Peyton, Romo Trust Issues

[CATCH17]

Never thought about it that way but since he'll be here next year what do we do?

Well there will be another year between the 2 so there is always that chance they get on the same page.

But if not.....

I would rotate Roy in and out with other receivers and just use him as a role player for us.

Austin is our big dog, obviously, and Roy may have to end up just being a part of the puzzle.

I've heard people like Laufenberg say that they don't think Roy will be able to hold off Ogletree much longer and he would be someone in the know.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Yeah but at the same time there has been times that Williams was open and was ignored....maybe not intentionally but ignored none the less.

True, but look at it this way.

When Tony Romo throws the ball to Jason Witten, good things seem to always happen.

When Tony Romo throws the ball to Miles Austin, good things seem to always happen.

You can make somewhat an argument for Patrick Crayton.

However, when he throws the ball to Roy Williams, it is a totally toss up as to what will happen.

So instinctively and by Human Nature, what would expect Tony Romo to do?

Not to mention the other aspect which is Roy Williams making excuses as to why he doesn't perform. It's the lights got in his eyes, he didn't have Tony Romo's Cellphone number last year, he was injured, only gets 2 looks a game so he has to make the most of it, he now has to get 300 yards in a game to match Miles Austin, he has the best hands in the NFC etc etc etc.

It is up to Roy Williams to make Tony Romo comfortable and trust him, not the other way around.

 

[CATCH17]

Tony throws a lot of jump balls to Austin. I don't think that it's an issue of Roy's style, I think that it's an issue of Roy's lack of proximity to his assigned route.

I can think of 1 time all year that he did that wasn't by a play design that forced him to and that was against the Chiefs.

 

[birdwells1]

Well there will be another year between the 2 so there is always that chance they get on the same page.

But if not.....

I would rotate Roy in and out with other receivers and just use him as a role player for us.

Austin is our big dog, obviously, and Roy may have to end up just being a part of the puzzle.

I've heard people like Laufenberg say that they don't think Roy will be able to hold off Ogletree much longer and he would be someone in the know.

Yeah I really like what Ogletree did in his limited playing time. If Romo trusts him more and will throw to him then he needs to play, RW contract or not. I just want production out of that side of the field because I think it like trying to fight with one hand tied behind your back.

 

[Doomsay]

Never thought about it that way but since he'll be here next year what do we do?

Run him 10-15 times a game in the red zone where the routes are limited in time and complexity. Use the other 30-40 snaps developing Ogletree, so that we have a viable threat/hot read for Tony come playoff time.

 

[birdwells1]

True, but look at it this way.

When Tony Romo throws the ball to Jason Witten, good things seem to always happen.

When Tony Romo throws the ball to Miles Austin, good things seem to always happen.

You can make somewhat an argument for Patrick Crayton.

However, when he throws the ball to Roy Williams, it is a totally toss up as to what will happen.

So instinctively and by Human Nature, what would expect Tony Romo to do?

Not to mention the other aspect which is Roy Williams making excuses as to why he doesn't perform. It's the lights got in his eyes, he didn't have Tony Romo's Cellphone number last year, he was injured, only gets 2 looks a game so he has to make the most of it, he now has to get 300 yards in a game to match Miles Austin, he has the best hands in the NFC etc etc etc.

It is up to Roy Williams to make Tony Romo comfortable and trust him, not the other way around.

It's the old chicken and egg argument. How can Romo get comfortable with him unless he throws to him in the game?

 

[Maikeru-sama]

It's the old chicken and egg argument. How can Romo get comfortable with him unless he throws to him in the game?

He did.

Roy Williams had 5 catches in the 1st Half of the Philadelphia Playoff Game.

But in a really tight situation, like the Minnesota Game, who you going to throw the ball too, Jason Witten/Patrick Crayton/Miles Austin or Roy Williams?

Tony Romo knows those 3 guys are going to be where they need to be when he actually got time to throw the ball, Roy Williams not so much.

Roy Williams and his $13 Million price tag will be here next Season, so hopefully they can get their "issues" worked out.

However, Roy Williams whining after the Minnesota Game probably didn't help much.

 

[thechosen1n2]

True, but look at it this way.

When Tony Romo throws the ball to Jason Witten, good things seem to always happen.

When Tony Romo throws the ball to Miles Austin, good things seem to always happen.

You can make somewhat an argument for Patrick Crayton.

However, when he throws the ball to Roy Williams, it is a totally toss up as to what will happen.

So instinctively and by Human Nature, what would expect Tony Romo to do?

Not to mention the other aspect which is Roy Williams making excuses as to why he doesn't perform. It's the lights got in his eyes, he didn't have Tony Romo's Cellphone number last year, he was injured, only gets 2 looks a game so he has to make the most of it, he now has to get 300 yards in a game to match Miles Austin, he has the best hands in the NFC etc etc etc.

It is up to Roy Williams to make Tony Romo comfortable and trust him, not the other way around.

I agree, but it will be to romos benefit, and the teams so half the field wont be cutoff. So for the teams sake (which i care about more than romo or roy individually) romo might have to take the initiative.

 

[Doomsay]

I can think of 1 time all year that he did that wasn't by a play design that forced him to and that was against the Chiefs.

There have been others, that was certainly a memorable one though. Tony has thrown the high ball to Roy (Wildcard Game) but too often he drops or deflects them.

 

[birdwells1]

I agree, but it will be to romos benefit, and the teams so half the field wont be cutoff. So for the teams sake (which i care about more than romo or roy individually) romo might have to take the initiative.

Yeah, I know it doesn't sound right but Romo's going to have to be the one to take the first step in this. We have to be able to attack the entire field. I hope we are finally looking to draft some speed at the wr to stretch the field.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Tony throws a lot of jump balls to Austin. I don't think that it's an issue of Roy's style, I think that it's an issue of Roy's lack of proximity to his assigned route.

Bingo and not to mention he runs incredibly sloppy routes.

You can talk about Garcon/Coliie all you want, but drops or no drops they run very crisp routes and seem to be on the same page with there qb.

 

[CATCH17]

There have been others, that was certainly a memorable one though. Tony has thrown the high ball to Roy (Wildcard Game) but too often he drops or deflects them.

I just can't recall that many and if there were some type of stat on this I would guess he would be towards the very bottom of QB's who do it.

Its just not his style.

 

[TNCowboy]

I just can't recall that many and if there were some type of stat on this I would guess he would be towards the very bottom of QB's who do it.

Its just not his style.

Let me get this straight. Romo should change his "style" to accomodate RW?

It looks to me like Roy is just playing at a speed a notch lower than everyone else, and it doesn't help that he drops catchable balls too often.

IMO, Roy isn't worth changing anything. 2 years of less than mediocre productivity. When given the chance, Crayton is the better player. I think the only thing that might motivate Williams is to have to fight for a roster spot, or at least a starting spot. That he was a pro bowler 5 years ago is irrelevant at this point. If he's the same guy next training camp, all his presence will do is hinder the team.

 

[TheDude]

Roy would be better off with someone like Favre because Romo isn't going to throw you the ball unless you are open.


You think Sidney Rice would've had the same year here in Dallas? No way.

I don't think a Plaxico Burress in his prime would do well here in Dallas either.

Its just not Romos style to put some air under a pass and let his guy make a play.

So that tells me Roy doesn't really fit in with what our QB likes.

This is an excellent post. I think the only thing Romo needs to work on now is being able to fire the ball to a spot even when his receivers look covered initially. He can do this and has, but I think he has been in a system where there has always been a wide open guy (TO, Witten, Austin) if the play can extend for just a second. He is not as good at it as Manning or even Farve for the most part (sans the across the body throws).

Those immediate throws like Manning mastered indicates trust with the recievers. But i think Peyton works with his receivers on whole more than Romo does. I don't think that is all on Romo, I doubt TO ran routes til he puked nor RW. And other than Austin, I haven't seen many receivers "fight" for the ball. I think that is the final step.

 

[CATCH17]

Let me get this straight. Romo should change his "style" to accomodate RW?

It looks to me like Roy is just playing at a speed a notch lower than everyone else, and it doesn't help that he drops catchable balls too often.

IMO, Roy isn't worth changing anything. 2 years of less than mediocre productivity. When given the chance, Crayton is the better player. I think the only thing that might motivate Williams is to have to fight for a roster spot, or at least a starting spot. That he was a pro bowler 5 years ago is irrelevant at this point. If he's the same guy next training camp, all his presence will do is hinder the team.

Absolutely not. We are trying to be Romo friendly here.

Im just saying if he doesn't develop into the type of receiver that Romo prefers than I would just salvage this thing the best I could and rotate Roy in and out.

The only player we should accommodate to offensively is Romo.

If he doesn't like throwing passes that give his receivers a chance to make a play when covered then thats fine by me.

 

[CATCH17]

This is an excellent post. I think the only thing Romo needs to work on now is being able to fire the ball to a spot even when his receivers look covered initially. He can do this and has, but I think he has been in a system where there has always been a wide open guy (TO, Witten, Austin) if the play can extend for just a second. He is not as good at it as Manning or even Farve for the most part (sans the across the body throws).

Those immediate throws like Manning mastered indicates trust with the recievers. But i think Peyton works with his receivers on whole more than Romo does. I don't think that is all on Romo, I doubt TO ran routes til he puked nor RW. And other than Austin, I haven't seen many receivers "fight" for the ball. I think that is the final step.

Nobody is though. Manning may be the most skilled QB of all time.

He is so good that he is boring to watch. Like the NFL's Tim Duncan.

Im still a Brady > Manning guy because Manning to me is still to robotish but his skillset is crazy.


IMO Roys Skillset isn't the type of skills Romo likes in a receiver.

We need Reggie Wayne types of receivers here and not your big physical guys who will make plays when covered.

 

[birdwells1]

Nobody is though. Manning may be the most skilled QB of all time.

He is so good that he is boring to watch. Like the NFL's Tim Duncan.

Im still a Brady > Manning guy because Manning to me is still to robotish but his skillset is crazy.


IMO Roys Skillset isn't the type of skills Romo likes in a receiver.

We need Reggie Wayne types of receivers here and not your big physical guys who will make plays when covered.

I agree, and I think Ogletree fits that mold. He kinda reminds me of the Rams GSOT wrs Holt and Bruce fast and quick not lumbering. I just hope they allow the best wr to line up across from Austin.

 

[ctalker]

Manning is an elite passer at the top of his game. He makes the WR's around him better. Not sure we would know who Garcon or Collie are in another team. Not sure this is a good comparison, maybe one day.

Roy and Romo just do not have Chemistry. Roy has dropped plenty of passes and it's also true that many of Romo's throws are high or behind Williams. I don't think Roy is as bad as his numbers indicate but it just might not work out for him here.

 

[TheDude]

Tat why Romo needs to learn to use those WR types more (and our WRs need to be better using that attribute). Manning can throw it to a covered receiver within a 6" window most of the time. Romo is accurate but he is more Farveish in style (and that is not a bad thing). However, Farve has always had a Receiver that can get the ball (Sharpe, Driver, Rice) Brady's best year was his first year with Moss.

Just because Romo may not "like that type" doesn't mean he should not learn to use them

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Manning has worked with these young guys throughout last summer and during the season. Roy Williams and Romo must get on the same page or this team won't get to the promise land. But the offensive line must protect better as well!