News: PFT: Chiefs set to sign TE Gavin Escobar

[robjay04]

If we do feature RBs in the passing game, why did Zeke only get one pass in the playoffs? We get it to WRs and Witten, bout it.

I wish we did get it to Zeke more in the passing game cause we need more of a more diverse and creative offense.

Murray got plenty of passes.

Zeke was still a rookie, he was a very advanced rookie but a rookie nonetheless. He was still pretty deadly in the screen game.

I was rewatching the Cowboys/Lions game last night and our offense is down right deadly as it is. If Dak progresses, as expected, going into his sophomore year and Zeke continues to show the patience he developed towards the end of the season, our offense is going to be fun to watch. Dak also started developing a real chemistry with Dez late in the season which will make our offense so much better.

Our offense is super bowl caliber right now, we don't need to throw more passes to other tight ends to be better...Bease pretty much serves the role as a tight end in this offense. We need to play better defense.

 

[SlammedZero]

Am I the only one kind of glad that we are moving on from a bunch of players this season that never worked out, like Escobar?

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Murray got plenty of passes.

Zeke was still a rookie, he was a very advanced rookie but a rookie nonetheless. He was still pretty deadly in the screen game.

I was rewatching the Cowboys/Lions game last night and our offense is down right deadly as it is. If Dak progresses, as expected, going into his sophomore year and Zeke continues to show the patience he developed towards the end of the season, our offense is going to be fun to watch. Dak also started developing a real chemistry with Dez late in the season which will make our offense so much better.

Our offense is super bowl caliber right now, we don't need to throw more passes to other tight ends to be better...Bease pretty much serves the role as a tight end in this offense. We need to play better defense.

Just cause we need to improve on defense, doesn't mean we can't improve on offense also.

 

[jobberone]

if it takes more than 2 minutes for them to redirect their hate, i'll be disappointed.

LOL. Actually all have been pretty reasonable.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Anybody comparing Escobar to Bennett needs to have his head examined. Bennett can actually block, quite well. And he can also run the necessary routes and make the necessary post-snap adjustments to be a reliable target for a QB. None of those traits can be attributed to Escobar.

 

[gimmesix]

if it takes more than 2 minutes for them to redirect their hate, i'll be disappointed.

I've got my eyes on Heath and Green, but I'm willing to go whichever way the wind blows.

 

[gimmesix]

Anybody comparing Escobar to Bennett needs to have his head examined. Bennett can actually block, quite well. And he can also run the necessary routes and make the necessary post-snap adjustments to be a reliable target for a QB. None of those traits can be attributed to Escobar.

Definitely not the same kind of player. Escobar is going to have to be used as just a receiving tight end and downfield blocker. If his primary duty is blocking ends or linebackers, the Chiefs aren't going to want him on the field, either.

 

[AbeBeta]

There was never any plan to use Escobar primarily as a split-out receiver. He was going to be coming out of the backfield and moving up to the line just as Bennett did and would have to be able to block well enough for Dallas not to need a fullback-type.

I think fans read into Dallas' plans for him what they wanted to see. We were already using a two-tight end set. Escobar was only supposed to be a bigger receiving threat out of it. However, he couldn't do that if he couldn't block, which he couldn't.

Now, I will agree that the plans changed to an extent when we decided to be more balanced on offense because the amount of blocking needed from the second tight end increased. The need for more blocking changed, but the responsibilities of the second tight end didn't.

That's incorrect. The Pats use the 12 to create matchup nightmares as it is used as a passing set. We've always run 12 more commonly as a running set.

We only managed 130 passes targeted to Bennett in his four years. He was on the field a ton. Escobar had 48 passes thrown to him. Over that time Hanna had 35 and Swaim 9.

We explicitly too Escobar because we wanted to be more like the Pats. In just 2013, their murdering 2nd TE was targeted 83 times. Oh yeah, he missed six games. Gronk had 79, in 11 games. The prior year, when both were healthy, Gronk had 124 targets and Hernandez had 79 (in 14 games).

Since 2013, Witten averages 100 targets. Our 2nd TEs get around 20-25 targets.

Clearly these are different roles.

 

[robjay04]

Just cause we need to improve on defense, doesn't mean we can't improve on offense also.

I didn't see we can't do that.

I didn't say we wouldn't do that.

We don't need to force the ball in the hands of a second tight end to improve. We spread the ball around as much as any team in the league and our offense is as efficient as any team in the league.

Even then almighty Patriots struggled to get the ball to both of their tight ends when Gronk was healthy. Yes there offense way back before Hernandez went on a killing spree was lethal but they haven't been able to duplicate it since.

I would rather the ball be in Dez or Zeke's hand than any tight end in the league...I'm sure Bellichick would agree with that.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

I didn't see we can't do that.

I didn't say we wouldn't do that.

We don't need to force the ball in the hands of a second tight end to improve. We spread the ball around as much as any team in the league and our offense is as efficient as any team in the league.

Even then almighty Patriots struggled to get the ball to both of their tight ends when Gronk was healthy. Yes there offense way back before Hernandez went on a killing spree was lethal but they haven't been able to duplicate it since.

I would rather the ball be in Dez or Zeke's hand than any tight end in the league...I'm sure Bellichick would agree with that.

Didn't say we had to force anything, its just good to have more than WRs and Witten as an option. Zeke was underused in the passing game.

We need more options than that, and right now, we don't have any. Heck TWill was #2 and he ain't even that good. Sure we are run first right now, but our passing game is very predictable. We will look at Dez, then Beasley, then Witten. TWill maybe twice a game.

Predictable is my point, although its funny that JG always wants to throw the ball then you can watch the game and see who was the #1 option on that play. Love to not predict a bootleg to the TE, but again, it happens over and over. Of course Swaim is a legend cause he ran that bootleg.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Am I the only one kind of glad that we are moving on from a bunch of players this season that never worked out, like Escobar?

 

[gimmesix]

That's incorrect. The Pats use the 12 to create matchup nightmares as it is used as a passing set. We've always run 12 more commonly as a running set.

We only managed 130 passes targeted to Bennett in his four years. He was on the field a ton. Escobar had 48 passes thrown to him. Over that time Hanna had 35 and Swaim 9.

We explicitly too Escobar because we wanted to be more like the Pats. In just 2013, their murdering 2nd TE was targeted 83 times. Oh yeah, he missed six games. Gronk had 79, in 11 games. The prior year, when both were healthy, Gronk had 124 targets and Hernandez had 79 (in 14 games).

Since 2013, Witten averages 100 targets. Our 2nd TEs get around 20-25 targets.

Clearly these are different roles.

I don't remember us ever committing to being like the Pats in anything other than wanting to commit to two tight ends as the base offense. Bennett was on the field a ton because of this, but despite being a pass-happy offense, we used him primarily as an in-line blocker while Witten was more of the move tight end.

Both Escobar and Bennett were drafted in the second round because of the two-tight end base, not because Garrett was suddenly going to start running New England's offense. He values having a second tight end who is a receiving threat, but if they can't block, they aren't going to play much ... which is why Escobar didn't receive the type of playing time Bennett did.

The Cowboys drafted Escobar hoping he would be good enough as a blocker that they could take advantage of his receiving skills. That was the closest we were ever going to get to being like the Pats.

Anyway, I don't care enough about losing Escobar to continue debating this.

 

[Alexander]

Am I the only one kind of glad that we are moving on from a bunch of players this season that never worked out, like Escobar?

Getting rid of Dunbar was enough for me. Sad but true.

This is just booting another bonus bum off the team.

 

[robjay04]

Didn't say we had to force anything, its just good to have more than WRs and Witten as an option. Zeke was underused in the passing game.

We need more options than that, and right now, we don't have any. Heck TWill was #2 and he ain't even that good. Sure we are run first right now, but our passing game is very predictable. We will look at Dez, then Beasley, then Witten. TWill maybe twice a game.

Predictable is my point, although its funny that JG always wants to throw the ball then you can watch the game and see who was the #1 option on that play. Love to not predict a bootleg to the TE, but again, it happens over and over. Of course Swaim is a legend cause he ran that bootleg.

A lot of offenses are predictable. The 90s Cowboys were very predictable.

TWill is actually a very good receiver 2 considering he is the fourth option on our team.

Regardless, I don't believe our offense is lacking for options. We spread the ball around as well as any team in the league. We only have so many balls to go around.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't remember us ever committing to being like the Pats in anything other than wanting to commit to two tight ends as the base offense. Bennett was on the field a ton because of this, but despite being a pass-happy offense, we used him primarily as an in-line blocker while Witten was more of the move tight end.

Both Escobar and Bennett were drafted in the second round because of the two-tight end base, not because Garrett was suddenly going to start running New England's offense. He values having a second tight end who is a receiving threat, but if they can't block, they aren't going to play much ... which is why Escobar didn't receive the type of playing time Bennett did.

The Cowboys drafted Escobar hoping he would be good enough as a blocker that they could take advantage of his receiving skills. That was the closest we were ever going to get to being like the Pats.

Anyway, I don't care enough about losing Escobar to continue debating this.

You weren't paying attention. We drafted Escobar with a clear intention to move toward the Pats approach.

Are you playing stupid? There are like four million threads of CBZ posts about this

 

[DandyDon52]

If we do feature RBs in the passing game, why did Zeke only get one pass in the playoffs? We get it to WRs and Witten, bout it.

I wish we did get it to Zeke more in the passing game cause we need more of a more diverse and creative offense.

good luck on that happening!

 

[Deep_Freeze]

A lot of offenses are predictable. The 90s Cowboys were very predictable.

TWill is actually a very good receiver 2 considering he is the fourth option on our team.

Regardless, I don't believe our offense is lacking for options. We spread the ball around as well as any team in the league. We only have so many balls to go around.

This ain't the 90s anymore.

If TWill was a good #2, he would force his way into being the #2 option and wouldn't be playing 4th fiddle to Beasley, Witten, and Dez. He's an option behind our #3 WR, really?? If we are going to only throw to WRs and Witten, then TWill should be our #2 option, not 4th.

Witten is 107. Dez has had injury problems lately. Beasley is 4'3". We are in denial about our receiving options being so great. Like TWill's contract, but we can upgrade the position.

 

[iceberg]

LOL. Actually all have been pretty reasonable.

its' the offseason. a new whipping boy will be found when the time is right.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

its' the offseason. a new whipping boy will be found when the time is right.

TCrawford is still on the team, so there you go.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I hope he's the last tight end we ever draft in the second round, especially if we already have a starter.

Rico says we're good there for the next decade