News: PFT: Cowboys growing concerned about Kellen Moore as No. 2 quarterback

[Idgit]

As I pointed out earlier, Romo was found and already developed by Parcell's staff. JG was the beneficiary of that. The main point of the argument is, JG hasn't been successful finding and developing QBs as a OC/HC for the Cowboys.

What you are saying is as ridiculous as someone saying Barry Switzer had a hand in developing Aikman.

You pointed it out, but it's not true. Young QBs develop throughout their careers. As I said, Tony only became a starter in 2006. Garrett arrived in 2007. It's ludicrous to believe Tony didn't learn anything from his OC and offensive HC during the 10 years they worked together.

Similarly, I bet if you asked Troy Aikman, he'd tell you he actually did learn some significant things from Ernie Zampese/Barry Switzer during the time they worked together. Despite the fact that it was is 6th year starting in the NFL and he already had two Superbowls to his name at that point, making your comparison a really bad one.

 

[Corso]

If Albert Einstein had a cannon arm he woulda been Hella QB. But apparently his only physical attribute was the Gene Simmons 'tongue thingy.'

Let us put this thing to bed. The limitations of Moore are obvious and immutable. He will never be reliable to drive the deep out.

Please, let the Cowboys have the foresight to invest in a player with more physical tools but needing education regarding the nuances of the position.

Who is this guy? I like him!

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Romo was picked by Parcells which has nothing to do with JG. Stop trying to spin your blind JG love. I get it. You love JG. You are his biggest fan. You probably still like him and thank him if he hit your mom in the face. But it doesn't change the fact that he hasn't developed any QB on his own until last year when he lucked into one.

Idgit isn't his biggest fan. That would be Hostile.

 

[khiladi]

Because they got lucky with Dak, now you think JG and his staff has been good with evaluating QBs past 10 years. As usual, when it comes to JG, he can do nothing wrong according to you. You probably think JG can walk on water.

Don't mind the Garrett defender... Besides the fact Garrett brought it Cassell just like Kitna as well as Brad Johnson and other 'wily veterans' to run his offense, it also took Jerry years to learn that Jason Garrett was hindering the offense with his play-calling, which is why Garrett eventually demoted him and said he didn't need him on offense and that he can be a walk-around HC. He supposedly was developing QBs while he sucked as an OC... It's a nice theory...

And Dallas actually wanted Connor Cook before Dak, but he got picked up right before Dak and the Cowboys themselves were originally trying to trade up to get him. The Raiders traded up right before their pick to nab him.

 

[khiladi]

I think the reason Moore is here specifically because he's been with Linehan and he knows the playbook going back to the Detroit days. Maybe Linehan likes the fact that he can run it in practice, so the team won't necessarily lose sight on offensive philosophy as long as Moore is there. As far as other QBs, they would be limited.

 

[Zman5]

You pointed it out, but it's not true. Young QBs develop throughout their careers. As I said, Tony only became a starter in 2006. Garrett arrived in 2007. It's ludicrous to believe Tony didn't learn anything from his OC and offensive HC during the 10 years they worked together.

Similarly, I bet if you asked Troy Aikman, he'd tell you he actually did learn some significant things from Ernie Zampese/Barry Switzer during the time they worked together. Despite the fact that it was is 6th year starting in the NFL and he already had two Superbowls to his name at that point, making your comparison a really bad one.

Now I heard everything. The length you'd go to defend JG. Sure Switzer developed Aikman. LOL.

I'm sure Aikman many things to say about Switzer. And I'm sure it's nothing positive. Thanks for a good laugh though.

 

[Zman5]

Idgit isn't his biggest fan. That would be Hostile.

You are probably right. Hostile is not around anymore so I guess Idgit has picked up the torch. I swear Idgit is related to JG the way he go about defending anything JG does.

 

[Dhragon]

According to Micky & Broadass today on Talking Cowboys, Rush was pretty bad in practice with the #2s. Hopefully, he just had a bad practice and will bounce back next practice and earn himself more time in the preseason games.

 

[Redball Express]

They're "growing" concerned? I've been concerned since they started camp.

I've been concerned since they signed Weeden and the dog and pony show of the 2015 QBs.

I don't think Garrett and company know what a backup is..

they do not seem to want a QB who can win but one who is a busdriver.

After being so deep in QBs last year with DAK and Romo..

we are back to fingers crossed our season doesn't crater if DAK goes down.

What stupidity.

 

[Doomsday]

According to Micky & Broadass today on Talking Cowboys, Rush was pretty bad in practice with the #2s. Hopefully, he just had a bad practice and will bounce back next practice and earn himself more time in the preseason games.

Yea, they also talked about the possibility of Dallas going with McCown and Rush which was interesting.

Also in his Scout's Notebook Broadass seemed to have a different take on Rush with the 2s.

We observed Cooper Rush taking some snaps during the blitz period while working with the second offense. In his work, Rush checked the ball down to Darren McFadden with no one open down the field. He delivered a catchable ball inside to Lance Lenoir on a curl route and then threw an outside screen to Brian Brown -- although Anthony Brown beat Chaz Green to the spot for the tackle. It wasn't much, but it was the first time he has received some work ahead of Kellen Moore while at practice.

 

[Idgit]

Now I heard everything. The length you'd go to defend JG. Sure Switzer developed Aikman. LOL.

I'm sure Aikman many things to say about Switzer. And I'm sure it's nothing positive. Thanks for a good laugh though.

You're just twisting what I'm saying, but the point remains, that, despite your terrible example, I do think Aikman would admit he learned stuff from Zampese in year 6 of his career, even after having won 2 Superbowls. That's just the way it works in the NFL. If you have longevity, it's because you're learning and able to compensate for the limitations a long NFL career puts on you.

Regardless, Garrett came to Dallas in Tony's 2nd year as a starter, and there's no serious argument Tony was a finished product after his first year starting in the league.

 

[Zman5]

You're just twisting what I'm saying, but the point remains, that, despite your terrible example, I do think Aikman would admit he learned stuff from Zampese in year 6 of his career, even after having won 2 Superbowls. That's just the way it works in the NFL. If you have longevity, it's because you're learning and able to compensate for the limitations a long NFL career puts on you.

Regardless, Garrett came to Dallas in Tony's 2nd year as a starter, and there's no serious argument Tony was a finished product after his first year starting in the league.

Learning something from someone and getting developed by someone is two different thing. Aikman was already a SB winning 4 year vet and was developed by Jimmie and Norv. Talk about twisting words to make your hero JG look better. Good try but no ones is buying.

 

[Idgit]

Learning something from someone and getting developed by someone is two different thing. Aikman was already a SB winning 4 year vet and was developed by Jimmie and Norv. Talk about twisting words to make your hero JG look better. Good try but no ones is buying.

You've twisted yourself around to the point you're saying what I said earlier.

And I don't know or care who's buying what. I do know Romo benefited from the coaching he got in Dallas after 2006 and that it's reflected in the quality of his play over the course of his career.

 

[Zman5]

You've twisted yourself around to the point you're saying what I said earlier.

And I don't know or care who's buying what. I do know Romo benefited from the coaching he got in Dallas after 2006 and that it's reflected in the quality of his play over the course of his career.

Not even close. You are confusing learning something from a coach and getting developed by a coach. From your logic, John Fox developed Peyton Manning. That's ridiculous. As ridiculous as you saying Switzer developed Aikman and JG developed Romo.

 

[rpntex]

As usual you missed the point when it comes to JG. Put your JG fanboy glasses down and maybe you may understand. The fact remains, JG and the staff were going to start Moore over Dak last year. That tells you that they thought the team had better chance of winning with Moore than Dak. Thank the stars that Moore did have the injury because JG and his staff don't know how to evaluate QBs. Did you already forget about 2015 season? Weedon should have never been kept around for that long.

EVERYONE thought Dallas had a better chance of winning with Moore going into last season. Saying that the coaches felt that way is some sort of indictment of the staff is just ridiculous.

We have no idea what would have played out had Moore remained healthy. In all likelihood, Dak would have gotten his reps with the 2s, and at some point he would have gotten the opportunity to show what he was capable of with the starters. It's well within the realm of possibility to say that he would have supplanted Moore on his own merit before all was said and done.

 

[rpntex]

Not even close. You are confusing learning something from a coach and getting developed by a coach. From your logic, John Fox developed Peyton Manning. That's ridiculous. As ridiculous as you saying Switzer developed Aikman and JG developed Romo.

Uh, when you learn something from a coach, you continue the developmental process. Therefore (by your own words) Romo continued his development under Garrett.

 

[xwalker]

If Albert Einstein had a cannon arm he woulda been Hella QB. But apparently his only physical attribute was the Gene Simmons 'tongue thingy.'

Let us put this thing to bed. The limitations of Moore are obvious and immutable. He will never be reliable to drive the deep out.

Please, let the Cowboys have the foresight to invest in a player with more physical tools but needing education regarding the nuances of the position.

Arm strength really hasn't been the primary problem with Moore.

He has enough arm to be an adequate backup but he does not appear to have some other required traits (quick decisions, accuracy, timing, anticipating when a receiver will be open, etc..).

 

[Bullflop]

Let's face it -- the Cowboys wouldn't appear nearly as concerned about Moore if Cooper Rush hadn't entered the picture. Rush has that irreplaceable advantage of being capable of offering greater production as a backup.

 

[Doomsday101]

You pointed it out, but it's not true. Young QBs develop throughout their careers. As I said, Tony only became a starter in 2006. Garrett arrived in 2007. It's ludicrous to believe Tony didn't learn anything from his OC and offensive HC during the 10 years they worked together.

Similarly, I bet if you asked Troy Aikman, he'd tell you he actually did learn some significant things from Ernie Zampese/Barry Switzer during the time they worked together. Despite the fact that it was is 6th year starting in the NFL and he already had two Superbowls to his name at that point, making your comparison a really bad one.

any credit to Garrett is asking too much for some. In some peoples view Romo was a fully developed QB with no need of coaching once Garrett took over. I just like you know better and 10 years working together and consistent improvement tells me that Garrett and OC as well as QB coach had an impact

 

[Zman5]

Uh, when you learn something from a coach, you continue the developmental process. Therefore (by your own words) Romo continued his development under Garrett.

By that definition, then John Fox developed Peyton Manning and Barry Switzer developed Aikman. Yeh, sure they did.