News: PFT: Cowboys growing concerned about Kellen Moore as No. 2 quarterback

[Idgit]

As I mentioned earlier, I think the best approach right now is to have Rush get the 2nd unit snaps and see how he does. Just based on number clearly Rush is out performing Moore so have them swapping snaps this coming game. Rush takes 2nd unit snaps and Moore 3rd string snaps.

I agree. It sort of doesn't matter in my mind, since I don't think the team goes without a veteran in the QB room this season. Next season, I'd buy it, but this season, I think they really want Moore around for Dak to bounce things off of. And Rush, now, too. Those two young QBs can both learn from Moore, even if he doesn't play.

If they carry 3 QBs, and if Dak gets hurt, I'll be Moore that cleans up the current game, then they'll probably look to see what they have in Rush if Dak's out an extended period of time. At least, that's what I'd do.

Moore's safe unless offensive players at other positions really play so well they force their way on the roster. If you *have* to pick two QBs, and if Rush plays well the next two preseason games like he has so far, you can't let him go. But it's unlikely we won't be able to make a spot for three QBs.

As for this thread topic, my bet is some relatively low-level flunky in the organization told somebody they'd start Rush over Moore, and voila, we have an article topic. I don't believe the team is seriously considering not keeping Moore around at this point. Though, if Rush does get the snaps early in the dress rehearsal game, and if he somehow plays as well as he has so far, all bets on that prediction are off. But those are some pretty big ifs.

 

[Idgit]

How can you call it luck? Moore breaking his leg last year. That's how. Had he not got injured, this coaching staff would have started Moore over Dak and we wouldn't have gotten to see how good Dak was last year.

You can only call it luck if you have an agenda.

Before Dak came about, people were absolutely convinced we didn't have the staff to develop QBs. That was with Tony Romo, and three long-time QBs on the roster. Remember all the Wade-Wilson-can't-coach-because-Tony's-been-the-starter-for-so-long debates?

The reality was, we didn't spend resources on QBs because we had Tony. Now that we've also developed Dak (and don't tell me Dak didn't get better between the draft and the end of the season in Dallas) and have Rush playing well, you can't reasonably cling to an agenda and say it's 'luck' and they just keep getting luckier than everybody else over and over and over. They actually know what they're doing in scouting and developing these QBs.

We also don't know that Dak wouldn't have gotten a shot last year, regardless. It's moot, because he did, but it's entirely possible he'd have gotten his shot all the same. We went through 3 QBs in 2015, by way of most recent example. Typically, if you need a QB and you have one you think can play, you play him. We'd have seen the same thing in cleanup in the preseason we saw, and we'd have been chomping at the bit to try him if Moore played and didn't play well.

 

[Tabascocat]

I can't get over the fact that people keep calling Moore a veteran who is invaluable in the film room. What exactly makes him a seasoned veteran? It is certainly not lead by example.

I have never played in MLB but I know it inside out, does that make me a veteran too?

 

[Idgit]

I can't get over the fact that people keep calling Moore a veteran who is invaluable in the film room. What exactly makes him a seasoned veteran? It is certainly not lead by example.

I have never played in MLB but I know it inside out, does that make me a veteran too?

Because he came into the league in 2012, is going on his 6th season, and has played his entire career in Linehan's offense, and because every report on the guy is that he's a whip-smart coach's son who knows how to win and who's destined to be a QB coach one day when his career is over.

Dak had a lot of good things to say about both he and Sanchez, too, in the QB room last season. And Rush has an interview on DC.com right now where he says what a good QB room they've got and specifically calls out Moore again.

Not exactly a stretch to see why they want him around. And there's no issue with the team actually suggesting Rush is in jeopardy of losing a roster spot after the way he's played the last few weeks. Jerry has pretty much come out and said the opposite. It's only fans gripping about him maybe getting cut and making a deal out of it where none actually exists right now.

Teams don't release rookie QBs with ratings like Rush's so far in preseason. They stash and develop them.

 

[Tabascocat]

Because he came into the league in 2012, is going on his 6th season, and has played his entire career in Linehan's offense, and because every report on the guy is that he's a whip-smart coach's son who knows how to win and who's destined to be a QB coach one day when his career is over.

Dak had a lot of good things to say about both he and Sanchez, too, in the QB room last season. And Rush has an interview on DC.com right now where he says what a good QB room they've got and specifically calls out Moore again.

Not exactly a stretch to see why they want him around. And there's no issue with the team actually suggesting Rush is in jeopardy of losing a roster spot after the way he's played the last few weeks. Jerry has pretty much come out and said the opposite. It's only fans gripping about him maybe getting cut and making a deal out of it where none actually exists right now.

Teams don't release rookie QBs with ratings like Rush's so far in preseason. They stash and develop them.

I get all that but the dude has zero wins in the NFL. If Dallas wants him to coach, fine but it is ridiculous to give him the back-up just because of his knowledge. It does not translate to the field.

I am talking about the veteran angle here, it is not like he was a starter for those past seasons. He has no experience on the field, none....zilch.....nada

 

[Idgit]

I get all that but the dude has zero wins in the NFL. If Dallas wants him to coach, fine but it is ridiculous to give him the back-up just because of his knowledge. It does not translate to the field.

I am talking about the veteran angle here, it is not like he was a starter for those past seasons. He has no experience on the field, none....zilch.....nada

Not, none, but I see what you're saying. For the purposes of having him in the QB room, though, I don't think it matters. Obviously, if it did then somebody like Luke McKown or another retread would have been brought in sooner. I do think they want somebody who knows the offense well on that squad, though. And that makes sense, from a coach's perspective.

I don't see why people care. Carrying 3 QBs is not unheard of in the NFL. With a 2nd year starter and a young developing player showing promise, it makes sense. I'd rather have Moore than a guy like Sanchez who has more starts but who really can't play in that role. It's not going to cost us anything in terms of roster depth. We'll end up trading a TE or cutting a bottom-roster WR to afford the QB spot. That's cheap if we really have found a guy to develop in Rush.

 

[conner01]

Somebody check on Floaty.

Floaty has a better arm than moore

 

[Tabascocat]

Not, none, but I see what you're saying. For the purposes of having him in the QB room, though, I don't think it matters. Obviously, if it did then somebody like Luke McKown or another retread would have been brought in sooner. I do think they want somebody who knows the offense well on that squad, though. And that makes sense, from a coach's perspective.

I don't see why people care. Carrying 3 QBs is not unheard of in the NFL. With a 2nd year starter and a young developing player showing promise, it makes sense. I'd rather have Moore than a guy like Sanchez who has more starts but who really can't play in that role. It's not going to cost us anything in terms of roster depth. We'll end up trading a TE or cutting a bottom-roster WR to afford the QB spot. That's cheap if we really have found a guy to develop in Rush.

Yea, I don't care if we carry three QB's, just don't want to lose Rush in the process.

Besides, you should be thankful I am not bashing Garrett in this thread and advocating for another ginger to stay on the team!

 

[Idgit]

Yea, I don't care if we carry three QB's, just don't want to lose Rush in the process.

Besides, you should be thankful I am not bashing Garrett in this thread and advocating for another ginger to stay on the team!

Ginger's stick to gather. Rush probably came to Dallas because he knew he could look right into the eyes of his head coach and see no soul there, and that was comforting to him.

 

[Zman5]

You can only call it luck if you have an agenda.

Before Dak came about, people were absolutely convinced we didn't have the staff to develop QBs. That was with Tony Romo, and three long-time QBs on the roster. Remember all the Wade-Wilson-can't-coach-because-Tony's-been-the-starter-for-so-long debates?

The reality was, we didn't spend resources on QBs because we had Tony. Now that we've also developed Dak (and don't tell me Dak didn't get better between the draft and the end of the season in Dallas) and have Rush playing well, you can't reasonably cling to an agenda and say it's 'luck' and they just keep getting luckier than everybody else over and over and over. They actually know what they're doing in scouting and developing these QBs.

We also don't know that Dak wouldn't have gotten a shot last year, regardless. It's moot, because he did, but it's entirely possible he'd have gotten his shot all the same. We went through 3 QBs in 2015, by way of most recent example. Typically, if you need a QB and you have one you think can play, you play him. We'd have seen the same thing in cleanup in the preseason we saw, and we'd have been chomping at the bit to try him if Moore played and didn't play well.

As usual you missed the point when it comes to JG. Put your JG fanboy glasses down and maybe you may understand. The fact remains, JG and the staff were going to start Moore over Dak last year. That tells you that they thought the team had better chance of winning with Moore than Dak. Thank the stars that Moore did have the injury because JG and his staff don't know how to evaluate QBs. Did you already forget about 2015 season? Weedon should have never been kept around for that long.

 

[MrPeanutbutter]

Good to know the FO is watching the same games we are.

 

[Garrettop]

As usual you missed the point when it comes to JG. Put your JG fanboy glasses down and maybe you may understand. The fact remains, JG and the staff were going to start Moore over Dak last year. That tells you that they thought the team had better chance of winning with Moore than Dak. Thank the stars that Moore did have the injury because JG and his staff don't know how to evaluate QBs. Did you already forget about 2015 season? Weedon should have never been kept around for that long.

Don't forget Dak was a "poor practicer". The coaches had to balance that sample with the gameday sample. When you're on a potential "hotseat", which everyone said Garrett was (and if the HC is on the hotseat, so are the coordinators), you can't blame them for staying conservative in the lineup.

 

[landroverking]

If we keep three Moore needs to be #3.

 

[Idgit]

....The fact remains, JG and the staff were going to start Moore over Dak last year.....Did you already forget about 2015 season? Weedon should have never been kept around for that long.

That's not a fact at all. Moore broke his ankle on August 3rd last year. Week one of the preseason was on August 13th last year. You think there's zero chance with the way Dak played in the preseason that he doesn't beat out Moore? Yeah, nobody does.

And I'll just point out again that the guy I've had 'blinders on' about has turned in 12-4, 13-3 and won an NFL CotY award in two of the last three seasons. And that nobody but the hardest agenda-grinders blame the head coach for 2015.

The *only* legit criticism of Garrett's teams left is that they haven't won more postseason games yet. And I think we all have a sense that that's about to change here in the next few years, too. Then it'll be like when I had the Terrence Newman fanboy glasses on everybody but me could see that his career was done when he left Dallas.

Sorry, Zman. I'm not a fanboy. I call it like I see it like the rest of you guys. And I generally take more heat for it because a lot of times the things I'm calling aren't negative. The only real difference is, when I call something, I'm usually right.

 

[Zman5]

That's not a fact at all. Moore broke his ankle on August 3rd last year. Week one of the preseason was on August 13th last year. You think there's zero chance with the way Dak played in the preseason that he doesn't beat out Moore? Yeah, nobody does.

And I'll just point out again that the guy I've had 'blinders on' about has turned in 12-4, 13-3 and won an NFL CotY award in two of the last three seasons. And that nobody but the hardest agenda-grinders blame the head coach for 2015.

The *only* legit criticism of Garrett's teams left is that they haven't won more postseason games yet. And I think we all have a sense that that's about to change here in the next few years, too. Then it'll be like when I had the Terrence Newman fanboy glasses on everybody but me could see that his career was done when he left Dallas.

Sorry, Zman. I'm not a fanboy. I call it like I see it like the rest of you guys. And I generally take more heat for it because a lot of times the things I'm calling aren't negative. The only real difference is, when I call something, I'm usually right.

Dak would have not got the same chances he'd gotten to show he is the better QB because they would have penciled in Moore as the QB2. And same crap they are saying about Moore vs Rush this year would have been said last year. Obviously their QB evaluation process sucks since they keep thinking guys like Moore and Weedon are capable NLF QBs.

 

[erod]

They'll keep Rush at the No.3. But they might keep McCown as the No. 2 instead of Moore.

 

[Plankton]

Floaty has a better arm than moore

The drummer from Def Leppard had a better arm than Kellen Moore.

 

[Idgit]

Dak would have not got the same chances he'd gotten to show he is the better QB because they would have penciled in Moore as the QB2. And same crap they are saying about Moore vs Rush this year would have been said last year. Obviously their QB evaluation process sucks since they keep thinking guys like Moore and Weedon are capable NLF QBs.

Lol! Yes, the QB evaluation process in Dallas sucks. Which is why we've had Tony Romo and Dak Prescott in the role back-to-back, having spent a low 4th round pick, total, on the two of them. And now it looks like we might have found a third potential QB to back up Dak, also as an UDFA.

And your argument? You're basing it on a guess that Dak would not have surpassed Kellen Moore in the preseason last year, even after going 39/50 for 454, 7 TDs, 0 fumbles, 0 interceptions, and a 137.8 rating.

Right, we suck at evaluating QBs because one time we had Brandon Weeden as a backup. That makes perfect sense. Meanwhile, did our third string rookie UDFA QB outperform Carson Wentz again this week? I haven't checked yet.

 

[Alexander]

Tease, tease, tease.

 

[Idgit]

Tease, tease, tease.

Lol.