News: PFT: Dak Prescott holds the cards in contract talks with Cowboys

CowboyoWales

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On the field Dak has been a top 10 quarterback. The reality is he had two bad games against San Francisco’s defense now the haters think he sucks. Neither Stafford or Hurts was impressive against the 49ers either.
There's the same rhetoric, to anyone that points out a concern = 'hater'. Back at you saying, there appears a distinct issue with his ability to step up when he's needed most.... a QB that fails repeatedly in play-off games in hurry up situations when the team needs him to orchestrate a game winning TD....may not be the QB that'll win Championships.
 

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The point he turned down an offer to become the highest paid player in the league is when the Cowboys should have instantly decided to walk away. Instead it's been a series of one bad decision after another and look where that has got us now - facing a $60M cap hit next year on a QB that can't win a super bowl. There's dumb, then there is really dumb. We are in the thick of really dumb right now.
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Had you posted 3 minutes earlier, THIS would have been the thought of the week.
 

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Maybe we should just blow up the roster it took years to build, win like two games and end up drafting a guy like Zack Wilson.

Then we can fight to pay 60 million a year to the next hired gun who plays into his 40s.

Dak frustrates me as well at the worst times, but they are close enough with him where it makes sense to stay the course.

We aren’t stuck in mediocrity…they have been good under MM w a healthy Dak…we just need to find a way to stop being outcoached/executed by San Francisco when it counts most.
It's more likely that you blow up the roster if we do extend Dak....losing Steele, Biadasz for a start.
You've already quantified your position with 'healthy' Dak. A healthy Dak that would be under contract for 5/6 years!!!
The option of drafting a QB, and saving $34m CAP space actually keeps the roster in place into which you fit the rookie (a bit like 2016).
 

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He has bad games against almost every above average team.
You could take the Eagles out of that equation...however... even in that game he wasn't relied upon (pressurised) into getting a late, end of game winning TD, which I maintain is his real weakness.
 

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He has bad games against almost every above average team.
See that is the problem with Dak haters you dwell on the negatives. In 2021 he threw for 37 touchdowns and was in the MVP running until he was injured. You guys only remember the 49ers playoff game and change the goal posts. Last season Dak led the league in picks. You guys won’t let us forget it but then don’t say a word about when Dak played last season the Cowboys had the second best offense in football. The one that gets me is he destroyed the GOAT in a game no one thought we would win and he set playoff records. You all go hide in your holes then jump out like roaches after the 49ers loss. You all have made up your minds. It is what it is.
 

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See that is the problem with Dak haters you dwell on the negatives.
So we just ignore the negatives??? Yes Dak can be outstanding, especially with a lead, but he's tending to repeatedly struggle when chasing a game vrs better defenses.
You guys won’t let us forget it but then don’t say a word about when Dak played last season the Cowboys had the second best offense in football.
What's the point of having that 'second best offense' if it repeatedly shows it cant come back from a 7 deficit late on in games. The fact Dak can do it in games such as the Bucc's highlights the struggles in hurry-up, pressure scenario's (9ers x2)........and it's virtually impossible to get to a SB without experiencing and overcoming a situation that you need to dig in and come back.

That's my major concern with Dak.....he's never shown the ability to step up when he's counted upon....maybe a different OC and scheme will help, but until it does call me a sceptic.
 

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If he can’t take a step forward this year and stop throwing ints in critical games, I wouldn’t sign him again for top dollar. If he wouldn’t accept a deal that paid him according to where he stacks up which is top 10 at best, then next draft and free agency period would be all about finding another QB. No way I’d set the market with him again unless he made it a no brainer. Not going on hope again. I know they won’t do this but I’m getting a little tired of them finding QBs on the cheap and then paying them top money just because they are better than average.
 

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It's more likely that you blow up the roster if we do extend Dak....losing Steele, Biadasz for a start.
You've already quantified your position with 'healthy' Dak. A healthy Dak that would be under contract for 5/6 years!!!
The option of drafting a QB, and saving $34m CAP space actually keeps the roster in place into which you fit the rookie (a bit like 2016).
The “healthy” comment was about how they have been good since MM has been here, other than when Dak was lost for the season in 2020, and a lot of that was about the Nolan defense.

You want to keep the roster together, then you aren’t a 15 loss team that has a shot at a top pick. Even those don’t always pan out, hence the Wilson reference.

Maybe if we blew it all up and tanked on purpose we could be in line to draft a Winston or Mariota. Maybe a Goff or Wentz.

See where I’m going?

You’d be more in line to draft the next Jake Locker. I don’t see how that makes things better than they currently are.

Dak can be frustrating, and make some serious blunders in big spots, but it’s ridiculously difficult to snap your fingers and find something better with a mid to late first round draft pick. There’s a list of total failures a mile long.

This is about as moot as it gets, because Jerry isn’t going QB hunting at age 81, and they are close enough all around where it makes full sense to try to win with Dak instead of blowing it up, or thinking a rookie is going to be much better.
 

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Maybe if we blew it all up and tanked on purpose we could be in line to draft a Winston or Mariota. Maybe a Goff or Wentz.

See where I’m going?
I thought McClay and our ability to draft was the strong point of the organization?? Interesting that you use those 4 QB's, each one was drafted by a losing franchise.....see where im going?
Dak can be frustrating, and make some serious blunders in big spots, but it’s ridiculously difficult to snap your fingers and find something better with a mid to late first round draft pick. There’s a list of total failures a mile long.
I think, that below average UDFA that went 4-1, kind of indicates how a good team can help even the most challenged of QB's.
This is about as moot as it gets, because Jerry isn’t going QB hunting at age 81, and they are close enough all around where it makes full sense to try to win with Dak instead of blowing it up, or thinking a rookie is going to be much better.
Again it's not blowing it up......

Give me an idea of what the extensions going to look like?
 

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if he cannot take the team to a CCG at least. let him walk and draft a veteran or a college QB. 9 years is way more than enough evidence that dak is not the right QB to win a SB.
 

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I thought McClay and our ability to draft was the strong point of the organization?? Interesting that you use those 4 QB's, each one was drafted by a losing franchise.....see where im going?

I think, that below average UDFA that went 4-1, kind of indicates how a good team can help even the most challenged of QB's.

Again it's not blowing it up......

Give me an idea of what the extensions going to look like?
Maybe ask Colts fans what it’s like to have a nice defense and no QB. That window closed pretty quickly and they are still trying to figure it out.

You want a bus driver on a rookie deal and spend the savings elsewhere, when this league is all about QB play? How is that guaranteed to make things better overall? There are dozens and dozens of examples of high drafted QBs who have failed. Then what?

It’s honestly not worth debating. It has that little chance of happening. Way better off taking another few shots with Prescott first, but you don’t seem to agree and that’s ok. I don’t begrudge your opinion.
 

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Maybe ask Colts fans what it’s like to have a nice defense and no QB. That window closed pretty quickly and they are still trying to figure it out.

You want a bus driver on a rookie deal and spend the savings elsewhere, when this league is all about QB play? How is that guaranteed to make things better overall? There are dozens and dozens of examples of high drafted QBs who have failed. Then what?

It’s honestly not worth debating. It has that little chance of happening. Way better off taking another few shots with Prescott first, but you don’t seem to agree and that’s ok. I don’t begrudge your opinion.
Nothing of what you say justifies paying a QB that appears to be lacking in what it takes to achieve what we want.

The difference is that you appear to have the subjectivity of 'extend Dak regardless', me, I want him to prove that he's got the ability to show he's got the composure and ability to step when it matters. This QB league you were referring to is a league where the QB is expected to lead (EVEN IN ADVERSITY).
 

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Way better off taking another few shots with Prescott first, but you don’t seem to agree and that’s ok. I don’t begrudge your opinion.
Actually I do agree about giving him a shot, however, its a ONE YEAR SHOT - 2023. If he goes into 2024 without a decision being made he's costing $59m + the remaining Void Years ($36M) gets added to the 2024 CAP figure.
 

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Nothing of what you say justifies paying a QB that appears to be lacking in what it takes to achieve what we want.

The difference is that you appear to have the subjectivity of 'extend Dak regardless', me, I want him to prove that he's got the ability to show he's got the composure and ability to step when it matters. This QB league you were referring to is a league where the QB is expected to lead (EVEN IN ADVERSITY).
This comment has merit, the problem is which QB's have shown it at that stage? Mahomes for sure, Burrow ok yes i think so..other than that what QB has over come huge team adversity and won a Championship game wont even include the SB because then its just Mahomes really.
 

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On the field Dak has been a top 10 quarterback. The reality is he had two bad games against San Francisco’s defense now the haters think he sucks. Neither Stafford or Hurts was impressive against the 49ers either.
He has yet to have a good game in the divisional round, thus he hasn't even played in a conference championship.

It isn't that he "sucks" it's that he can't stay consistent long enough to get through the playoff grind.
 

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The Cowboys already screwed this up royally when they agreed to essentially a 4 year deal last time. But compounded the problem when they restructured his deal this year moving $36 million into 2025, a voided year in Dak's contract. When they did that they basically boxed themselves into another contract with Dak.

If Dak does not have a good year this year the Cowboys are in trouble because they really cannot cut him loose without taking a major hit to their roster. Some of their top players will have to go, which may be the case anyway. But dumping salaries for a couple of bad years that follow - and some high draft picks - doesn't have to mean long term mediocrity. Maybe having a 2-15 year nets them a true franchise QB in the draft in a couple of years.
They'd be better off letting the contract expire after 2024.

Dak will bleed them dry.

Draft a QB and roll.
 
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