PFF grades vs Cincy

[BleedSilverandBlue]

That run stuffer is on the books for $14 million this year and $26 million dollars next year. So, it amazes me how much people will whine and cry about the last 26 years, when they applaud our front office for overpaying a run stuffing only DE. Hell, Taco Charlton was a run stuffer only DE. Would you be okay with the front office paying Taco $26 million dollars next year?

I like DLaw, but I don't like his contract. If Tank is our big money DE, then he needs to be able to do it all, IMO. Because anyone of us can think of about four guys that can come in and be run stuffing DE's. Heck they could have moved Armstrong to left DE and let Fowler play as his opposite. If Tank's run stuffing is so important then why can it easily be replaced?

Demarcus Lawrence is the 25th highest paid player at his position based on annual contract value. Please go find me one of those defensive ends you are talking about that has graded out at top 5 in his position nearly every full season he has played since 2016 and sign him to a contract appreciably less than 13.3 million a year. Additionally DLaw is consistently a top 10 edge player when it comes to pass rush win rate so I would like this hypothetical replacement to also do the same. According to these facts, there is not a single available player that would match DLaw's ability at his current price point.

The agenda you seem to be pushing has little to no foundation in reality. Personally I am not pro or anti DLaw, but I do know a valuable player when I see one and the statistics back up the eye test anywhere you turn.

Lawrence is a very good value on his current contract and resigning him was a very rare prudent move by the front office. Taco Charlton is currently out of the league. Comparing the two is literally impossible. Taco Charlton did nothing well in the NFL and that includes defend the run. Replace Lawrence's snaps with a bum like Taco and see what happens.

 

[black label]

dakss pff would have been trashcan talks 4 sure

 

[buybuydandavis]

Top 5 Offense
1. Terrence Steele 84.1 ( great bounce back game for him)
2. Noah Brown 79.1
3. CD Lamb 78.7
4. Zach Martin 74.0
5. Tyler Smith 73.2
Other Notables

Farniok 33.0 ( worst player on the field for second week in a row.)

Ouch. Low 30s are their way of saying "get Farniok off the field"!

With Steele and Smith playing well, gotta like the potential of the oline when Peters comes on and Farniok comes out.
PFF ranked Biadasz the 13th C in the league. Better than average, and he'd be the weakest link with Peters in.

 

[buybuydandavis]

LVE is having a fantastic year so far, relative to expectations at least. He is positively a bargain at that price point.

LVE was playing at about that level at the end of last year. Huge bargain for us. Don't know what his agent was thinking.

Brown was another big bargain.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I think the plan is to slide Peters in at LT so Tyler Smith can go to LG before Farniok gets someone killed.

Moving Tyler to LG is a sign they're optimistic about Tyron coming back. Otherwise, I'd stick with developing Tyler at LT.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Demarcus Lawrence is the 25th highest paid player at his position based on annual contract value. Please go find me one of those defensive ends you are talking about that has graded out at top 5 in his position nearly every full season he has played since 2016 and sign him to a contract appreciably less than 13.3 million a year. Additionally DLaw is consistently a top 10 edge player when it comes to pass rush win rate so I would like this hypothetical replacement to also do the same.

The agenda you seem to be pushing has little to no foundation in reality. Personally I am not pro or anti DLaw, but I do know a valuable player when I see one and the statistics back up the eye test anywhere you turn.

Lawrence is a very good value on his current contract and resigning him was a very rare prudent move by the front office. Taco Charlton is currently out of the league. Comparing the two is literally impossible. Taco Charlton did nothing well in the NFL and that includes defend the run. Replace Lawrence's snaps with a bum like Taco and see what happens.

He'll stand his ground and stop the run. That was the only thing he was decent at.

Sorry, but I still wouldn't pay a guy 14 million just to be a run stopper no matter what you say.

When Tank was a free agent after his tag, I wanted Dallas to sign Preston Smith and draft Maxx Crosby. Because I knew DLaw's sack numbers had only gone up from him playing selfish football.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

Sorry, but I still wouldn't pay a guy 14 million just to be a run stopper no matter what you say.

You're all over the place right now. I literally just read a post from you stating that if you were GM you would use PFF numbers to determine pay versus play since you're just that cutthroat. You then turn around and think that getting an edge defender (a premium position in the NFL) that grades out as top-5 at his position every single year for 13.3 million dollars a year (25th contract in AAV at his position!) is bad business? Also, the numbers say DLaw is a top-10 pass rush win % player. By all accounts pass rush win % is the overall best metric to measure overall disruptive play in the passing game. The idea DLaw is just a run stopper is a fallacy that is easily debunked by facts.

Of course we would all rather have Preston Smith and Maxx Crosby rather than just DLaw, but NFL front offices don't have crystal balls that allow them to pick every perennial all pro out of every draft and figure out which free agents will pan out.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

You're all over the place right now. I literally just read a post from you stating that if you were GM you would use PFF numbers to determine pay versus play since you're just that cutthroat. You then turn around and think that getting an edge defender (a premium position in the NFL) that grades out as top-5 at his position every single year for 13.3 million dollars a year (25th contract in AAV at his position!) is bad business? Also, the numbers say DLaw is a top-10 pass rush win % player. By all accounts pass rush win % is the overall best metric to measure overall disruptive play in the passing game. The idea DLaw is just a run stopper is a fallacy that is easily debunked by facts.

Of course we would all rather have Preston Smith and Maxx Crosby rather than just DLaw, but NFL front offices don't have crystal balls that allow them to pick every perennial all pro out of every draft and figure out which free agents will pan out.

Yes and if DLaw's PFF grade doesn't meet my measuring stick for the year, I'd be looking to trade him. Same with Zeke. But the killing part about it is I'd let the players know if my intentions. So, if they know their butts are on the line, how much effort do you thing they'll begin to play with?

 

[Buzzbait]

The knock on him has always been pass protection. He is the most polarizing RT in the league b/c of the huge disparity in his pass blocking and run blocking grades. I think he was not open to move inside b/c tackles get paid more.

Of course! I mean heaven only knows it would be terribly unfair for the guy to get paid according to his ability. LOL

 

[Buzzbait]

Farniok played well in the first half, but did not play well in the second. Reader abused him a few times in the second half. I still think he will develop into a good C/G in time.
Hill was only in for 10 plays. Not sure how you can grade a player on just 10 plays.
I agree Cooper rush was at least 10 pts better than they graded him. I am not sure how Hooker got his rating. I don't recall him making any plays but it could be I just missed him.

I don't know what goes into their scoring system, but I assume Diggs got dinged for the receptions to Higgins. Diggs allowed a few of them.

Totally agree with you and the OP concerning the Cooper Rush score. That was a stupid score, Rush played a better game than that.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You're right, he's a one man wrecking crew. Couldn't live without him. Jaylon Smith had a good game or two. I'm hoping we try to draft Hill's replacement this upcoming draft. We need to beef up the interior DL next draft and hopefully we draft someone more talented and consistent than Hill.

Man I think Hill has been replaced. I think he’s a backup here now it seems. If that.

 

[DCreppinBoysfan]

Steele is a athlete for his size. You can tell when he’s having a good game because you see him out and in front of the running play .especially in pulls, abusing some secondary player in the second level. He’s very quick And nimble for his size.

 

[DCreppinBoysfan]

I thought Farniok was solid. Last week Tyler Smith looked better . Dude gets out in space and gets uncoordinated. He also had a couple of holding calls uncalled……I counted at least 3

 

[noshame]

Fowler played very well, for the snaps he was in. That guy has some serious juice in the pass rush. He is a better pass rusher than I thought. He can really help as long as he’s not the main pass rusher for the defense. Paired with DLaw, Parsons, Armstrong, etc., he will have a lot of opportunities.

Quinn will continue to figure out combinations of DL for different situations. The pass rush will continue to improve as the season goes on.

Yea, Quinn has some experimenting still to do but I'm looking to a turnover extravaganza as this defense grows together.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Moving Tyler to LG is a sign they're optimistic about Tyron coming back. Otherwise, I'd stick with developing Tyler at LT.

They have to get farniok out of there. Makes more sense to slide the rookie over.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I think you underestimate the impact Tyler Smith had in this game. Cooper is known for not being aware of the blindside rush and the strip sack. I would put him 3rd on your list.

How could he be "known" for anything? He's got 2 NFL games under his belt and whole bunch of preseason games which don't mean anything.

Tyler played a nice game and he's doing well for a rookie. Thats reflected in his grade.

 

[Cowboyny]

Just for fun. La El was his old self to extremes. He scored a 95.1 in run blocking but a 27.3 (!!) in pass blocking. IMO, he should be moved to G.

Cincy's MVP was DJ Reader (88.0) who benefitted greatly from lining up across from Farniok.

He was the opposite here, much better against the pass then as a run blocker.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Those PFF guys truly don't know how to judge the Oline. They pick favorites and pump them up, but they also are quick to wrongly judge others. Sad thing is many viewers, who don't know (or understand) better, actually fall for their bad judgment.

In this video, it shows how good Farniok actually performed. Farniok is dominant in run blocking. Too bad the video creator never truly mentioned that. There are some explanations on the Oline blocks that the video creator gets wrong, but it's understandable since he clearly never played on the Oline. Overall, Farniok played way much better than he is being given credit for. The film doesn't lie...



If there is one area where Farniok struggled a few times, it was on pass protection. A few times, he either leaned forward too much, thus enabling the opposing big DT to grab Farniok's jersey and pull his upper body down, thus throwing Farniok off balance leaning forward and allowing the DT to grab, pull down and swim past him...or he stood up too tall one 1 or 2 pass protection plays, thus 1 time where the DT drove him back within feet of Cooper Rush. Still, those plays were but a handful of times he got beat. A majority of the time, Farniok did well and improved from Week 1. Remember, both games Farniok was going against Defenses that both reached at least the playoffs conference championship games and one even reached the Super Bowl. These past 2 opposing Defenses are among the league's best, so big kudos to our young and inexperienced Left Guard and Left Tackle for improving each game.

No matter what nerds say on the internet, the Cowboys see how good out 2 young prospects on the left side of our Oline are performing. Expect them to remain our starters on the left side moving forward, and watch how they only are going to keep getting better and better. I've been super hard on Oline Coach Joe Philbin, but he and his assistants are finally doing a very good job building up our Oline with the right young players in place. If they stay healthy, expect this current 5 starting Olinemen to remain our starters and keep getting better and better each week as the season moves along.

Wrong. PFF grades line play extremely well. Their top performers mirror the AP all-pro team. DJ Reader dominated him. Farniok is playing like the inexperienced 7th round pick that he is....... and likely will not be on the field much longer.

 

[Bullflop]

The knock on him has always been pass protection. He is the most polarizing RT in the league b/c of the huge disparity in his pass blocking and run blocking grades. I think he was not open to move inside b/c tackles get paid more.

Yep -- the Bengals wanted La'el, so they'll, maybe, have to take the bad with the good, if La'el isn't willing to move inside. He sucks at pass pro.

 

[atlantacowboy]

He was the opposite here, much better against the pass then as a run blocker.

Not based on any metric you can find. PFF always graded him as an elite run blocker but below average in pass protection. Every year.