I think Tom Brady and Troy Aikman have it.

I dont think Peyton Manning does.

When you move from Wild Card to Divisional to Conference and probably even the Super Bowl (if the Conferences are Even) you are going to face EXTREMELY good defenses, that is just the nature of the beast and how you win championships most of the time.

It isnt too strange to think this is why Tennessee won the National Title the year after he left.....

- Mike G.

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Look back in the 1980's, the NFC dominated the Super Bowls. I wonder how many Elway would've even made it to back then if Denver was in the NFC - probably zero.

Lately the AFC has been the dominant conference, led by New England.

So you're saying that since Elway got there in the 80's and lost that he should be looked at in better light than Manning - even though it is much more difficult getting there these days as an AFC team.

Look at the early-mid 90's. Buffalo went 4 years in a row. But it's very debateable that they were only the 3rd or 4th best team in the league some years behind Dallas, SF and/or Green Bay. If Buffalo had been in the NFC they wouldn't have made it to one Super Bowl. That's similar to Denver in the late 80's. But Elway will get a pass because he played in a weaker conference and got there but lost the big one.

truth is, I was not saying an opinon at all.
The fact is that back then the media and fans were not talking about Elway in a way where anyone thought he was a choker....
The things said about him were that to be considered one of the best all time he had to win the big one....


My opinion is....
Getting to the Superbowl is a feat in itself...
I do think fans fall in love with Mannings stats and do not see what is really there...
I think the NFl and media want to see the Manning's do well and want them to be the face of the NFL....

In my opinion when the playoffs come around the game gets faster and gose to a different level and I do not believe that P.Manning get to that level , for whatever reason.
Maybe it comes so easy for him in the regular season that when he get to the playoffs it is harder for him to adjust , I doubt that but who knows...

I think the Bills team you were refering to is one of the top teams of all time...
I always felt that it helped Dallas greatly that they were in probably the stongest divisions of all time...They played against the best all year then when they hit the playoffs it made it easier for them....

Maybe the 49ers were better than the Bills then ,but NO way Packers were ...Packers could not do anything til the Cowboys and 49ers were in their down ward spiral....

If Jimmy would have stayed Farve would have never won a S.B.

Yes I do think P.Manning is not what he is cracked up to be and No I would not want him on the Cowboys , because my goal is to win the big one and what is his playoff record 3-6 or 3-7

 

[TobiasEagle77]

He's a damn good quarterback

But he's still over-rated because he's rated higher than he should be. So many people have already crowned him the best to play the game, mostly because of his padtastic fantasy value and his theatric mime act. RATED TOO HIGHLY. Of course, it's all opinion

With respect to the field goal. You could go on with the "maybies" about every single team/quarterback that fell short. I could list about a dozen with respect to why the Eagles fell short last year - but I'm restraining myself. The thing that stands out above the maybes, for me, is that Peyton Manning underperformed. He had some luck with dropped interceptions, second chances, and what not, and just didn't get it done. The fact that he underperformed is what makes him a choker in my mind, and for the record, yes I think McNabb choked in the superbowl as well.

 

[Doomsday101]

Over rated or not I doubt too many HC would pass up a talent like Manning and would take him over the majority of QB's in this league.

 

[DIAF]

Choker choker blah blah.

Its like you all sit around and WAIT for the colts to lose for WHATEVER reason just so you can blame peyton.

Eli manning over peyton? Are you crazy? manning didnt lose that game last week, his kicker did. He brought them down the field only to have reggie wayne drop a TD pass and his kicker shank the mother of all shanks.

 

[Rack]

Choker choker blah blah.

Its like you all sit around and WAIT for the colts to lose for WHATEVER reason just so you can blame peyton.

Eli manning over peyton? Are you crazy? manning didnt lose that game last week, his kicker did. He brought them down the field only to have reggie wayne drop a TD pass and his kicker shank the mother of all shanks.

The kicker didn't lose the game. He just didn't win it. And if not for a fumble and a dumb DB, Payton wouldn't of even had a chance to bring them back. So...


Credit the defense for the opportunity to win, and also blame them (or just the DB) for not running it in for the TD (getting tackled by a QB is inexuseable).

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Choker choker blah blah.

Its like you all sit around and WAIT for the colts to lose for WHATEVER reason just so you can blame peyton.

Eli manning over peyton? Are you crazy? manning didnt lose that game last week, his kicker did. He brought them down the field only to have reggie wayne drop a TD pass and his kicker shank the mother of all shanks.

Yeah and once the playoff's begin we don't have to wait long...

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Marion went to a Superbowl......
Peyton has not even gotten to a stones throw of one.....
Marino did not have nearly the talent around him that Peyton has ....
Marino had NO running game and his WR's were avg...Clayton /Duper...
That comparison makes little sense , marino getting to a superbowl should tell you that...

I meant Marino went to a

 

[Charles]

I have been saying for years that Peyton Manning is a one dimensional QB. He is great in his dimension.........passing........like Dan Fouts, Marino, Elway and Troy.

Once he plays better or elite defenses, they are talented enough to limit his strenghts..........

Complete QBs like Elway, Staubach etc had the ability to improvise. Run.....run .......run ...........that is why they were complete QBs.

 

[jksmith269]

Marion went to a Superbowl......
Peyton has not even gotten to a stones throw of one.....
Marino did not have nearly the talent around him that Peyton has ....
Marino had NO running game and his WR's were avg...Clayton /Duper...
That comparison makes little sense , marino getting to a superbowl should tell you that...

What you say makes no sense. If Duper and Clayton where so average then how does he hold all those passing records? If you say a player is average who is in the top 50 of all time in receiving (both) and Clayton is 13 all time in Receiving TD's. Now a great QB will make a WR better but at the same time a Great WR makes a good qb look better. I'm not saying either but to say Duper and Clayton where average is wrong. Marino got to one SB when Manning is done lets see how many he gets to. Fact is he is the best QB in the NFL right now numbers wise. Now who would I take him or someone else the only other QB I would take at or over Peyton is Brady....

 

[Hostile]

He's a damn good quarterback

But he's still over-rated because he's rated higher than he should be. So many people have already crowned him the best to play the game, mostly because of his padtastic fantasy value and his theatric mime act. RATED TOO HIGHLY. Of course, it's all opinion

With respect to the field goal. You could go on with the "maybies" about every single team/quarterback that fell short. I could list about a dozen with respect to why the Eagles fell short last year - but I'm restraining myself. The thing that stands out above the maybes, for me, is that Peyton Manning underperformed. He had some luck with dropped interceptions, second chances, and what not, and just didn't get it done. The fact that he underperformed is what makes him a choker in my mind, and for the record, yes I think McNabb choked in the superbowl as well.

So, because so many people think he's good, he's actually overrated?

Take a close look, lots of people don't think he's so good. Maybe he's under rated then.

 

[TobiasEagle77]

So, because so many people think he's good, he's actually overrated?

Take a close look, lots of people don't think he's so good. Maybe he's under rated then.

To your first statement, yes.

To your second statement, I disagree. I don't think anyone has ever said he is not good. Even those who think he's overrated still think he's one of the best. Now, the dude, who started this thread... I believe was under-rating Peyton.

But I think more people over-rate him than under-rate him. So I think he's over-rated. But it's such a subjective label.

 

[kojak]

To your first statement, yes.

To your second statement, I disagree. I don't think anyone has ever said he is not good. Even those who think he's overrated still think he's one of the best. Now, the dude, who started this thread... I believe was under-rating Peyton.

But I think more people over-rate him than under-rate him. So I think he's over-rated. But it's such a subjective label.

Well I guess you would know, since you have the most overrated QB playing for your team.....

 

[TobiasEagle77]

Well I guess you would know, since you have the most overrated QB playing for your team.....

explain how you percieve McNabb being rated
and how you think he should be rated

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

explain how you percieve McNabb being rated
and how you think he should be rated

I would take Mcnabb over Peyton in a heart beat

 

[kojak]

explain how you percieve McNabb being rated
and how you think he should be rated

The same way the people rate Peyton. If you can't win the big games then you are officially overrated.

 

[TobiasEagle77]

The same way the people rate Peyton. If you can't win the big games then you are officially overrated.

Jon Kitna can't win the big games and I wouldn't call him over-rated. I also disagree that people rate McNabb as high as they do Manning.

 

[kojak]

Jon Kitna can't win the big games and I wouldn't call him over-rated. I also disagree that people rate McNabb as high as they do Manning.

Well why not. Mcnabb managed to lose three straight NFC championships games and then "lost ituke:" in the SB. I am sure there are folks that rate Mcnabb more than they do Peyton.

 

[Hostile]

To your first statement, yes.

To your second statement, I disagree. I don't think anyone has ever said he is not good. Even those who think he's overrated still think he's one of the best. Now, the dude, who started this thread... I believe was under-rating Peyton.

But I think more people over-rate him than under-rate him. So I think he's over-rated. But it's such a subjective label.

Let me bottom line it for you. No QB in the NFL right now would likely replicate his numbers in the Indy offense. Nor could they keep him on the bench if he was on the same team.

The guy is good. When you're good you aren't over rated. Too much can be dropped at your doorstep. I think that's what is happening with him. JMO. If you disagree that's fine, but I personally don't believe in over rated. Quite frankly it's a cop out.