Peyton, Romo Trust Issues

[DanTanna]

Roy runs sloppy lazy routes. When Roy rounds off a route a perfectly thrown ball hits him in the shin. We don't need that and we don't want that. Collie, Garcon and Austin are superior route runners and appear to at least try. Roy gives up on routes way to often only to have the ball land 5 yards in front of him to his surprise. He has to start trying.

 

[yimyammer]

First, I'll start by saying that I'm no RW fan and have been thoroughly dissapointed with his performance but if he's going to be out there Romo has got to utilize him. If Peyton can trust a rookie (Collie) and a 2nd year guy (Garcon) then I think Romo and Garrett can trust RW. Garcon and Collie had combined for 4 receptions before this year where as RW had numerous NFL receptions. I've said before that RW just didn't forget how to catch the football when he came to Dallas, it more of a confidence issue.

If Peyton would have went into this season saying "I've got two guys I can trust (Wayne and Clark) and that's who I'm going to throw to" they would've been much easier to defend. Peyton started off the year throwing to the two new guys early and often to let defense know that they were going to have to defend the whole field. He also needed to build a rappore with them and build up their confidence. Because he did this during the season it paid dividend in the post season.

It's the QB and OC job to get the ball to all recievers on the field and it's the recievers job to make plays. You can not just blatantly go away from your number 2 wr and expect to be successful in the playoffs. RW needs to regain his confidence but he can't do that without the ball being thrown his way. Romo needs to regain confidence in him but he can't do that without throwing to him.

If RW is every going to resemble the player he was in Detroit, like it or not, it begins with Romo.

Did you see the way Collie and Garcon attack the ball, run crisp routes and their great hands? They're reliable as hell, that's why Peyton trusts them

Roy, not so much.....

Our wonderful GM gets credit for the Roy fiasco

 

[TheDude]

I dont think it will matter....RW is just not that good.

Prime example, Romo isn't even a starter for the first 6 games of 2006, He immediately comes in and builds a rapport with ROmo. MIles has been here in practice since 2006, but the first time he starts, he goes for 250.

Roy has been here for 27 games and has yet to break 1000 yds. Most gave him a pass for last year, which I still think was way too generous, but there is no excuse this year. He is what we thought he was.

I don't think we have many "perfectionists", like Manning. I don't hear about the WRs running routes until they puke like Irvin, etc.

I think ROmo has taken that step this year, but the coaches (esp off) just don't seem to preach it. I could be wrong, but most of the ridulous penalties, gaffes and miscommunications are on the offensive side.

 

[TNCowboy]

Im still a Brady > Manning guy because Manning to me is still to robotish but his skillset is crazy.

Robot or not, he gets it done better than anyone.

When I look at the whole Manning does, I think he's the greatest player I've ever seen. I won't say all time, because I never really saw the great players from the 70s and before, but of the guys I've seen, I don't think he has an equal.

 

[TNCowboy]

Absolutely not. We are trying to be Romo friendly here.

Im just saying if he doesn't develop into the type of receiver that Romo prefers than I would just salvage this thing the best I could and rotate Roy in and out.

The only player we should accommodate to offensively is Romo.

If he doesn't like throwing passes that give his receivers a chance to make a play when covered then thats fine by me.

I'm in complete agreement with that. Romo is all that matters on our offense. Everything else that has to be done is just to support him.

It's not a coincidence that it's the same way for the two guys who'll be under center 2 weeks from now in Miami.

 

[Daudr]

First, I'll start by saying that I'm no RW fan and have been thoroughly dissapointed with his performance but if he's going to be out there Romo has got to utilize him. If Peyton can trust a rookie (Collie) and a 2nd year guy (Garcon) then I think Romo and Garrett can trust RW. Garcon and Collie had combined for 4 receptions before this year where as RW had numerous NFL receptions. I've said before that RW just didn't forget how to catch the football when he came to Dallas, it more of a confidence issue.

If Peyton would have went into this season saying "I've got two guys I can trust (Wayne and Clark) and that's who I'm going to throw to" they would've been much easier to defend. Peyton started off the year throwing to the two new guys early and often to let defense know that they were going to have to defend the whole field. He also needed to build a rappore with them and build up their confidence. Because he did this during the season it paid dividend in the post season.

It's the QB and OC job to get the ball to all recievers on the field and it's the recievers job to make plays. You can not just blatantly go away from your number 2 wr and expect to be successful in the playoffs. RW needs to regain his confidence but he can't do that without the ball being thrown his way. Romo needs to regain confidence in him but he can't do that without throwing to him.

If RW is every going to resemble the player he was in Detroit, like it or not, it begins with Romo.

Put down the crack pipe. If Romo "had gone into this season saying he only had two receivers he could trust" (Witten and Crayton), then we would NEVER have seen Austin turn into the player he has become.

You EARN trust - it is not blindly given.

 

[CATCH17]

Manning is an elite passer at the top of his game. He makes the WR's around him better. Not sure we would know who Garcon or Collie are in another team. Not sure this is a good comparison, maybe one day.

Roy and Romo just do not have Chemistry. Roy has dropped plenty of passes and it's also true that many of Romo's throws are high or behind Williams. I don't think Roy is as bad as his numbers indicate but it just might not work out for him here.

But they are good route runners too.

A couple of guys in the draft who would fit that mold for us would be Damien Williams and Jordan Shipley.

I think guys like that are who Romo would like to throw the ball too.

 

[TheDude]

Did you see the way Collie and Garcon attack the ball, run crisp routes and their great hands? They're reliable as hell, that's why Peyton trusts them

Roy, not so much.....

Our wonderful GM gets credit for the Roy fiasco

I have to throw Garrett in there also. He had to give a green light. The issue with Garrett is that he kept Miles on the bench opposite TO and delayed Miles development a year. He kept Felix on the bench (i.e. only getting his first 10 touch game in the last week of this year). He kept Brad Johnson as the best backup QB option, etc.

I think next year you will see more attention to Austin and we will be looking for a deep threat to get the attention off of him, and since we have RW, Ogletree or a Rookie will be buried.

 

[birdwells1]

I'm in complete agreement with that. Romo is all that matters on our offense. Everything else that has to be done is just to support him.

It's not a coincidence that it's the same way for the two guys who'll be under center 2 weeks from now in Miami.

I think benching RW and for that matter Barber and just let the better more productive talent play, enough of the politics (contracts and draft status).

 

[Daudr]

Nobody is though. Manning may be the most skilled QB of all time.

He is so good that he is boring to watch. Like the NFL's Tim Duncan.

Im still a Brady > Manning guy because Manning to me is still to robotish but his skillset is crazy.


IMO Roys Skillset isn't the type of skills Romo likes in a receiver.

We need Reggie Wayne types of receivers here and not your big physical guys who will make plays when covered.

Are you trying to suggest that Roy Williams makes plays "when covered?" Because if you are, then perhaps you should check your facts again. Roy Williams either drops balls, or deflects them for an interception when he is covered.

 

[CATCH17]

Are you trying to suggest that Roy Williams makes plays "when covered?" Because if you are, then perhaps you should check your facts again. Roy Williams either drops balls, or deflects them for an interception when he is covered.

Roy Williams underachieved bigtime this year. But the guy can make plays on passes if given the same opportunities as someone like a Sidney Rice.

But you are 100% correct about everything you said.

 

[Gzus]

RW must earn the trust of Romo, Romo trusted him early and got burned a few times (more than a few times) so he lost faith in Roy's ability to run the right routes, catch the ball, and just plain ole get open. It's on Roy to improve during the offseason and perform better to regain the confidence of Romo, if he does that then he'll have better numbers and a bigger impact next season. It's not Romo's fault RW played like garbage this season; just look at the other players on offense (Austin flourished, Crayton was respectable, and Witten is still money). In the end, Romo played good enough for us to get our first playoff win since '96, RW gets little if any credit for that happening b/c he was so inconsistant. RW has one season to get it in gear or look for Jerry to unload him come the '11 offseason.

 

[birdwells1]

RW must earn the trust of Romo, Romo trusted him early and got burned a few times (more than a few times) so he lost faith in Roy's ability to run the right routes, catch the ball, and just plain ole get open. It's on Roy to improve during the offseason and perform better to regain the confidence of Romo, if he does that then he'll have better numbers and a bigger impact next season. It's not Romo's fault RW played like garbage this season; just look at the other players on offense (Austin flourished, Crayton was respectable, and Witten is still money). In the end, Romo played good enough for us to get our first playoff win since '96, RW gets little if any credit for that happening b/c he was so inconsistant. RW has one season to get it in gear or look for Jerry to unload him come the '11 offseason.

Do we have a year to waste waiting on him to get it in gear because I don't think we get deep in the playoffs without production from that position.

 

[Verdict]

All I'm saying is that RW is better than 3 no catch games and 3 1 catch game that he had this year. Those stats are not indicative of the type of reciever he is. He's not an 80 catch 1300 yrd guy either but to have 6 games with 1 or less receptions is not totally on RW.

All of the people who are saying just throw it to RW11 so he can try to pry it away from the defender should think back to the year before last. Forcing a ball into something that isn't there (think T.O.) is a recipe for disaster. Romo shouldn't have to force the ball to a receiver every time he throw to him.

One more thing .... if you have a guy who drops the ball often, how often are you going to throw to him on 3rd down when you have other guys that make the most of every opportunity they get.

I disagree on comparisons to Keyshawn Johnson. Key was pretty good at possession routes and using his body to sheild the defender off. He was also a pretty precise route runner.

 

[birdwells1]

All of the people who are saying just throw it to RW11 so he can try to pry it away from the defender should think back to the year before last. Forcing a ball into something that isn't there (think T.O.) is a recipe for disaster. Romo shouldn't have to force the ball to a receiver every time he throw to him.

One more thing .... if you have a guy who drops the ball often, how often are you going to throw to him on 3rd down when you have other guys that make the most of every opportunity they get.

I disagree on comparisons to Keyshawn Johnson. Key was pretty good at possession routes and using his body to sheild the defender off. He was also a pretty precise route runner.

Yeah but what's the solution because as of now he's going to be here next year.

 

[Nexx]

Dude, none of the recievers were getting looks in Minny because Romo was being hit 1.5 seconds after the snap!!!


Roy Willams was also among the league leaders in dropped passes. Maybe if he would catch the dam ball, Romo would look for him some more.

among the league leaders in drops and probably the least targeted among #2's in the league. that plays out to a very bad percentage.

 

[DFWJC]

Both Garcon and Collie are better route runners than RW.

 

[JBond]

First, I'll start by saying that I'm no RW fan and have been thoroughly dissapointed with his performance but if he's going to be out there Romo has got to utilize him. If Peyton can trust a rookie (Collie) and a 2nd year guy (Garcon) then I think Romo and Garrett can trust RW. Garcon and Collie had combined for 4 receptions before this year where as RW had numerous NFL receptions. I've said before that RW just didn't forget how to catch the football when he came to Dallas, it more of a confidence issue.

If Peyton would have went into this season saying "I've got two guys I can trust (Wayne and Clark) and that's who I'm going to throw to" they would've been much easier to defend. Peyton started off the year throwing to the two new guys early and often to let defense know that they were going to have to defend the whole field. He also needed to build a rappore with them and build up their confidence. Because he did this during the season it paid dividend in the post season.

It's the QB and OC job to get the ball to all recievers on the field and it's the recievers job to make plays. You can not just blatantly go away from your number 2 wr and expect to be successful in the playoffs. RW needs to regain his confidence but he can't do that without the ball being thrown his way. Romo needs to regain confidence in him but he can't do that without throwing to him.

If RW is every going to resemble the player he was in Detroit, like it or not, it begins with Romo.

So his 43% catch rate has little to do with it? Worst on the team by far and almost worst in the league. But keep chucking it his way I guess. At least 2 of Romo's int's were the direct result of poor play by RW. I don't blame Romo for looking other directions when it matters most.

 

[yimyammer]

I have to throw Garrett in there also. He had to give a green light. The issue with Garrett is that he kept Miles on the bench opposite TO and delayed Miles development a year. He kept Felix on the bench (i.e. only getting his first 10 touch game in the last week of this year). He kept Brad Johnson as the best backup QB option, etc.

I think next year you will see more attention to Austin and we will be looking for a deep threat to get the attention off of him, and since we have RW, Ogletree or a Rookie will be buried.

This is an interesting point. I would love to know how decisions get made within the organization because if Roy was brought in on Garretts request (which is certainly possible) then Garrett is developing a questionable reputation for talent evaluation since it was laso Garrett who told Jerry that Brad Johnson should be the back up QB.

 

[clutch88]

First, I'll start by saying that I'm no RW fan and have been thoroughly dissapointed with his performance but if he's going to be out there Romo has got to utilize him. If Peyton can trust a rookie (Collie) and a 2nd year guy (Garcon) then I think Romo and Garrett can trust RW. Garcon and Collie had combined for 4 receptions before this year where as RW had numerous NFL receptions. I've said before that RW just didn't forget how to catch the football when he came to Dallas, it more of a confidence issue.

If Peyton would have went into this season saying "I've got two guys I can trust (Wayne and Clark) and that's who I'm going to throw to" they would've been much easier to defend. Peyton started off the year throwing to the two new guys early and often to let defense know that they were going to have to defend the whole field. He also needed to build a rappore with them and build up their confidence. Because he did this during the season it paid dividend in the post season.

It's the QB and OC job to get the ball to all recievers on the field and it's the recievers job to make plays. You can not just blatantly go away from your number 2 wr and expect to be successful in the playoffs. RW needs to regain his confidence but he can't do that without the ball being thrown his way. Romo needs to regain confidence in him but he can't do that without throwing to him.

If RW is every going to resemble the player he was in Detroit, like it or not, it begins with Romo.

I agree, but garrett is no sean payton it's just very frustrating watching teams you know we should handle move on each season while we talk about "what if"